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HonestChieffan 02-17-2012 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8380003)
It sounds like you and your dad know how to run a place like that and you would probably be better served to break off from the owners and start your own place.
Right here.

FAX 02-17-2012 09:51 PM
I think Mr. pr_capone has the right idea.

It's hard to think about a father running a sweat shop with his own children as laborers. If the owners are the problem, start your own place. Do either you or your father have a non-compete agreement in force with the owners? If not, tell them this ain't China and you ain't Chung Fo Cheap. Then start a business, make a couple rocks, score a model, and see the world.

FAX

Fairplay 02-18-2012 01:56 AM
Management would crap their pants if you said this is my last week and i have another job. They would try to dig out of you why and for how much. I wouldn't tell them the name of the (fake of course) company. As they might call it and double check your story first.
Having your resume on the desk and clearing out your desk would be a nice touch.

I'm thinking they might give you a couple buck raise anyway.

Fairplay 02-18-2012 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 8380020)
BTW: Corel Draw? Really? Really???


Heh, yeah i thought that also.

btlook1 02-18-2012 03:12 AM
Sounds like starting your own place could be a good thing...make sure you print the customer list out and take it with you....get going and contact every past customer they had. That could help you out quite a bit.

el borracho 02-18-2012 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8380030)
God...don't even get me started. Such a shit program. Each version has more and more bugs. We're using X5 now and it randomly crashes whenever the hell it feels like it and I can lose files in the blink of an eye. But...it works for a lot of the simple things we do.
I gather that is not a very good program? One thing you can do is perhaps purchase a better/more marketable program and start using that at your current job. This will accomplish two things: 1) You will increase your skills and marketability so that when you do apply to other jobs, you will be up-to-speed on a valid program and 2) You may have more leverage for a raise with your current company.

gblowfish 02-18-2012 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8380750)
If not, tell them this ain't China and you ain't Chung Fo Cheap. FAX
Hey! I have a Taiwanese vendor named Chung Fo Cheap. Small world!

Deberg_1990 02-18-2012 10:01 AM
Just quit, stay home and collect your $1200 a month. it's the American Way!

Mr. Kotter 02-18-2012 10:46 AM
I haven't read the whole thread, but....

If you are not actively looking for work elsewhere, I'd start with that. Once you get a nice lead or two, or better...and offer, I'd use that as leverage to tell your current employer to "take this job and shove it."

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 8380917)
Management would crap their pants if you said this is my last week and i have another job. They would try to dig out of you why and for how much. I wouldn't tell them the name of the (fake of course) company. As they might call it and double check your story first.
Having your resume on the desk and clearing out your desk would be a nice touch.

I'm thinking they might give you a couple buck raise anyway.
Basically, THIS.

Mr. Kotter 02-18-2012 10:53 AM
I've now skimmed the thread. GTFO. Now. :shake:

Holy crap...you can find something if you try. Guaranteed.

gblowfish 02-18-2012 11:24 AM
Yellow pages list five different trophy companies in Tulsa. If you don't have a non-disclosure or non-compete claus in your employment agreement, talk to your competitors and see if they'll make you an offer. Lots of times they'll want you, not only for experience, but for your client book. If you can bring them enough business to pay your salary, then it's a win win.

http://www.superpages.com/yellowpage.../S-OK/T-Tulsa/

lcarus 02-20-2012 10:37 AM
I looked it up, and it says my position average salary is $15 an hour. Starting pay...nice to know lol

trndobrd 02-20-2012 10:45 AM
Don't limit yourself to trophy shops. There are lots of places someone with creativity and decent Corel and Photoshop skills would be useful. Print shops, advertising agencies, newspapers, magazines, etc.

tooge 02-20-2012 11:09 AM
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.

lcarus 02-20-2012 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 8385174)
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.
You are correct. This place isn't profiting enough. I think it's just keeping its head above water actually. However that isn't my fault. I do everything there as far as the actual work that comes through the door, and we do a lot of work. I am very efficient with my work. It's really easy to screw up product when you're engraving a lot of various text. We SHOULD be making a lot of profit, but like I said, it's run inefficiently. We have people on the payroll that don't contribute nearly enough, if anything. There's no management from my dad. Sorry dad, but you just aren't cutting it lol.

The point is, I think it's time to put myself out there and see what happens. I've grown complacent. Burnt out. Sick of the problems every day with orders not getting written up right, or scheduled improperly. Lost orders. It's just a nightmare a lot of times. Which is a shame. It could be a great place to work. 10 years is a long time. Started here when I was 18.

I'd like to get my own house someday. Even if it's a crappy house. Maybe....maybe...start a family. I don't know. I know people have done that on less than what I make, but I should at least check out what opportunities are around.

tooge 02-20-2012 11:37 AM
I'd certainly put yourself out there. Being at a place for 10 years and being only 28 years old makes you a pretty attractive hire as long as you have a skill that the employer is looking for.

NewChief 02-20-2012 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 8385174)
we haven't given our staff raises on about two years either. As a business owner, it isn't always about "were doing well as a business". You may do 3-6K per day as a business, but depending on the overhead, if the company isn't growing, but rather just the same as the last two years, then giving a raise to you is taking money right out of the owners pocket. I never understand where the staff at my office thinks raise money comes from. It doesn't grow on trees. If the office revenue didn't grow, and I give raises, then my take home goes down. Yeah, that seems fair.
Yeah, my wife got a 20% pay cut recently (though they've already bumped back 10% after a few months). The economy is tough, and if the company can't provide raises, they can't. But the OP needs to go ahead and put himself out there and try to find something better.

lcarus 02-20-2012 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 8385237)
I'd certainly put yourself out there. Being at a place for 10 years and being only 28 years old makes you a pretty attractive hire as long as you have a skill that the employer is looking for.
I'm just unsure how my skills here will translate to somewhere else, barring another awards place. I don't really want to work at another awards place tbh. Between a rock and a hard place?

tooge 02-20-2012 01:05 PM
you can obviously use those devices you mentioned. Is that the only thing they are used for? Perhaps looking into a graphic design type job or school?

lcarus 07-02-2012 11:57 AM
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.

Ace Gunner 07-02-2012 12:02 PM
Get two more minimum wage jobs. Should work out fine.

BigMeatballDave 07-02-2012 12:03 PM
I'd be looking elsewhere.

Saulbadguy 07-02-2012 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714368)
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.
Sounds like you have an external locus of control.

Sofa King 07-02-2012 12:05 PM
Tell him you're out.

Deberg_1990 07-02-2012 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714368)
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.
Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?

El Jefe 07-02-2012 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714368)
Update for anyone that cares (nobody probably). My dad (the GM) hired an outside dude to come in and be his assistant manager. This guy used to work here before I did, which was about 12 years ago. He only worked here for a year or two. Now keep in mind, I've basically been keeping this place afloat for years now. I've never truly been a "manager" but I've been in charge of the place really. I opened and closed, and the past few months when we were busy, I was working 10-12 hour days almost 7 days a week, sometimes up here by myself.

So now I have this guy here who thinks he has authority over me, even though he really doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid more than me. I've been trying to get a raise for the past 3 years to no avail. So instead of promoting me to this "assistant manager" position and making the new guy take my duties of laser engraving, it's the other way around. I feel god damn betrayed. By my own father. I guess just because....the new guy is older? I don't get it. I need a new career opportunity.
Lame. It's time you need to move on brother (IMO).

Bowser 07-02-2012 12:09 PM
You really need to be actively searching for something else. It's lean out there right now, but don't let that stop you from checking out other possibilities.

ChiTown 07-02-2012 12:10 PM
$13.50/hr?

If you are willing to work hard (physical labor), you can make +$20/hr in North Dakota in the Bakken oil shale. Those guys are screaming for labor up there. Probably not a strong market for engravers, but definitely a place for guys who are willing to bust their asses in the oil field.

Bowser 07-02-2012 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8714384)
Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?
And this. He is your dad. Talk to him off the clock, or something.

sedated 07-02-2012 12:10 PM
That's quite a punch in the face. Something I would expect from big companies, but not your own blood.

lcarus 07-02-2012 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8714384)
Have you ever sat down with your Father and expressed these thoughts to him?
Yeah, he just says "This guy I brought in to help this place. He's gonna help us in a lot of areas. I wish I would have hired him years ago."

So I really can't do or say anything until I find a new job. I have bills and debt I have to pay, and no bankroll currently to get me by while I search for something else. If I had some money stashed away, I'd just drop this place like a hot potato and tell my asshole dad I want nothing to do with him. Unfortunately, I'm between a rock and a hard place. I'm looking though...

The Franchise 07-02-2012 12:12 PM
Take this as a push to go find a different job.

mikeyis4dcats. 07-02-2012 12:13 PM
Sorry to hear that Icky....unfortunately a lot of family business is that way. Definitely, RUN.

lcarus 07-02-2012 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8714400)
Take this as a push to go find a different job.
Yeah. I need to quit bitching and being upset and just find something else. That's all it really boils down to. Don't worry though, Inmem58, you're still gonna get your trophy. :thumb:

Fish 07-02-2012 12:22 PM
Get the **** outta there pronto.

Garcia Bronco 07-02-2012 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8379988)
I have worked at an awards shop since 2002. My father is the GM who runs the place, but the owners are a couple of old investors that are hands-off. My job is to design every award that comes through the door, and we do everything from trophies, plaques, glass and acrylic awards, medals, ribbons, t-shirts, hats, custom engravings, you name it. I use two laser engravers and a sublimation printer. I use CorelDraw and Photoshop for everything. A lot of times I have to design artwork for lazy customers who can't get us something usable. I have a very very good record of not screwing things up, which is easy to do.

I started at 8.50 an hour and I now make 13.50. I haven't had a raise in 2 and a half years, and it was a dollar raise. We probably do between 3,000-6,000 dollars per day in business. We only have about 7 employees currently. I was told this past Christmas that the owners weren't giving Christmas bonuses. I usually have gotten like 150 bucks or so every Christmas. We had a pretty good year...

Every time I rarely, politely ask for a raise I'm told by the owners or my father that I should be happy with what I make, and if I want more money I should help the company make more money...should I get the hell outta here?
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.

ChiTown 07-02-2012 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8714452)
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.
/thread over

Bowser 07-02-2012 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8714452)
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.
Why didn't I think of this? Heh.

lcarus 07-02-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8714452)
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.

Skyy God 07-02-2012 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8380149)
Oh yeah, something I forgot. About 5 years ago my dad hired this woman to help with the front counter and phones. He hired her on a recommendation from my aunt, who was working the front counter at the time and needed help. He hires her, and she's the flirty type. Married with 3 kids, but eventually she ended up over at my dads house every single night. Eventually, she got her own desk and office where she does nothing but sit and play Farmville. My dad has always stood by "she's just my friend" but everyone knows better. They go take a 2 hour lunch every day, and she gets to leave every day at about 3 oclock. So she makes about the same wages as I do, but does nothing. Occasionally she will write up an order or something and make a big deal about it so it looks like she's worth something.

Yeah, it pisses me off.
In light of the above and the assistant manager hire, I'd absolutely take gblowfish's suggestion and begin discussions with competitors regarding taking your book of business elsewhere. Your dad's a giant a-hole.

Consider it as severance.

lcarus 07-02-2012 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 8714509)
In light of the above and the assistant manager hire, I'd absolutely take gblowfish's suggestion and begin discussions with competitors regarding taking your book of business elsewhere. Your dad's a giant a-hole.

Consider it as severance.
Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.

gblowfish 07-02-2012 01:10 PM
I would say that your dad has decided to invest in a spooge dumpster, and that's not a service that you would want to offer anyway -unless you're from a seriously F'ed up family.

Get gone, do anything else. You'll be happier.

SAUTO 07-02-2012 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714466)
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.
I had almost no credit when I bought the shop, never had a loan prior in my life. It CAN be done.
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Skyy God 07-02-2012 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714522)
Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.
I'm inferring that you were the de facto assistant manager, and he hired someone for the position formally without consulting you or giving you the opportunity to develop any missing skills.

Burn that bridge like the River Kwai.

SAUTO 07-02-2012 01:13 PM
And knowing what you need and having a business plan is a great start
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SAUTO 07-02-2012 01:15 PM
Find a banker you like and go ask about federal small business loans
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ghak99 07-02-2012 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714466)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8714452)
No...you should open a store down the street and put them out of business.
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.
I'd take your knowledge/experience to the nearest small business friendly bank and throw it at them. I bet if you lay out the business model and do a little digging on small business start up loans you might be surprised at what is out there. There is no way to know where you stand until you try... The worst they'll say is no.

Keep an eye out for "investors" who might be looking for a small side business too. You never know what opportunities are out there until you start looking for them.

The sooner you gtfo of there, the sooner you'll be out from under that rock and on your way to where you want to be.

kepp 07-02-2012 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8714526)
I had almost no credit when I bought the shop, never had a loan prior in my life. It CAN be done.
Posted via Mobile Device
And there has to be tons of federal aid programs for helping to start small businesses now-a-days. You can protect yourself from personal financial losses by setting the business up right, can't you?

SAUTO 07-02-2012 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 8714799)
And there has to be tons of federal aid programs for helping to start small businesses now-a-days. You can protect yourself from personal financial losses by setting the business up right, can't you?
Yep. Takes a little longer and has some red tape. hell they even take half the risk off the bank iirc.
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Iowanian 07-02-2012 03:06 PM
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.

BigMeatballDave 07-02-2012 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 8714825)
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.
Considering the time he's put in, I'd say his dad is just a raging douchebag.

Bwana 07-02-2012 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714522)
Yeah now he's trying to be all nice because he knows he shafted me.
"Being nice," isn't going to pay your bills, buy you shiny things, or build your retirement. Start your job hunt yesterday and get the hell out of Dodge, once you have something lined up.

Valiant 07-02-2012 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 8714466)
I wish to hell I had the credit to start a business. I know exactly what I'd need to start one.
Check with a nearby city and see what bonus they give to start a business. Some will give free rent and utilities.

Go to a competitor, bring your clients with you.

Go to a contracting compay, sprint contractors make 16 starting out. There are tons of jobs out there if you look.

Once you find one, I would just quit with the way you describe it. Just go in, get all your belongings, put them in the car, then say dad, got a new job this is my last day, I can work. Sometimes when I am free.

He will probably be in shock/angry why you didn't give him more and either fire or ask you about it. Then you can explain being overlooked for raises for what you do/ surprise highering of a boss over you without consideration.

lcarus 07-02-2012 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 8714825)
If your own father doesn't think you're ready for the job, maybe you need to step back and look at yourself as the issue.

Maybe...just maybe you're not as prepared for that job as you think you are in your own mind.

If not, then you need to just move on to keep the family relationship.
The issue is, he just treats me like a big kid. What he doesn't understand though - the other workers there respect me because I've put in the time and I've gone above and beyond the call of duty time and time again. So I can actually tell people what to do and they'll listen. The only problem is, I have my own duties that keep me busy pretty much all day. So I can't manage anything. He could have hired someone else to help with my job and it would have allowed me more time to step back and take on some other duties. But oh well...

Phobia 07-02-2012 03:38 PM
Your dad doesn't respect you and he's probably right. Because rather than confronting the source and handling it like a man, you're running it past a bunch of random strangers on the internet. He's probably reading this right now laughing his ass off at your pathetic posts. I'll bet your brother is in on it as well. He probably wants you to go find a better job.

oldman 07-02-2012 03:59 PM
There's a lot of good advice here, including to look inward and see if there is some reason you didn't get that job.
But back to you. There was money to hire another person, so why wasn't some of it passed on to you? If your dad is taking advantage of you because you are his son, that doesn't pay the bills. Keep your professional and personal life separate and move along. I don't know what kind of demand there is for your skills, but $13.50 isn't much for any job. If you can't find anything local that you can apply your talent to, then maybe it's time to move to a bigger city.

Buehler445 07-02-2012 04:04 PM
Seriously, if you want to roll around in cash, do what Radar said and go to North Dakota. You will get flat paid. A buddy of mine went up there to work at Walmart and got better than $20 an hour and his housing paid for.

And if you don't want to work for an oil company go work for a farmer. All their help left for the oil field.

Bwana 07-02-2012 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8714910)
Seriously, if you want to roll around in cash, do what Radar said and go to North Dakota. You will get flat paid. A buddy of mine went up there to work at Walmart and got better than $20 an hour and his housing paid for.

And if you don't want to work for an oil company go work for a farmer. All their help left for the oil field.
Yeah, there is a lot of money to be made, if you can stand living in shitweed ND.


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