So much of sports is timing and opportunity. Rodgers wasn't ready and Smith probably wasn't either in their first year. Smith was thrown into the fire while Rodgers sat behind Favre.

I don't believe that you need a "franchise QB" to win it all these days, but it does make it so much easier. If you don't have that franchise guy, he better be someone who doesn't make mistakes and has another part of the team that can make up the difference. Brees, Brady and Rodgers all have sub par defenses that take a lot of chances because they know if they fail, the QB will bail them out. The league is set up for offenses to move the ball down the field. Those teams look for the turnover. They believe their offense can outscore you. Its going to take a win by SF or Balt to reverse that trend.

Actually, I believe it is his complete hatred of SF showing more than anything.

That playoff loss had nothing to do with Trent Green's performance on the field. A QB shouldn't HAVE to score a TD on every single drive to stand a chance. That version of Trent Green with next years offense (return of Charles and improved line) would be a legit playoff contender.

I think we know where the supidity and fail comes from.

Have you tried Pamprin for your menstrual cycle?

How can anyone hate San Fran. anymore?


They have sucked for a long time.

Alex Smith could be this year's Trent Dilfer.

No.

5 turnovers, the 9ers should have won that game by 20 points.

Alex Smith is why the game was so close, he made some good plays when he had to, but shit himself consistently in the 2nd, 3rd, and most of the 4th quarter.

However, they pretty much abandoned the run so their playcalling was predictable at best during those periods.
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Yes, because Dilfer led the team back twice in the final minutes of a football game ever.

I'm kind of conflicted on this one. People act like he's some throwaway guy... he was the #1 overall pick in the draft. He has talent. That said, he does panic sometimes. I wouldn't put money on him to win a Super Bowl yet... but he made all the clutch plays yesterday. And he outdueled Drew Brees in a season where Drew Brees put up some of the best QB numbers in the entire history of football. Pretty tough.

Not the point I'm making. Until Saturday Smith has always been a game manager in the league as was Dilfer. Both guys have (especially this year) had the opportunity to play with a great defense with a pretty solid run game.

Smith played great yesterday and has all of the tools to be a pretty good QB.

I guess time will tell.

Can't argue with that statement. 49ers were coached up, with the building blocks of talent, to becoming a complete team. Clutch (end of game, as some define it) plays made a big diff against a team favored to play for the NFCC.

As I said earliier, this game was a marker.

It could well be his signature moment that gives him the confidence he needs to play to his draft potential moving forward.

He is not, at this moment in time, a franchise QB.

He has now shown the ability to make big plays in big moments, and that could well signal the start of his career as a franchise QB.

Time will tell.

Let's trade for Collin Kapernick!

yes, coaching makes a difference.

If you make the measuring stick that would you want him starting for your team, I can't say that I saw a lot yesterday that would make me want him. There was a lot of the game where he was just very average, or even below average.

niners were a rudderless, directionless, horrible franchise a year ago with a bust QB. Harbaugh has done an amazing job. The right HC is everything in the NFL.
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I'd bet any amount of money Alex Smith never returns to the NFC Championship.

You don't have any money, Clay.

I'd bet any amount of my mom's money.

Yes he is. Boom! /thread

I was gonna bump this thread too.

This board has a history of overreacting.

Smith totally shit the bed yesterday. He's a bust. Always has been, always will be. 1 game against the Saints doesn't erase that.

Dumbasses.

Less than 50% passing in the game yesterday. That doesn't spell franchise. Harbaugh has micro managed him.

I DO however love that Alex does his post game press conferences in a mechanics tshirt with his name on it, lol.

I disagree and I think he can be a franchise QB. Yesterday was not his best game, but his receiving corps outside of Vernon Davis is horrible at best. Plus the weather did not help. The Giants consistently rushed 3 or 4 and dropped everyone else back into coverage and his receivers could not get open. This place has defended "other" QBs for lack of a receiving corps, but say Smith is a bust when he has a worse one than we had three years ago?

The Giants front 4 will make almost any QB look bad.

We will see how well Brady does.

Kyle Williams doesn't botch 2 punts, and he's probably in the Super Bowl. For an early 1st round pick, Crabtree is a bust.

Eventually Kaepernick will get his shot with that team, and I have no doubt that he could play better.

Hell yeah he is.

It's a shame we dont get to see the routes down the field, but when they did show him trying to get open, jesus it was ugly. His route running did not look NFL caliber from what I saw last night.

No...Alex Smith is not a franchise QB

It's funny to see the similarities and differences with Smith and TT...

Smith has a great TE, pass catching RB and defense... wretched WRs.
TT has no real TE, good RB and defense ... solid and improving WRs.

Both QBs need what the other has to really become successful. Neither is close to being a franchise QB at this point.

Shut up.

Tebow is your franchise QB.

he's won more playoff game than we'll ever win

JFC that doesn't make him a franchise QB.

and no, he's never going to be one. The guy is Matt Cassel. Period.

Well, there is a difference in being the team's starting QB and being a 'franchise' caliber QB. TT has a bit of work to do this off-season and the team has some areas to beef up as well.

So, other QB's get excuses, but not ones that play for the Chiefs. Got it. Smith wasn't THE reason they lost, but yes he was part of the problem. They had multiple chances to drive down and win the game and didn't get it done. Simple as that.

Way to stay on track with the topic.

Matt Cassel leads two monster drives to beat the Saints in the playoffs... :spock:

No.

He does usually play well against shit defenses...

He is 9ers "franchise" QB, but I wouldn't call him elite. He still gives them opportunity for a chance to go to the show he is just growing up late and time is running out. I won't say he can or will get the job done but they are better shape with him than we are with Cassel.

Two drives against blown coverages doesn't mean shit. The only reason anyone even noticed is because it was in a playoff game. The guy is a bust. He totally shit his pants last night. Does that not count either?

Buffalo. Detriot. Oakland.

He shit his pants while throwing 2 TD's in a shower?

Take away the 2 idiot fumbles from the same idiot on ST and the 49ers likely win that game.

Are you ****ing serious? Did you watch the game?

I did watch the game. Did you?

He had some bad throws but he was mostly running for his life the whole game and he put his team in a position to get to the SB. It's not his fault they lost the game.

12/26 for 196 yards and like 1-12 on third down conversions.

Yes he was a big reason why they lost the game.

He may or may not be a franchise QB, I'm still not sure I would be content with him as our starting QB.

I said usually. Haley's braindead offseason program doomed this team at the start. See I can make excuses too!!

His 15 minutes of fame was this year. I don't think they'll repeat what they did, that defense was lights out. His season wasn't that all impressive, IMO. He is nowhere near a franchise QB. When he can pick apart a GOOD defense, ala Brady, Brees, Rodgers, then he deserves his own thread.

Sure thing.

Keep believing that.

Alex Smith "fumbled" the punt when it was 14-10 giving Manning a short field to work with and take the lead 17-14.

Alex Smith didn't come right back with a quick drive to tie the game at 17-17.

Alex Smith fumbled the game away in OT.

That's the big one right there and a big test of a QB's merit.

Name someone besides Vernon Davis on SF that is a legit receiving threat.

End of thread.

Based on what? Two drives against a defense that blew assignments?

Smith is terrible. He was terrible last night. They didn't convert a third down until when in the game? That's the plays a QB makes that win games. He outside of the 1 throw to Davis he did nothing the entire night.

Jesus you guys have issues.

Your hate is seething out of you and it looks unbearably disgusting.

There is no hate required to see that Alex Smith sucks and has for 6 years. He's a total bust and I will bump this thread in a couple of years when he's either out of the league or a backup somewhere.

Alex Smith has sucked since being the #1 overall pick in 2005.

Harbaugh did an amazing job with him. I use to think he was Cassel part 2. However, I watch a lot of 49er games, and he made a lot of throws this year that Cassel just cannot make. I also think that Harbaugh has helped him read defensive coverages and make adjustments he never could do prior to this year and that helped them get as far as they got this year. He doesn't suck as much as Cassel, but isn't quite as good as Flacco either.

But I think Smith has hit his ceiling this year. He was actually 1-13 on 3rd down and the one didn't come until the end of regulation. He had 1 pass to a WR for 3 yards.

Sure, you can give him a lot of excuses, but Eli didn't have much problem throwing in the rain while also getting his ass kicked 20 different times.

Dispite everything they still had a big chance to win it, take away the 2 fumbles, or get the fumble that Bradshaw sure seemed to lose, or one of the INT's the 49ers ran into eachother trying to get.

But ultimately, if the teams switched QB's there would be no doubt the best QB would still win.

Smith did what Cassel did in 2010. The only difference is that the SF defense is flat out incredible. They put a beating on Eli like I've rarely seen. Props to Eli for taking that beating like a man and pulling out the win.

The 49ers set team records in FG attempts and FG's and were balls in the redzone all year. Smith threw 17 TD's and threw fewer than 500 passes.

Gratz to Smith for having the game of his life against Drew Brees. He won't do it again.

Agreed. I gained a lot of respect for Eli hanging in that pocket knowing he would get hammered for the 20th time.

49er defense was lights out against NO. Who doesn't win a game while getting 5 turnovers? Of course Brees was the main factor in being in that game, but Dick Vermeil would be happy to tell you it is just about impossible to lose a game while getting 5 turnovers at home.

Based on his play, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be content with him as our QB. You want him as our QB now?

morphius
getting confused.

Yes, until he gets beat out by Kaep or Tolzein when either of them is ready to go. Smith showed a lot this year with Harbaugh's system. Even with the lockout. This offseason should be extremely helpful to him

Dude has turned into a "playa"

The impact of a Head Coach. Harbaugh has completely turned the franchise around

yep, coaching can dramatically effect the QB position

I would give my left nut for a Coach like Harbaugh....

My god, to have a young passionate coach that you can build a franchise and Franchise QB around...

Dreamy....

Yet we keep rehashing the NFL reeruns...

Quinn or Stanzi still have a chance.

If only the Chiefs had given Todd Blackledge that long to develop, history might be different. They might have picked several 1st round QBs by now.

OH JOY! I look forward to those days. :banghead:

You know how I know you're gay?

Yeah I am gay for building a yearly contender with a NFL coaching staff...

This is indeed overreaction Monday. Alex Smith? LMAO

Maybe so. Just not sure I would have used the adjective "dreamy" is all.

maybe this Niners win proves that GB still has a pretty mediocre defense? I didn't watch the game but it sure seems that way given the fact that the Niners aren't known for their offense.

At this point, it was the best I can come up with.

Would love to have the feeling on sundays when the Chiefs were playing for something meaningful.

Or have the ability to be competitive... Shit since Vermiel left, every sunday has been like the last... Its tiring.

I'm picking up what you're putting down.

"Dreamy" made me chuckle though.

Youre welcome....

stanzi is history....he is just hanging out on the sideline

I had hoped Haley would be that young passionate guy, but he sucked too. I think the Chiefs are ****ing cursed. Maybe it is just me. God ****ing hates me.

I don't know what to think about Alex Smith other than good for him & his coaches to stick with him. Kudos.

I remember his rookie year comming here and we crushed the 9ers 41 to 0 & Hutard was our QB. Now they are continders and we are happless wondering what to do on offense and defense fooling ourselves that we are better than we are and with casshole at QB.


Maybe it shows drafting a QB allows to build a time frame to build a team that can be in Super Bowl contintion?

Fun thread to revisit. This was created after the Saints playoff game last year.