sorry if the above post is spacey and discombobulated, it's 3a.m. and my brain is still emulsified from seeing The Avengers earlier tonight...

The problem could be above Pioli
Haley said, nothing could get done because every little thing had to go through Dallas. & By wonders of this board, Clark doesn't live in Dallas. Or the country for that matter.

Which brings up the point, Clark is not the owner but the owners' chosen representative. If there has to be a family vote on changing the team's paper towel provider. Clark & Pioli better get some success fast or it will only get worse

It's nothing really a locked boardroom & 10 gallon Igloo spigot cooler of Mountainberry Punch can not solve

Other things to put into play....under Carl ticket base grew under Pioli shrinks. The Chiefs are facing multiple lawsuits since Pioli arrived. Being President/GM is much more than a QB.

While I recognize many of the good things Pioli has accomplished the fact is that, in today's NFL, the quarterback and head coach define the team. Unfortunately, those are Pioli's biggest failings. Does anyone really think that Cassel and Crennel will lead the Chiefs to a Super Bowl? I don't.

hey, he lost that playoff game in loser fashion & he wasn't voted into the probowl, he got there by default. so :D

I'm seeing Trent Dilfer comparisons in this thread. Even if they're meant in jest.

The problem is that Trent Dilfer isn't good enough. The team is built like a brick shit house. It's solid from top to bottom. Depth everywhere, and each starter is at least adequate. EXCEPT the quarterback. Trent Dilfer doesn't win a Super Bowl without an elite defense. And our defense, while solid, is not yet elite. Maybe if Poe turns into a monster, but not until then. We still need an upper-echelon QB to make this work.

Manning would have done the trick. Same with RGIII or Luck. And I argued all draft season that Tannehill could have been the guy too. Someone with the talent of Matt Schaub would have been the absolute minimum we could have worked with.

All those guys are way better than Dilfer. At the point we don't have any choice but to trust in Stanzi.

The biggest knock on Pioli IMO is his apparent unwavering support for Cassel. I don't knock him for bringing in Cassel as we needed a QB at the time and he came off a very good season in NE. Who knew that he was hot garbage that was protected by an insane amount of talent and would only excel against the worst teams in the league.

With Haley, I do not knock Pioli for that one either. GMs swing and miss all the time on HCs which would explain the high turnover at that position. When it became clear Haley was not the answer Pioli got rid of him and moved on. Here's hoping Romeo does better the second time around.

When it comes to the OC situation, Haley let Gailey go and caused Weis to leave, that is not on the GM. So in essence he has done a good job overall in building a solid team. I think people will feel much better about him if he will abandon his unyielding support for Cassel and finally draft a 1st round QB.

:hmmm: I've heard some Terrance Cooper guy throws a pretty mean spiral.

while I agree with your points in general, trent dilfer was quite a bit better than cassel or the others on this team. he had good feet & nice quick release, read defense pretty well, was a smooth executer but didn't have much of an arm. he was not real mentally tough, but he played a lot of hard fought games against reggie white & brett favre.

imo, when you get a team that can find several ways to win big games, your QB just needs to help it all along by being clutch during those tight moments in big games. favre only won 1 sb because he made critical mistakes, yet he had all the tools in spades.

you know this is what pioli sees in matt cassel is a guy that can cut down on mistakes when he gets into the red zone. but, he fails to see what we all see in cassel as far as getting there. when you look at that 2010 season, cassel was inconsistent when it came to the end of the season and beyond.

imo haley and the coaching staff did a really good job that season. I don't know whether this team can be coached up to that level again, but that's pretty much what the coaching staff will try to do.

I don't want 2010 Matt Cassel. Cassel was a leech who got a large chunk of those TDs at the goal line. He gets credit for the low interceptions, but that's it.

He was still mediocre and quite bad at times between the 20s. Unless a guy could get wide ****ing open like against Seattle or Tennessee in 2010, Cassel wouldn't throw the ****ing ball.

Defenses have been able to pick up on his weaknesses in that respect. I don't think there's a game on our schedule this next year where he could throw for 300+ yards. Not one. Do you see any?

We don't need a 5000-yard passer. But we need a guy who can throw confidently down the field. I don't give a shit about arm strength. Just somebody who will work on timing with these receivers and help throw them open. If we can do that, they'll get softer cushions, which will allow for more passing success, which will open up lanes for Charles and Hillis.

2010 Matt Cassel is still incapable of doing that task. Thus, we're still the same ol' 8-8/9-7 one-and-done playoff team with a list of excuses a mile long.

You know who I'd take right now if he wasn't such a broke dick? Chad Pennington. He'd be perfect for what we need. Durability issues aside, of course.

ya, that's right. I doubt i'll watch a matt cassel game. i'll just follow the scores and check post game vids.

That's exactly who we have with less in-game smarts...

Yea 9-7 ftw

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How can you say this?

Pioli would have earned a lot of respect from a lot of people if he had gone ahead and done the right thing by signing Orton.

Instead, even if Cassel has a 2010 season again, he has left us in a position where we are absolutely ****ed if Cassel goes down, barring a VERY UNLIKELY situation where Brady Quinn proves to be something other than complete shit, and/or Ricky Stanzi is even average in his 2nd year.

We have the worst QB situation in the NFL. It's not that Pioli doesn't care, it's more that he's too arrogant to get out of his own way and ****ing fix it.

I beg to differ:

http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/Ti..._York_Jets.jpg

And Orton sucks. Period.

He got cut for Tebow - deservedly so might I add.

Cassel is better than Orton and that hurts to type those words.

Uh-Oh. You've done ripped on the Golden Children now. Dozens will be along shortly to scold you for ripping on thier beloved Lords Mark and Timmay.

The excuses for Sanchez are about to flow...

Two quarterbacks who have won playoff games > 3 quarterbacks who suck shit.

Got it. :rolleyes:

I can't believe anyone would type this after what happened at the end of last season.

If you were Chekov, and you were being treated at a San Francisco hospital for brain injuries suffered while falling off a naval dock, I would leave you to die and return to the 23rd century and save the whales.

Billay is an epic fool for things. Especially if the initials are RP

100 * 0 = ??

I was with you until the stuff about Orton. I do think the end results (wins namely) of Orton and Cassel over time are roughly equal, but Orton is a much better QB. If he'd been with the Chiefs in 2010 and all of 2011 I can all but guarantee that he'd have outperformed Cassel, even if the win-loss record didn't show any improvement. I have no delusions that he'd take us anywhere and I did not want him to be our starter this year either (with the exception being that they openly toss Cassel aside and then say they're looking for the QBotf and Orton is just there until then).

Orton and Cassel are both backup caliber QBs, but I'd take Orton any day over Cassel. Tebow should not even be mentioned in anything to do with QB and you almost completely unravel your argument by posting that Tebow is better than Orton. Cassel is better than Tebow. The only guy I can think of that I wouldn't want over Tebow is Palko. In the realm of not good to bad QBs, Orton>Cassel ~ Sanchez>Tebow. Then again, we're the real losers for even discussing this.

Wow this site is straight up stupid. I can't even quote someone that has a link or pic in their post. :spock:

Falco isn't in the league any more (until one of Pitt's QB's go down). Cassel's at least a 1.

They all suck shit. Them winning playoff games does not exclude them from sucking shit.

But, did you see the way Sanchez handed that ball off!!!

No one who is objective would say our QB situation is better than New York's.

Seriously, Orton is Matt Cassel. They are a wash.

Orton offers a few tools that Cassel doesn't have, but he's useless in the Red Zone.

Cassel's already entrenched here. And either way, we're moving on from whomever the QB is in a year. So it doesn't matter.

We don't have the worst QB situation, by the way. Unless you mean starting QB, in which I'll say yeah, we're probably in the bottom 8.

Those special green turds that come out every once in a while are still shit.

No, they are not.

One can throw down the field, one can't.

One can lead an effective pass-first offense, one can't.

That's a huge difference.

Pioli ****ed up.

Yes we do. Quinn shouldn't be in the NFL. Stanzi is a complete unknown.

We have shit backing up poop.

Ok, what does that have to do with my post? My entire argument is that they're both shit, so who cares which one is better?

My argument is that we have the worst QB situation in the NFL.

Stating that a team with TWO QBs who have won playoff games is a worse QB situation than ours is ludicrous. Not that the Jets have a good QB situation.

Orton is such a fiery competitor he decided to sign with a team that gives him no shot at starting. That's the leadership I want.

marty-ball was better .. too bad he didn't have a O .....

Pioli and 31 other NFL GMs. because that dude aint starting for nobody.

The point isnt load the roster with more shit. Its to find an NFL quality starter.

This argueing over what degree of shiit you want at QB is counter productive, childish, and makes you look ridiculous. Amongst other things.

Just say no to Orton and Sanchez.

LMAO

"This year will determine everything"!
LMAO

Every time this is said there should be a * or the favorite laughing smiley of choice.

Maybe getting the "right 18" coaching staff is as important as the "right 53" player roster? Having no confusion about who's in charge of the offense should be better than last year's clusterfuck. Breaking the huddle with 10 seconds left on the play clock was hard to watch. I was dissappointed E. Thomas didn't get promoted to DC.

Again, what does that have to do with my post?

GoChiefs is like a reflexive troll. I don't think he can even help himself anymore. I frankly don't understand why he is still here, let alone accepted by the general populace.

Nothing. Just explaining to you why I posted what I posted.

Damn GoChiefs, you are a terrible gambler.

Its not a gamble when you don't care whether you win the argument. Its all in the reaction he gets.

Am I?

The only reason I lost our bet last year was:

1. Charles got hurt

2. Battle got hurt

3. I still came within ONE CARRY of winning.

Seems like I barely lost a bet despite almost every possible break going against me.

I care very much. You think I didn't want to serve up some Dexist sigs and avs to these idiots?

You bet me you SIG AND AVATAR FOR A FULL YEAR that Charles will have 300 offsensive touches this year.

How many other people have you made bets with this currency?

You also said you'd leave for a year if we win 10 games, which is not only POSSIBLE, but PROBABLE.

That's not good business.

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