The rule with Ricky Williams and Hershal Walker trades is never give up everything for a complimentary player.

Either of those trades would have been good if they had landed a franchise quarterback.

Everyone seems to assume this is the case. While I don't have enough insider info to say this with any confidence for each franchise listed above, I don't believe for a second each front office with these teams will all of a sudden decide that they HAVE to have a QB in the first round and trade the farm to get it. MANY GM's have the same mentality as Carl/Pioli. We should not play down the capacity of most teams to under-value the QB position like us. After all, there's a reason each of those teams suck. We wouldn't necessarily be bidding against more than one other team, I'm guessing...unless everyone has an epiphany at the same time.

I say all this and firmly believe that we won't trade the farm for a franchise QB either...so it's all moot to me. The Rams will get Blackmon at 2 and we'll see what happens from there.

I would rather our team do their homework and find a good QB in the draft like the Bengles were able to do without giving away our future.

I would also hope our GM would be way more savy and experienced than the Bungles.

I realize that franchise qbs are worth more than basically any other player on the team. But for **** sake, the Chiefs are a franchise quarterback away from being contenders with the team they have on the field right now.


Trade the whole damn draft if you have to. Trade 3 firsts and 3 2nds if you have to.

Because you made posts like:


And many more.


And you know this how? We never knew that Pioli and Haley had personal problems until he was fired.

Like everyone else though, 20 years is too long for a playoff win, and 40 years is too long for a SB win, so do whatever to make it happen! Whatever you have to do to get it done, be like Nike, and just do it!

We trade Bowe to the Lambs for RGIII and I'll find out where you live and kill you in your sleep...

If Pioli suggests trading 3 1st
he should be fired on the spot

This.

Essentially you are trading 2 firsts, because you get one for the Luck pick.


Look at are last say 5 first round picks. Any of them more valuable to the Chiefs than what Peyton Manning was or is to the Colts.

And what's the probability of KC being in position to grab one of them? I don't think Cassel is great, but this team is likely good enou to finish anywhere between 6-10 and 10-6 with him.

If Luck is truly can't miss, then 3 first rounders is a steal. Year 4 he is in his prime, and our picks are restored. He is a top tier QB for a decade after that.

That, of course is discounting the fact that you can't find good talent in later rounds or free agency, which you can. Besides, you're assuming that Pioli will hit on Pro Bowlers with the first rounders he trades. He could just as easily turn them into Tyson Jackson's.

3 #1's and some more for Luck? Pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

For RG3? Probably.

For Luck?

I'd stand and applaud.

Thank god you don't run the Chiefs. It would be another 40 years until we sniff a Super Bowl.

The league was a running back league when the Walker trade was made and only slightly less so when Williams came out. Neither one worked for the team that got the player, but it won a Super Bowl for the Cowboys getting all those picks.

Pioli's contract only covers 2012 & 2013 drafts
work with that & players or not at all

Thank god you don't or we'd never be there. Trading 3 first round picks is giving away 3 starters on your team. To get starters you then have to go FA route, which these days is a market that seems to be drying up.

Wait... Why?

I love Bowe, as my name sort of indicates, but a franchize QB would be pretty ****ing awesome to have. More so than an awesome WR.

And teams with the Staubachs, Bradshaws, Montanas and Aikmans, before and after those trades were the teams winning SBs.

RBs were more valued then than now, but this has never been a RB league.

It`s also my opinion that if this team had a franchise QB, with the return of Berry, Charles and Moeaki, the Chiefs would be contending as soon as next year and even if Richardson and Lilja were still starting.

Forget about 2013, it`s really now or never and yeah, trade what`s absolutely necessary for Luck or Griffin.

I would give A LOT to get Luck or Griffin.

More Chiefs fans should forget about the few exceptions in history where an average QB has won a superbowl with an elite defense and running game and realize, the very starting point to have a chance to win it all is to have an above-average QB.

The Patriot way: draft Brady and enjoy the ride.

The Bill Polian way: draft Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning and enjoy the ride.

The Steeler way: draft Big Ben and enjoy the ride.

The Packer way: draft Favre and Rodgers and enjoy the ride.

The Bronco way: draft Elway and enjoy the ride.

The 49er way: draft Montana, trade for Yonug and enjoy the ride.

Get the picture?

So using that logic, the Colts should absolutely grab the 3 first rounders and pass on Luck? Don't you think what they went through this year flies in the face of that logic?

I'll ask this name the teams that have been SB contenders for the past say 5 years. Name their qbs.

SB contenders? or teams in the SB.

Contenders year in year out.


Patriots = Brady
Colts= Manning
Steelers= Big Ben
Saints= Brees
Pack= A. Rog
Giants= Manning

The only team that is year in year out contender that doesn't have a franchise guy is the Ravens. And they have always been that much short of it.

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The Chiefs should trade for Drew Brees. They could offer Cassel and something. Yeah.

I'm all for trading draft picks, but not for other draft picks. I want to trade for known commodities. I'd trade a 1st for Manning in a heart beat, even if he could only give us 2-3 years of 80% his old self, ala Montana.

Don't forget the Cowboys way:draft Aikman and enjoy the ride.

OK

Which one of those teams traded multiple first round draft picks to get them? Apples and oranges.

KC hasn't started a rookie QB in what, 30 years? One AFC championship game during that time ( with a HOF QB BTW). Its time to change the thinking around One Arrowhead Drive and take some risks.

None they all got to the point where they sucked bad enough to get a top pick.

Not entirely. More like Johnny gold and Macintosh.

Not if they believe that Luck is the guy. I would challenge anyone to find an instance of a team trading multiple firsts for one player and having it work out.

You are putting a false label on the league based on the actions of two dumbass franchises.

I would challenge you to find me a team that wins SB's these days with the Matt Cassels of the league.

It's time for the Chiefs to get serious and go get a franchise quarterback. We have went hte other route for 40 years. We know that doesn't work.

We'll it hasnt happened a lot for a QB because teams at the top of the draft usually need a QB and won't trade. (which supports my argument).

Why, exactly?? RG3 is more valuable than Bowe. Plus we have Baldwin and Breaston signed...so I'm not sure why we have to have an all-world receiving group (which we don't, anyway) with no QB.

I would gladly package Bowe with picks to get RG3.

This team doesn't evaluate talent well, or if they do they won't pay for it. So until Hunt gets the F out of town we're doomed!

Right, but I don't want a rookie just to have a rookie.

I think if a no brainer fell in the Chiefs lap, like RG3 was there at their pick (he won't be) they'd take him, but there's no sure thing in the draft, not even Luck. I know you're saying you want to take that risk and I would too, but if we're gonna start trading 1st round picks, I'd rather know what I'm getting.

Sorry Montana was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th. Bradshaw and Aikmen were on teams with multiple years of great drafts following their joining the team. Those teams mentioned had a lot of help around them. You don't get that by trading all your draft picks away. Dan Marino and Dan Fouts are both franchise QBs that don't have a ring because there wasn't enough talent around them. Ask Archie Manning how that talent around you thing works out. Its one of the reasons he didn't want Eli to go to San Diego.

I guess we're all doomed, because Hunt's not going anywhere.

Eli Manning

It's a risk. I just think its time to take one. Clearly the model this franchise has been using for decades isn't working. No?

we can quit dreaming any time now, were stuck with casshole for at least another long year

Cassel as a starter next yr equals my Sundays freed up. I won't watch this team as long as he's the starter. I'll be on NCAA full time.

Jesus christ.


First off Aikman won 1 game as a rookie. Lotta talent there.

Bradshaw won SBs by having a great defense.

Brady is the exception, not the rule.

But keep digging for those prized Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in the 3 or 4th round. It surely will happen soon.


The Chiefs have the talent right now. If the three guys who missed thw whole year come back healthy next year, skill position wise the CHiefs are on par with any contender in the league. Save for one spot.

You have to adjust for different eras. With the rule changes that have happened over the last 10 years, the QB is THE dominant position on the field. You almost never win without good QB play anymore.

Yep. I can't believe how many are against getting a franchise QB.

Good Lord, people, we gave up a 1st rounder for Elvis Grbac. We gave up a first rounder for Trent Green.

We're talking a few picks for the best QB prospect in a decade.

Circular argument and self-fulfilling.

Yet true.

Gave up a first for Green in the same draft Brees went in the second round. :deevee:

I understand what you are saying whoman. I just think Luck would be more important and valuable to the franchise than the picks they would give up.


If you give up those picks, in 2 or 3 years when Luck is in the prime ready to go, you can add those picks.

I think everybody realizes the importance of a franchise QB, but trading 3 firsts can really cripple your team.

How is Philip working for ya

As can having all the talent we have accumulated being wasted, while having a shitty quarterback.


If Luck says he won't play for Indy, I'd do what I had to and get him.

THe Chiefs could still have 2nd round picks this year and 4-7 to add depth and talent.

Not as much as not having an adequate QB. Not even close.

I think Grbac was a FA.

Grbac was a free agent signing.

I don't bemoan that trade. It was a good move. The only draft I think about what if, is the 1983 draft. We should have taken Kelly or Marino.

The Chargers couldn't make it work with Rivers & a loaded team
but if the Chiefs trade 3 1st it's in the bag
Smed makes more sense

Nope, Eli was traded for Rivers, a 2004 3rd, 2005 1st and 5th.

What does that have to do with the Chiefs giving up picks?

Because the Chargers were terribly coached, the Chiefs shouldn't make a move to get the best qb to come out of college since Manning?

Qb isn't an important position. Buildup everywhere else and just bring in any old qb.

Never said we have to stick with an inadequate QB. There's a difference between trading reasonable picks for a player and trading three ****ing first round picks for him.

How'd that can't miss Jeff George Trade work out?

I read on this site day in & day out how the Chiefs don't know their ass from a hole in the ground
But giving up 3 1st make them all the sudden geniouses

*sigh*

Let's see...

4-12
2-14
4-12
10=6 (very weak schedule)
7-9

27-53 over the past 5 seasons and you are worried about crippling the team?

Did I miss something? Pioli pulled the trigger?

I have absolutely no doubt KC will not go after Luck. Which is why the Chiefs don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

But without those first round picks we'd be really bad. [/ sarcasm]

I agree with you guys.


Lets draft a C with our first this year or a rb. Then we can get an ILB next year in the first and a Corner the year after. Then we will be set to go.

Arguing something you believe you have no way of being proven wrong about
brilliant

I think the Colts want Luck.

I'm not so sure the Lucks want the Colts.

I do too, but I live out here in Indy and Irsay is fiercely loyal to Manning. If Manning wants to continue playing for 3 more years, Irsay may be open to acquiring picks to give Manning ammo for another SB run.

THIS.

I dont want a two year starter, i want a thirteen year starter... someone who earned his stripes here, came up here... not an 'instant leader, just add water' guy.

Its LOOONG overdue, all the way back to the very begining overdue.

When is KC EVER going to grow their own HC & not go after a retread
We'll be patient, honest injun

If we were to draft say Luck, he could come here and be the face of the franchise, king of KC.

KC loves its Chiefs. Even with the shitty ass qbs we have had, they love them no matter what.

Isn't that it? The NFL is entertainment. If your own damn fans aren't excited about your team, what's the point? Drafting and following a top flight QB is something this fan base has been deprived of for 30 years. It would be nice to get excited about the Chiefs again.