I agree. I think people are piling 40 years of frustration onto Pioli's shoulders. Good Lord he has had 3 ****in' years-Carl had close to two DECADES.

I also find it amusing that so many consider Pioli an ego-driven maniac, when it's all hearsay.

The problem is Pioli is apparently the only guy in the league who thinks Matt Cassel is a franchise QB. Being spectacularly wrong on the QB position makes it tough to have faith in the guy.

I can see your point....

This is more in line with where I stand though.....

IMO it came right after that game because of his penalty causing outburst with the refs. I actually think minus that incident Haley coaches until the end of the season.

Jeff Chadiha has a major axe to grind with Pioli. Something has happened there that Jeff really, really hates him. He has been on 810 with Petro before and did nothing but rail on Poili the entire time. He was asked questions about other things, and he would switch back to and blame Pioli for everything... as if he couldn't get enough of it.

Seems this is happening more and more. Far too often for many peoples' liking.

Yep.

Chadiha as recent as last year though Pioli was doing the right thing with Cassel, though.

He's following the trail of evidence, just like we are.

I don't look at it that way at all. Hell, they had Bledsoe and continued to draft QBs.

I also look at it in context-we had Brodie "no longer in the league" Croyle and Tyler(3rd string)Thigpen. Given the circumstances, for a 2nd rounder he attempted to upgrade the position and actually did, unless someone wants to argue we'd be better served with Croyle or Thigpen at the helm. Those were the choices.

Bringing in Cassel as a stopgap isn't the major crime here. Putting next to nothing in the line of succession is.

Choices:

Draft Sanchez or Freeman with a 1st.
Draft Tebow in the 1st, or Clausen in the 2nd, or McCoy in the 2nd or 3rd.

They realistically weren't going to take a QB in the 1st or 2nd this year after Cassel made the Pro-Bowl.

(3rd person information!)

I'm good friends with Ryan Lilja's cousin. He talks to Lilja quite often. According to him, Lilja said that Haley constantly belittled Cassel in front of the team. Said he treated Cassel like a child, and that respect was a constant issue. Lilja thought Cassel was a timid dork, but a nice guy. Cassel tried constantly to fire up the team, but nobody really responded when Cassel would go on his fiery tirades.

Again... this is 3rd person info from Lilja's cousin.

That's because players are inspired by guys who get it done on the field.

Can I sign up for your email list? JK

On a serious note, I have been waiting for Whitlock to write a scathing article about the whole Pioli/Arrowhead environment scandal as Whit is known for "told you so's", I can't believe he hasn't chimed in. Any chance that I missed the article???

To the ship?
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I agree, but is that enough to let the good he has done, outweigh it?

Also, there is a player on the team named Stanzi, it isn't exactly like he ignored it.

I believe this a hundred percent.

He certainly plays like a timid dork

Timid Dork LMAO!!!

Matt "Timid Dork" Cassel. Hey mods can we get that inserted in there for Cassel?

Well ****.
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Right, but if Stanzi is, even at this early point in his career, not a better option than Tyler Palko? Which I do not believe, but they still didn't put him on the field. What was Palko doing on an NFL team?

This x a billionty millionty

Ehh that's debatable. When you have a QB like Matt Cassel and trying to 5th round yourself a Tom Brady isn't exactly handling the problem.

Have to invest more. I'm willing to give him this offseason to see what he does to try to strengthen the QB competition.

He was Haley's little buddy.

http://www.cultureblues.com/wp-conte...er-blaster.jpg

Besides Freeman, I wouldn't have drafted any of those players, either. Even then, I never viewed Freeman as a franchise QB, but more as a project and I certainly wouldn't have taken him at our pick.

Ever hear the term, better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know?

Jesus....

So I have a question, why is this the case?

Is it:
1. Because he’s just a ****ing idiot, or
2. He isn’t putting in the work to learn his position?

I think Palko was a huge mistake, but I believe who starts is on the head coach, not the GM.

Pioli made a huge mistake in assuming Palko was coached up in New England, by putting too much faith in them, but I understand the viewpoint of starting Palko over Stanzi.

Coaches are in win-now-mode. Does it stand to reason, to think that a player who has been training in the NFL longer, probably gives you the best shot to win over a rookie, especially one drafted in the 5th round?

Which terminology have we been using? I thought we did run the Edhart Perkins offense under Weis and he used Patriot terminology?
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I hate to say this, but I almost prefer Peterson. After his 3rd year there wasn't anything surrounding the Chiefs like the doom and gloom that is there now.

Assuming said QB has at least middling physical tools yeah.. Obviously Palko doesn't have that even.

There is this much doom and gloom because people are carrying the frustration of "no playoff win since 93". 3 years of that is on Pioli, 16 years of it are on Peterson. But hey, feel free to think those 16 years were better.

It's because everyone knows this team is one player away from being a serious playoff contender. It's because our QB is so OBVIOUSLY putrid that the collective NFL mind can see it. It's undeniably obvious what is holding this team back. This team made Kyle Orton look like a legitimate QB.

Everyone can see it but the one guy that matters.

It's not about just being mad at Pioli. It's about being mad at the fact that we've waited 10 years or so for a team this talented, only to be wasted by an ego trip.

THAT is what pisses me off, not sure about you guys, but **** that is infuriating.

Which is why the Texans went with Delhomme over Yates with the playoffs on the line.

No... Wait... they went with the 5th round draft pick didn't they!

There were times during those 16 years where I thought we might win it all.

Ditto!

Soren is talking about this right now.

"I'll never let go, Matt. I promise."

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Dude, you're off your rocker. Carl Peterson was shit awful.
I like you, but Carl was one of the worst GMs in the history of the game. I don't miss draft picks like Craphonzo Thorpe, William Bartee, Ryan Sims, ect...

18 years, dude.

While I agree, part of MY frustration is that Pioli seems to be operating, by and large, the EXACT SAME WAY Peterson did.

If KC has another sub .500 season or barely makes the playoffs and loses because of Cassel shitting himself because they have to rely on him to get the win.
You can say goodbye to the Pioli administration after this year.

At least Peterson listened to his coachs and gave them what they wanted.

Now are the two guys both pricks? No doubt!

Heres a few threads from CP back in Jan of 1992:


"We wont win a championship with Deberg as QB"

"I want Dave Krieg!"

"Harvey Williams will break 2000 yards this season"

"My fearless draft prediction: Dale Carter will bust"


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/newre...newreply&p=832

Dude, what are you talking about? Delhomme was OUT OF THE LEAGUE and NOT on the Texans roster, until the 1st and 2nd string QBs were injured.

Of course, you go with the player who has been on the team and knows the player book, over a street FA, who has been sitting on the couch.

Like the farmer dude from the Jags that nearly beat our butts last year.

Wishful thinking compadre.

Clark Hunt, and revenue stream

This

dammit, now I really am depressed

Bowe was pretty good, but his route running has improved dramatically over the past two seasons.

I'm gonna go ahead and give Romeo credit for DJ since he was basically an underachiever until the season Romeo arrived.

The only thing Haley did for Charles was not believe in him. First he wanted to trade him, and then he wanted to cut him. Charles succeeded in spite of a coach who didn't want him on the team. He had Charles behind Battle and Savage on the depth chart, and the ONLY reason he played was because all of our RB's were hurt and Haley had no choice. Once Charles got the ball, he took that decision away from Haley with his incredible play.

And Haley still brought in one of his favorite guys to start over Charles the next season.

The stadium will be empty for years.

Whats he saying?

No ****ing way to I intend to defend Cassel but, maybe there is no continuity at all on the offensive side of the ball with three OCs in three years.

Same system. Erhardt-perkins offense. He ran it in NE, and he's run it his entire career in KC.

It's not like it changed THAT much, though the individual coaches have obviously added their own wrinkles to it.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/stop...uto-159187.jpg

I'M IN HELL!!! OH, OH!!!!

I have no problem with Pioli bringing in Cassel. It's the fact that he is still wed to him.

And playing Orton had a purpose. Even with the loss and the struggles on offense, at least he looked like a real QB... as opposed to Cassel.

Depressing. You really can make a valid argument that the Chiefs are close, very close, to contending, if they had a legit threat at QB.

Worse case scenario.

We got rid of all of the guys that have common sense and are left with the one guy that doesn't.

****.

truph!

That's why I have no problem trading up for Luck and really believe we should. We know we need a QB, let's attempt to get the best prospect in quite some time and bite the bullet, so it pays dividends for the next decade plus.

Of course. If Luck were available, which is as probable as a snow storm in central San Diego.

Orton went through several OCs before ending up here and he made the offense look pretty good when he came in on short notice. If offensive continuity was the problem I'd think we'd see some of that with Orton.

Give up three first rounders.

Wow it happened the last time we had a legit and healthy franchise QB. :shake:

We'll find out March 8th (?) if giving up 3 first rounders is even an option. Even that may not be enough to pry Luck from the Colt's clamy hands.

Yeah, but keep in mind, Palko was playing prior to that. Of course, Orton looked better.

Matt Cassel was having his worst year, no doubt and I would love to see him replaced, but Orton was still average at best and I still don't see the fascination alot of people are having with Orton.

3 games-1 TD, 2 picks.

If you did offer three firsts and they wanted a player in addition to the picks; who would you trade for the ability to pick Luck? Is there anyone that is off limits?

Valid point. I'm still going with #1 though. ;)

The more things change...

While Carl consistently showed an affinity for other teams' backups, he didn't seem to possess an emotional attachment to them, unlike the "EotD."

Nope.

Not one player.

But this isn't Madden either. If any team understands the importance of a Franchise QB, it'd be the Colts.

Yeah, I'm praying they give him the bonus money. Pioli should be on the phone, the minute it's known, if that should happen.

LTGMiPS=EotD :banghead::banghead: :(

Why would he possibly be prepared or exercise any foresight? Case in point, look at this past off-season. Its brevity and fast pace should have greatly benefited the top GMs in the league.

And how did Pioli do?

Carl didn't show an emotional attachment to players? He called DT his son.

That's the kind of player you'd want him to have an attachment to. Imagine if he married Steve Bono?

Umm, you forgetting about the whole Elvis Grbac thing?

My post said "back-up QBs."

And I'm forgetting some ridiculous loving up of Grbac?

That's what puzzles me, what did that guy do to justify th price tag he was paid? No drew Bledsoe cannon, no Tom Brady precision or surgical ability,

Homes must be a hell of a politician.