his stating so is clever.......Sorry Mr. Hunt, Pioli didn't give me the players I needed. Fire Pioli and give me the QB I want, then let's see what happens

I think all of these trial balloons and leaks about RGIII and Manning are just to make the fans THINK Pioli will do something big and sell season tickets. Pioli will break the bad news to us after they've sold more season tickets. It's a marketing ploy..... bait and switch.

You guys make great points and I tend to agree. But you have to cut Chiefs fans a little slack. It's only natural for us to be skeptical after all the years of BS we've dealt with from this franchise.

If that were true then why is mentioning QBs every time we turn around?

Well I won't be fooled by that. As I was exiting Arrowhead halfway through the 4th quarter against Denver last year, I made a statement about not supporting the Chiefs until they address the QB situation. No more Cassel. And I meant it. I will not attend another Chiefs game until there is a QB that is a serious NFL talent. No more shitfest QBs like Cassel and Palko.

I think that by the end of this all that Cassel is going to be pushed off as Haley's boy and that Romeo felt that he wanted to go in a different direction.

To the informed Chiefs fan it will come across as bullshit. To the typical fan it will be like water to a thirsty man.

It's sad to think this is what it's come to but I believe you are absolutely right about this.

[QUOTE=John_Wayne;8400458][B]Chiefs | Zeke Markshausen signs
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COLOR=#0066cc]Chiefs[/URL] have expressed interest in Baylor QB Robert Griffin III. Head coach Romeo Crennel gushed about Griffin during the NFL Scouting Combine, saying he is the kind of player "you go up to get."


Do it :whackit:

Of course Romeo wants a new QB. He wants to be a successful head coach in this league, and in his experience, he knows he can't be successful with shitty Cassel. He knows he needs a proven elite QB or an elite young prospect QB.

Unfortunately, I get the feeling Pioli is dead set on sinking this ship with the guy he brought in and overpaid. He seems extremely stubborn to me.

Why do you think he is too stubborn to admit he was wrong about Cassel when he wasn't too stubborn to admit he was wrong about Haley?

He's not, and I'll bet he feels pressure from all around him to improve at QB.

Agreed, too much noise out there about our QB position for him to trot Cassel out there this year as our starter.

It's kinda crazy how all this qb talk has exploded.


Early in the offseason it was "the Chiefs are content with Cassel". Now not so much.

Because this is the most we have heard about the QB position since Pioli got here. Every other time it was defending Cassel.

They have set themselves up to piss off the whole fanbase if they don't make any legit moves, trot Cassel out there and get bitch slapped again.

WE got a taste of an upgrade at qb for only 3 or 4 weeks and now WE want one for real.

I say WE because it's not just ChiefsPlanet that wants an upgrade, it's the majority of the fan base now.

Those few games with Orton probably opened the eyes of a lot of people.

It should be noted that new coaches mean new quarterbacks.

That's by and large one of the key principles in the NFL.

:grovel:

Crennel certainly hasn't gone out of his way to protect Cassel. He has so far said he wants Orton back, implied if Orton was back it would be a serious battle, said you would be stupid to not go look at Manning, and finally almost blew his load talking about RG3.

Now none of these comments are crazy or prove anything. That being said, none of this, or anything even close, has been talked about by the organization before this offseason. With what we are looking at, any sign has to be viewed as positive.

As down as people including myself have been, I think we are at the point where if the chance came KC would get another QB. Now I am not saying Pioli will take the necessary steps, or pay the price we feel he should. I do feel that if the right price comes around, he would go after one of the 3 QBs Crennel seems to like. I just hope he is going to be more agressive at that than most of us expect.

A few months ago I felt that even if a team offered a good trade up for a QB to us or if Manning asked to come here Pioli would have turned both situations down. Now I think at the very least we are at the point where he would take it if he felt it was fair for the team. I want more than that in agressiveness, but atleast the door is open.

I've updated this thread with the most recent news from KFFL, although the most recent news is kind of obvious.

Bowe is on returns now

Bowe would be good at KR/PR.

I'm pretty sure that means if he returns to the team, not if he returns kicks.

Yeah that seems like a simple conclusion to come to if they keep Bowe.

Anyone else but me think Mike Tolbert would be the perfect compliment to Charles?

Tolbert is underrated as Hell, IMO. I would love to see us pick him up.

Tolbert in our offense would be sick. He is the perfect fullback, imo. Capable lead-blocker, soft hands, terrific between the tackles.... You could keep Charles on the field a lot more with a fullback like Tolbert simply because he wouldn't be the obvious person touching the football.

In my perfect world, we sign manning, tolbert/bush, and soliai, and

1. Trade out of our spot to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder

2. Draft a RT somewhere in the mid to late rounds who starts from day one. He cant be worse than richardson.

3. Draft speed at wr and add safety depth in the rest of the draft

4. Hope that with manning mentoring him, stanzi turns into the real deal.

A real pipe dream, but it would be nice if thats how things turned out.

Yes.

I so agree. I would rather have him than McClain. SD would be stupid to let him walk.

Considering they have a lot of space and don't seem very interested in using it to keep VJ or Gaither, Tolbert will probably get a new deal.

Most of this sound nice. But I'm sure we'll use a draft choice on a QB and should on a TE as well.

As for speed WRs, did anyone watch Steven Hill's combine? 6'4", 4:30/40, and can do this:

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I want to see someone broadjump during a game.

if we sign Manning i don't imagine we use a draft pick on a QB unless someone special fails to us. We use every pick to get Manning weapons to win NOW. Imo.

next year we can draft a QBoTF

Stephen Hill would be a great pick but I'm in the Peyton Manning, Draft Poe and a guard club.

No shit.

It's about testing lower body explosion. So no, broad jumping isn't used in football, but it does have a purpose at the combine.

No it doesn't. Sprinting and vertical jump yes. Broad jump no.

So explain what it's purpose is.

That is my point. The broad jump in no way mimics anything that a WR would do in a football situation.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/longjump.htm

Here's a link for your stupid ****ing ass. Learn something mother ****er.

Don't come over here correcting me for something I wasn't wrong on.

Some people just have to argue because they have nothing better to do even if they have no point or basis.

How far a guy can broad jump does not reflect in any way a player's explosiveness?

Guess all those scouts & GMs must be doing it wrong then. ;)

If they base their picks off of what they see in a couple of days of these drills instead of actual games they are wrong.

Nobody was talking about that. The subject was if the broad jump tests a players explosiveness.

You don't find it odd that they'd have a test for that if it didn't at all?

Today's updates.......

Who is Kamerion Wimbley? What do we know about him?

Hes a good passrusher and would be a huge addition. Crennel drafted in in the first round while in Cleveland.

Depends how much Wimbley would cost.

would be a great addition to this defense.

Wimbley could be a better Gilberry type specialty rusher I believe.

it might be relevant when wr's start broad jumping at the snap instead of sprinting.

uhh Wimbley would instantly start on this team

Where you gonna start him? He is coming from a 4 3 team where he played DE?


You gonna put him as a 5 tech? Start him over Houston?

Wimbley will make a lot of money it's not really worth it IMO.

ROFL

reerun.

He better be cheap then as situational players should not command much.

Ok.


Still didn't answer my question.

He would start over Houston.

While Houston is still young and has plenty of upside, hes not guaranteed to be good. Also Houston's contract is still pretty small. Giants proved you can't have too many pass rushers.

We shouldn't pay him what hes currently making, but the Chiefs should be willing to make a courteous offer.

I don't think I'd start him over Houston. He's never played the OLB in the 34.


I agree that we need more passrushers tho. We would have to be in alot of subpackages and have him and Houston on the field.

Romeo Crennel didn't run the 3-4 in Cleveland when he drafted him?

Forgot about that. Yeah he did.


He played the rush backer spot in Cleveland. So that would be more what Tamba plays.


I'm not against it at all. The toughest part is getting all them on the field at the same time running the 34.

It would be cool to see some stuff with Bailey and Jackson with their hands in the dirt and Wimbley, Houston, DJ, and Hali standing up.

He would certainly add depth to a spot we need depth at. Wonder how much he is gonna cost?

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
OAK started talks with LB Kamerion Wimbley to restructure his deal. If new contract not struck, he'll be released despite $6.5M guar in '12

Guess we will see what happens.

**** that.

Houston was an animal once Romeo Crennel realized the kid can rush the passer very effectively.

I'm not interested in paying anything near what Wimbley will be looking for.

If he wants to take pay that makes sense for a situational player, so be it.

4-5 million a year or so would be about it, though.

We do that and it's like getting Wimbley and Routt for the price of Carr.

YOu can never have too many pass rushers. That said, you can't overpay for them. The Giants have an abundance but probably are about to lose some of them.

<HR>[/COLOR]Chiefs | Feel Rodney Hudson ready to start

Nice to see draft picks getting, earning a spot...

Updated......
Today's news a little more interesting....

Obligatory Manning update.....

Updated.....

Repost BITCH !!

I'm sure that like everyone, this Peyton Manning info really snuck up on us. Who knew?

Carl Nicks anyone?

Hey I hope you're right. I think he might try to get Manning, but if that fizzles out, we'll probably be seeing Cassel under center again.

yes. Please.

I say the Chiefs should apply Obama's economic strategy to their attempts to sign free agents..... They should sign ALL of the free agents available, no matter what the price is and make EVERYONE happy, the Manning fans, the Freeney fans, the Hines Ward fans and etc. That would work, right?

What is he wanting?

Wants to be paid like a top rated Guard? Sure. I guess.

Wants huge money. Like LT money? Sorry Carl. You're just a Guard. Check yourself.

Wow. You know less about politics than you do about football.

Updated with the latest Manning news........ and a Luis Castillo too.....

Luis Castillo has been here????? How do you know? was there a flight tracker report??

If there is one thing Pioli and Crennel know, it is the defensive line. If they want to bring in Castillo, I have faith that they know what they are doing.

And NEXT on As The Manning Turns...... things are starting to heat up!

Look! Up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? ..... YES! It's Peyton Manning's plane on final approach to Wheeler downtown airport!!!!!

Old news: Chiefs are OUT.