I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

Reports earlier in the year say Chapman was squatting 580 at Alabama, which was by far the most on the football team. They said without the knee injury, he would have cracked 600.

Strength-wise he's maxed out, but I'd say that's ****ing plenty.

I also think he's fine at his "lesser" weight of 315ish if he's bookended by the best run-stopping DE duo in the league in Jackson and Dorsey.

But aesthetically, you'd just love to fill that position with a 340+ lbs bear. Not necessarily a <320 lbs overachiever.

But, I'm not Crennel and I'm not Pioli, so whatever.

Watching Path to the Draft right now. Talking about Poe. Said despite putting up great numbers at the combine, he did terrible at the most important one for D-tackles. The 3-cone drill. Said he was a half of a second slower than what starting NFL DT's should be. Ryan Sims anyone?

Mayock has backed away from Poe recently with the speed of an NFL CB. Poe is a big fat pig who came to the combine completely out of shape and he wasn't in good shape during the season.

BUST

Who got owned in big games against Baylor and Stanford

Thing with Chapman, good thing, is that he wouldn't take as much time to learn the spot. He's gonna be pretty well coached coming from the Saban school of defense.


I think he's strong enough to play the NT in our system. He could probably support 10 or 15 more pounds but I don't think it's necessary.


I really like that he can press the pocket from the NT front. He could stay in on sub stuff and bull rush.


Also, didn't all the Lbs from Bama rave about CHapman?

Keep doubting Jerrell Powe. Or, at the very least, remember that we drafted one of the best potential 3-4 nose tackles available in the 2011 draft. Powe was a HS All-American, a two time all-conference SEC guy at Ole Miss, and was a favorite here on CP for a Chief's draftee last year. 6'2", 335 lbs. and plays with great leverage and relishes being a two-gap, run plugging stuffer at the nose.

Ta'amu is not any better than Powe at the same stage and tended to wash out against the better competition.

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

Chapman has been heralded as a rock in the middle of the Alabama defense which won the National Championship mind you.Plus, like a QB you draft a NT until you get one that can take that unit over the top.

The Chiefs have too much talent on defense and too high expectations out of the unit to entrust the NT position to Jerrell Powe without even being able to monitor his progress until April 16. And for a position like defensive line, those offseason workouts aren't worth much for shit. You really need training camp to see how well hogs are ready to play at a high level.

I'm not doubting the kid, and I hope he does turn it on this year. I had high hopes for Powe when we drafted him and still do, but if he's not ready to play well at that NT position this year, we're going to get caught ****ing a sheep.

If Gregg isn't ready to retire and wants another year, I'm cool with keeping him, Powe, and Toribio (who probably isn't worth a squirrel fart, but you never know) at the position this season. The expectation would then be on Powe to take the starting spot. I'm really not sure if a rookie is going to make much of a difference one way or the other in terms of the quality we have at the NT spot.

Washington lost

I dont want a guy who is so raw its scary. Was Ngata raw and scary?

Ngata was just scary.

I might consider Poe if he dropped to the 4th round.

Might....

I'm hoping that the Chiefs keep Gregg around for this next season with the hopes that Powe will push to take the starting role sooner rather than later this next season - maybe even by the start of the season and have Gregg around for insurance and player mentoring/coaching. I think a full off season and training camp is going to end up having Powe take that starting spot.

As you pointed out, drafting another guy for the NT spot is going to be essentially the same as having Powe and one other experienced veteran anyway. They aren't going to carry two young guys at nose with a third experienced guy.

As well, one needs to consider that next years draft will have, potentially, three true nose tackles who will be considered near first round type of players.

I don't think that this is the year that the Chiefs really need to worry about drafting a nose tackle, especially high in the draft. Let's see what Powe is capable of and if they feel he's not ready to man the front, then they can look at drafting another guy in 2013 when there will be top quality guys at the position. Powe will then have another year with the team and will be no worse than a solid backup - and I'm hoping that he's going to end up a quality starter at the nose when everything is said and done.

I wouldn't be upset at all if they took Chapman in the 3 or 4 and let him play the NT role or role Bailey played last year.

Memphis DT Dontari Poe wasn't consistently dominant on a game to game basis, but he had plenty of moments where he flashed big time ability.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/...03131057438721

I view KC as a possible destination for Dontari Poe.

https://twitter.com/#!/MelKiperESPN/...03459832143872

Thanks for the link, but that's not good enough for the NFL. KC won't be able to coax it out of him if he didn't show it consistently at the college level.

I've been watching alot of film on him and he's constantly double-teamed and at times, triple-teamed and he still pushes the pocket. He's alot better than he gets credit for around here.

His upside potential is too much to pass on, especially at a huge hole for us. He's slated to go right at 11, so it isn't a reach. He's got Wilfork potential. Boom or bust, but the upside is having a dominant NT for the next decade plus.

Big Chief Fan...you realize that you just described Ryan Simms. Simms was actually better coming out of college than Poe.

You don't draft at #11 based on potential...not if you want to build a winner. This isn't fantasy football. Careers are on the line here.

Proven production is what smart teams draft in the first round. Poe draws double teams because NTs draw double teams by design. He looks like he should be better than he is, right? But he ISN'T.

Sims looked good playing on the same line with Julius Peppers. I can't name anybody else on Poe's Memphis defense, and I'm willing to bet a lot of others couldn't either.

Poe is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Sims. Hell, he's bigger, stronger, and faster than B.J. Raji.

Yes, he should've dominated his competition. It's a red flag that he didn't.

But, he seems coachable. If Romeo can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at the nose.

No matter how you slice it, you'd be spending the #11 pick on a guy who flat out didn't play like a 1st rounder and was not a dominate college player. He's only going that high because of his combine.

Can't do it. There are other NTs out there. Ta'amu, Chapman. And a lot less risk. Shoot at least those guys during their college careers have shown to be better players.

Every bad pick starts out with, "if xxxx can coach him up, he could be exactly what we need at xxxxx".

Yes...he should have dominated his competition. He didn't. End of story.

Put another way, how often do mediocre defensive linemen in college become star defensive linemen in the NFL? I can't think of one example.

BTW, you can "coach up" technique. You can't do it with desire, motivation or motor.