I'm not saying principals of schools do nothing. I'm saying that scouting directors do a shitload more than principals. They do a shitload more than most managers. Diminishing their job to just some organizational role where they deploy scouts and just monitor results is beyond laughable. They are the face of the scouting organization and they have to be very good scouts themselves. Emery's job is to absorb a MASSIVE amount of scouting information and he has to be the one that tells Pioli the guys to pay attention to.

By the way, the Patriots were amazing at drafting. Lost Thomas Dimitroff. Had a few really shitty drafts. Brought Nick Caserio in in 2008. All of a sudden, from 2009 on, they become great at drafting again. But Dimitroff didn't do anything in New England, which is why he doesn't know what he's doing in Atlanta. Because nothing he did in New England prepared him for the GM job. That's probably the reason why Emery is the favorite to be the GM. Because Dimitroff and Emery, from having done nothing for their teams, are for some weird reason qualified to starting running an organization.

Spoken by someone who has no ****ing clue what principals of schools do.

Kinda slow on the uptake on this one, aren't you?

Yeah. I'm the one who lacks common sense. Which is why you're agreeing with the suggestion that Scott Pioli, a man busier than anyone I could ever imagine, has the time to individually scout thousands of players or has some kind of magic eyeball that allows him to know out thousands of players, these are the 50 I'm going to pay more attention to.

"Common sense": Pioli's job is to make the tough decisions about who to draft where. He also has to make decisions on how to run the organization, manage his coaches, work with pro personnel to know the talent that exists on other NFL rosters, etc.... He has a million and a half things to do. Pioli supposedly works unbelievably hard, but he's a human being. He can't possibly be a guru on scouting. Instead, he has to place a ton of trust in Emery to get him a manageable list of recruits and make sure that those recruits have very good scouting reports attached to them. Dwindling down that list from thousands to a select few Pioli can pay close attention to is really, really difficult work. You have to an outstanding eye for talent to do that. And coordinating your scouts to work on a very specific "playbook" so they know exactly what they're looking for, is hard work too.

By the way, this is the same argument I used to defend Pioli in NE against the dumbasses who said Pioli did nothing there. People credit Dimitroff and/or Bellichick. Both of those guys deserve credit, but from a personnel standpoint, the guy who deserves the most credit is Pioli. That's true here too. Pioli deserves the lion's share of credit, but he can't do it without Emery.

Yeah, I'll bet there's no succession plan in place or anything. I'll bet Phil Emery, who you never heard of before this, is irreplaceable.

...and "game film" off youtube ;)

No, I don't know what principals of schools in the detail that you do.

But I know enough to know that comparing the level of responsibility between the two positions is absolutely laughable. If anything, a Principal is more a GM than he is a scouting director.

Principals aren't teachers themselves. They have a million and a half other things to deal with. College Scouting Directors have to be scouting gurus.

No, it's not really like that. We have a mountain of evidence that the coach in KC under Carl Peterson had a large hand in determining who they would draft. Just look at the different drafts under different coaches.

There is no evidence whatever that Pioli would listen to Haley's ideas to any degree. At all.

First of all, get a clue. I wrote about Phil Emery years ago and actually used that to defend Pioli, saying he was going to make the 2010 draft better. Secondly, the idea that Phil Emery is a guy nobody has ever heard of, yet is a lead candidate for one of the most coveted positions in football is beyond laughable.

Phil Emery is very good at what he does. Other teams obviously respect his work. And they obviously believe he played a large enough role in KC that they're willing to trust him with the keys to their organization. This talk about limiting what Emery does is beyond ridiculous. They probably have a succession plan in place. But acting like Emery will be easy to replace is ridiculous.

Can we just give them Cassel and Pioli, and we will keep Emery and take Cutler off their hands?

Level of responsibility? You're the one saying that Phil Emery essentially does everything. He oversees an entire scouting operation.

The principal is only responsible for 1,000 kids each day as well as about 100 staff members in a typical school.

Yeah, that level of responsibility pales in comparison to a guy who watches film and conducts interviews of college athletes.

Most principals were teachers prior. That's pretty much the succession. Just like most Scouting directors were scouts prior.

What leaves this team in bad shape by your estimation other than the GM wanting to stick by a shitty QB?

Thisis a trick used by desperate people.

Over extenuate the opponents stance to make your own stance seem more plausible.

I NEVER said it would cause us to "completely tank drafts" and neither did anyone else.

Let me ask you a question.

If Eric Decosta leaves the Ravens, do you think that would lead them to lesser drafts?

Do you also think that if they lost Decosta, that Eric would want to take some of his best scouts with him to his future destination?

Emery is our Decosta and it's arguable that Phil has done a better job over the course of the last two years.

Exactly.

Can't have a team without a quarterback.

The team will always be in bad shape with Matt Cassel.

The scouting operation isn't everything. There is a college personnel department. There is a pro personnel department. And that's just scouting. Emery doesn't know the stuff about current NFL players as Ray Farmer/Pioli know, nor should he have to. As a GM, there are coaches and players you have to micromanage. There is being the face of the organization. There is the networking aspect of bargaining with other GMs. Etc... Etc... Etc... That's just the tip of the iceberg. Pioli is accountable for all of those things. He's not expected to be the most knowledgeable about college prospects. That's Emery's job, because while Pioli spends a fraction of a day thinking about them, Emery commits his entire work year to it. So when it comes to scouting, duh... Emery does virtually everything. It's that way in any organization. A CEO doesn't have to be an expert at Marketing. A college chancellor doesn't have to be an expert at English. That's why both of them have department heads that specialize in it.

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This is not a knock on principals. But the difficulty of managing a scouting operation is a hell of a lot more difficult than most jobs, including principal. That's why they probably work (I would imagine) 100 hour weeks, why they're groomed to be GMs, and why they make a shitload of money.

Again, principals are not accountable for teaching students. They are accountable for making sure teachers teach their students right. Scouting Directors are accountable for making sure scouts evaluate students right, and then they are involved with actual scouting once a shorter list has been developed. And then they are accountable for being a GM's go-to guy for getting the scoop on any player he's interested in.

The scouting operation in New England really slipped when they lost Dimitroff. It came surging back when they got Caserio. People want to blame Pioli for that lull, but he is only as good as the information that's given to him. It's the same deal here, I'm sure. While Pioli I'm sure micromanages Emery, I'm sure he also relies very heavily on Emery to get him good information. If the information stinks, then Pioli can't make good decisions.

Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn
The #Bears on the verge of hiring #Chiefs dir. of college scouting Phil Emery as GM. NFL sources said just a matter now of dotting the i's.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...as-city-chiefs

Bears Reportedly Nearing Deal With Chiefs' Phil Emery For GM Job


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Sounds like the Kansas City Chiefs are about to lose a member of their front office.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that the Chicago Bears are closing in on Phil Emery as their next general manager:

The Bears on the verge of hiring Chiefs dir. of college scouting Phil Emery as GM. NFL sources said just a matter now of dotting the i's.

McGinn's got a terrific reputation around the league for these sorts of reports so unfortunately the Chiefs are probably going to end up losing Emery.

He came here in 2009 along with GM Scott Pioli after previously working in Atlanta for the Falcons. He was also an area scout for the Bears before that so he has that Chicago connection.

Matt Cassel to the Bears for a 2nd and Andy Studebaker.

Why's a guy from Milwaukee breaking a story about teams from Kansas City & Chicago?

skjensenSean Jensen

Just landed in Mobile. #Bears HAVE NOT offered Phil Emery the job... Yet. I suspect another round of interviews

Awwwwww shiiiiiiiit....looks like the "Chiefsway" is spreading... :p

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2012..._begins_u.html

'What, Chief?' Emery era begins under cone of silence
By Mark Potash on February 10, 2012 1:56 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
As expected, the Bears are battening down the hatches and activating the cone of silence in preparation for their first NFL draft under general manager Phil Emery.

The Bears have alerted the media that only coach Lovie Smith will be available for an interview -- and only one -- during the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on Feb. 22-28. In previous years, Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo would meet with Bears beat reporters and scouts or assistants in Indy for the Combine usually would be accessible.

But Emery, who spent eight years at the Naval Academy, where ''Loose Lips Sinks Ships,'' made it clear that under his leadership, the Bears will divulge as little information about their wants and needs in the draft and free agency as possible.

''When it comes time to publicly assess our needs or publicly talk about players that we may target, we will not do that. OK?,'' Emery said in response to the very first question asked of him at his introductory press conference on Jan. 30. ''Because I feel that's a competitive disadvantage to do so.


''We will know internally what our needs are. We will know internally the players we are going to target. We will not give away our competitive advantage to outline who those individuals are or at what position they are.''

All Emery would promise is that the Bears would target ''good football players, producers, dynamic playmakers that can help this football team grow.'' Good to know their plan of attack in acquiring talent is the same as every professional franchise in sports history, with the possible exception of the Washington Generals.

That said, there is much to be said for the idea of keeping things in-house when it comes to acquiring talent. While many needs are obvious, even from a reporter's perspective it doesn't seem to make much sense to address them too specifically in a public forum.

Every so often it at least appears to make a difference. In 2001, the Bears had the No. 8 pick in the first round and did not hide their interest in a defensive end. In NFL circles and publicly, it was clear they had their eyes on Cal defensive end Andre Carter.

The 49ers, who had the ninth pick, also wanted Carter and leapfrogged the Bears in the draft order by trading with the Seattle Seahawks for the No. 7 pick and selected Carter. The Bears were happy to get Michigan wide receiver David Terrell -- a supposed top-3 pick who was still available -- with their pick at No. 8.

Whether or not the Bears lost Carter by publicly or privately telegraphing their intentions, there's an obvious premium on information and mis-information prior to the draft. Jim Finks, who built the Bears' Super Bowl championship team, was a master at disguising his intentions.

In Finks' first draft with the Bears in 1975, he refused to tip his end on what he might do with the No. 4 overall pick, but did mention that he liked Texas A & I fullback Don Hardeman, then drafted Jackson State's Walter Payton. As it turned out, they would have drafted Payton with the No. 1 pick if they had it, coach Jack Pardee said.

In fact, almost every key Finks No. 1 pick -- Payton, Dan Hampton, Otis Wilson, Dennis Lick, Ted Albrecht -- had one thing in common: Finks never said a word about them. It wasn't until Mike Ditka was hired by George Halas and given some of Finks' say in the draft room that the Bears started showing more of their hand.

It's in the Bears' best interest to not reveal anything regarding who they like or what they're looking for. But if their silence on personnel matters under Emery is going to be absolute, it's a policy that's likely to backfire in Chicago.

Bears fans like to know what their GM is thinking. Does he think the quarterback makes the wide receiver? Does he need a clear ''No. 1'' wide receiver. Will he take players who are red-flagged for injuries? How much of a chance will he take on players with personal issues? And what about the backup quarterback?

Unless he drafts as well as Jim Finks did, Phil Emery is going to have to find a way to answer those questions without revealing whom he's drafting. It's not that difficult. You just have to have an appreciation for the fact that Bears fans have a more vested emotional interest in this team than anyone at Halas Hall except maybe Virginia McCaskey. And they want to know not only that you plan to win, but how you're going to do it.

NDIANAPOLIS — Bears general manager Phil Emery was busy meeting with agents throughout the day Friday at the NFL scouting combine.

Emery visited with representatives of Bears players who are set to become free agents, according to sources, and also got together with Todd France, who doesn't have any current players on the Bears roster but does represent a pair of free-agent wide receivers in Dwayne Bowe and Eddie Royal.

Bowe will be one of the prized players on the open market March 13 if the Chiefs do not sign him to a long-term deal or place the franchise tag on him at a cost of roughly $10 million. Emery knows the 27-year-old Bowe well from his tenure with the Chiefs. The 6-foot-2, 221-pound Bowe caught 81 passes for 1,159 yards and five touchdowns last season from quarterbacks Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton. The year before, Bowe led the NFL with 15 touchdown receptions.

Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli said before arriving at the combine his team would have about $38 million, which would leave enough space for the club to secure Bowe and cornerback Brandon Carr and leave room for plenty more transactions. So the chances of Bowe reaching the marketplace aren't good.

Like new quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates, Royal would be a familiar figure for quarterback Jay Cutler. As a rookie in 2008, Royal caught 91 passes for 980 yards playing with Cutler for the Broncos. He hasn't been nearly as productive since the Bears acquired Cutler. Royal is 5-10, 185, though, and the team already has a cast of similar-sized targets.

France also represents draft prospects worthy of discussion — Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon and Mississippi State defensive tackle Fletcher Cox. Both are considered first-round talents, and Blackmon will likely be long gone before the Bears select at No. 19 overall.

The process in Indianapolis, including a night packed with interviews with draft prospects, is one Chairman George McCaskey is exploring. He arrived Friday afternoon and will be involved at least in the background as he experiences the combine for the first time in his role.

It's hard to say what the Bears will have to consider when free agency opens. The deadline for franchise tags to be used is March 5, so that date will provide some clarity. But teams can do deals with their own players all the way through, and there is no guarantee wide receiver Vincent Jackson will make it out of San Diego. The Chargers could re-sign the 29-year-old. If he's off the market, the Bears might be left to consider players such as Marques Colston of the Saints or Reggie Wayne of the Colts.

There are questions that accompany both of those receivers. How effective will Colston be not playing in New Orleans' scheme? He's a possession receiver who has spent his entire career with Drew Brees and has played all of his home games in the ideal passing conditions created by a dome. Wayne is 33, two years older than Muhsin Muhammad was when the Bears signed him in 2005.

Emery has a lot to consider in a short amount of time. The Bears will get a closer look at wide receiver options for the draft beginning Sunday when those players work out at the combine.

So Emery was tampering.

LMAO

ROFL

Can we just admit that EVERYBODY is tampering? I can't believe how blown-out-of-proportion the RAC comments are. If the Chiefs lose draft picks over COMPLETELY HARMLESS comments, well...that's just gonna suck. Bullshit.