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BossChief 06-21-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693851)
The schedule is more difficult than it was last year. Period. End of story.

Hindsight is always 50/50

Amirite?

Hammock Parties 06-21-2012 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8693864)
Hindsight is always 50/50

Amirite?

Facts are facts.

We are not facing 5 UFL QBs this year.

I am getting really tired of restating that fact.

BossChief 06-21-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693865)
Facts are facts.

We are not facing 5 UFL QBs this year.

I am getting really tired of restating that fact.

:facepalm:

Hammock Parties 06-21-2012 06:54 PM

Present a reasoned, logical argument that shows our schedule this year is easier.

Or stuff your smiley up your ass.

whoman69 06-21-2012 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693834)
Our offense was fine against:

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Oakland
San Diego
Green Bay
Oakland

Anyway, I dunno what difference it makes.

We got 5 bogus wins because we faced UFL QB talent.

You're being generous. The offense was lousy against Oakland the first game. Despite 6 turnovers, the offense scored 14 points. The 2nd Oakland game we moved the ball but couldn't score in the redzone. Turnovers killed us. So the offense playing well in only 25% of our games, or even using your figure 37.5%, is not a red flag. We had other games where it was a total abortion or we had empty yards.

BossChief 06-21-2012 07:03 PM

All of those qbs played DUE TO INJURY.

To act like last years schedule (at this point last year) was easier than this years schedule is fools gold.

Most here thought, at this point of the year, winning 7 or 8 games last year would be a good year if we were at full strength.

This year, from what I've gathered, seems to have genuine expectations of 9 or 10 wins.

You know why that is?

Because the schedule is easier.

Or at least the perception of the schedule difficulty is.

For all we know, more qbs get injured this year.

HighChief 06-21-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693851)
The schedule is more difficult than it was last year. Period. End of story.

I am saying that it is a 4th place schedule compared to denver's 1st place one.

MoreLemonPledge 06-21-2012 07:09 PM

This is why women shouldn't write about sports.

Okie_Apparition 06-21-2012 07:19 PM

The big fish in the little bowl
will flop to the ground & dry out
~how much did you pay Hootie

BossChief 06-21-2012 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8693928)
The big fish in the little bowl
will flop to the ground & dry out
~how much did you pay Hootie

I can usually figure out what you're talking about.

You lost me on this one.

Okie_Apparition 06-21-2012 07:26 PM

Manning will be the new Denver "stink"
dead fishy
~this part was private

BossChief 06-21-2012 07:30 PM

You little riddle filled bastard.

BillSelfsTrophycase 06-21-2012 07:47 PM

IF (and that's one big ****ing IF) Manning's healthy, they should be

SPATCH 06-21-2012 08:07 PM

I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

BigMeatballDave 06-21-2012 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8693943)
I can usually figure out what you're talking about.

You lost me on this one.

I never know what he's talking about.

MMXcalibur 06-21-2012 08:30 PM

It's going to hurt big time to watch this team excel, minus the most important position in the game....

ThaVirus 06-21-2012 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 8694139)
I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

QBs not included I'd consider taking the Giants, Eagles, Falcons and Texans.

QBs included I'd take just about any other offense in the league.

SPATCH 06-21-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8694234)
QBs not included I'd consider taking the Giants, Eagles, Falcons and Texans.

QBs included I'd take just about any other offense in the league.


Giants: not nearly as good at RB or TE

Eagles: have WRs to rival Chiefs. Not as good on O-Line or at TE. Charles & Hillis have edge over McCoy & whoever

Falcons: not as good at WR, RB, TE, or O-Line

Texans: better RBs, not as deep at WR, not as good at TE (Daniels is just as injury prone as Moeaki if you're going to argue that), not as good across O-Line.

**Edit** I like the offensive talent in Dallas.. maybe Philadelphia. I still take KC, though.

Tombstone RJ 06-21-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8693550)
If only our drafted talent could play as well as Robert Ayers or Rahim Moore. Then we'd be a championship team.

The Chiefs don't deserve any respect, but that doesn't mean you can be a reerun and say, "Duhr Cassel sucks therefore the rest of the team sucks"

pretty sure the Broncos won the division last year and a playoff game, all with a QB who had a 47% competion percentage. Go figure.

BossChief 06-21-2012 09:26 PM

I bet both KC and Denver start off slow but that the last game of the year will be for the division.

Stanzi and Brock are the quarterbacks by then.

Tombstone RJ 06-21-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8694435)
I bet both KC and Denver start off slow but that the last game of the year will be for the division.

Stanzi and Brock are the quarterbacks by then.

who names their kid Brock anyway?

Tombstone RJ 06-21-2012 09:32 PM

hey, that's it. Brock Osweilers new moniker: Kid Brock.

ThaVirus 06-21-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 8694277)
Giants: not nearly as good at RB or TE

Eagles: have WRs to rival Chiefs. Not as good on O-Line or at TE. Charles & Hillis have edge over McCoy & whoever

Falcons: not as good at WR, RB, TE, or O-Line

Texans: better RBs, not as deep at WR, not as good at TE (Daniels is just as injury prone as Moeaki if you're going to argue that), not as good across O-Line.

**Edit** I like the offensive talent in Dallas.. maybe Philadelphia. I still take KC, though.

I think you're being a bit of a homer. We are very talented, but so are other teams. We're also sporting a lot of question marks and potential. Not including health issues, who knows if Hillis and Baldwin will pan out? Not to mention Moeaki. He had a pretty good rookie season, but he's spent so much time off the field, we have no clue whether not he'll acclimate himself. Hell, even Hudson and Asamoah have only seen limited game time.

If everything went as well as it could, yes, I'd take the Chiefs over most other teams. But as of now, question marks and all, I'd still consider all the teams I mentioned and probably add Dallas, Atlanta, and maybe even Detroit.

Hammock Parties 06-21-2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8693890)
All of those qbs played DUE TO INJURY.

To act like last years schedule (at this point last year) was easier than this years schedule is fools gold.

That doesn't matter, though.

The facts:

1. We played an easy schedule last year.

2. Right now, barring an unforeseen rash of starting quarterback injuries to 1/3 of our schedule, we play a much tougher schedule.

Facts. Cannot be argued.

If you can sit here and tell me we'll play 1/3 of our schedule this year against complete shit QBs, I'll tell you we're winning 10 games.

midwest 06-22-2012 12:58 AM

if this team can just get a good qb...

Chiefspants 06-22-2012 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8694724)
That doesn't matter, though.

The facts:

1. We played an easy schedule last year.

2. Right now, barring an unforeseen rash of starting quarterback injuries to 1/3 of our schedule, we play a much tougher schedule.

Facts. Cannot be argued.

If you can sit here and tell me we'll play 1/3 of our schedule this year against complete shit QBs, I'll tell you we're winning 10 games.

Your second point is not a fact, it is an assumption. Your second point assumes that every team on the Chiefs schedule is going to live up to their performance over the previous year.

Remember last year? Everyone, including you and I, were saying OH NOES, THE CHIEFS HAVE THE TOUFEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL, AAAAHHH!!! And now, using your words, apparently the Chiefs played an "easy" schedule.

Assumptions. Can be argued.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2012 10:35 AM

It is not an assumption.

Games against good teams with good quarterbacks are always difficult for our team led by Matt Cassel.

boogblaster 06-22-2012 10:47 AM

our leak-link should be a little better . with our running game improved the Oline better and hopefully romeo has the D clicking .. we should contend .....

vailpass 06-22-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 8694139)
I'm serious... name a team that, minus the QB, has better personnel on offense.

..and, yes, I am aware that QB is the most important position on the team; I still want to know if another team has better offensive personnel than the Chiefs.

Easy there big shooter....

DBOSHO 06-22-2012 11:27 AM

We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

vailpass 06-22-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8695279)
We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

Definitely, minus the QB KC's roster reminds me alot of the 1995 49ers or the 2003 Patriots.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-22-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693680)
Interesting.

The QB who was near the top of almost every statistical category was a liability, but not San Diego's 22nd ranked defense or 16th ranked running game.

Pretty numbers and he did help carry that team, but some costly turnovers at very bad times stand out in people's minds.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-22-2012 12:18 PM

:facepalm: Not this "tough schedule" bullshit again. Every year there is normally 5 or 6 new playoff teams from the year before. JFC this shit gets old.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2012 01:42 PM

It's not bullshit.

We are the ****ing Kansas City Chiefs.

Any game against a team with a good QB is a tough game for us.

This schedule is definitely difficult, barring a gift of injuries from the football gods.

whoman69 06-22-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8695170)
It is not an assumption.

Games against good teams with good quarterbacks are always difficult for our team led by Matt Cassel.

No, games with teams who have good defenses are always difficult for gentle matt.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8695528)
No, games with teams who have good defenses are always difficult for gentle matt.

That too.

ThaVirus 06-22-2012 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8695534)
That too.

So you're saying Matt Cassel is the problem!?

whoman69 06-22-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8695551)
So you're saying Matt Cassel is the problem!?

Uhm, yah.

Ace Gunner 06-22-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8695279)
We wouldnt even need an elite quarterback to win a superbowl with this team.

If we had a jay cutler/ matt ryan/ matt shaub type we could win championships.

ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too. The OL has been horrible since 2007, but has improved a bit.

Really, all this offense has been since LJ douchbagger got canned is Jamaal Charles. Charles pitched left, Charles up the middle, Charles pitched right. Charles, Charles, Charles. Hell, he had 97 of the team's 161 total offense yards during the playoff game. The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

ChiefsCountry 06-22-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695836)
The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

You mean the game where dipshit Cassel didn't even try once to throw to Bowe, even when Bowe was wide open. But yeah keep blaming Bowe for that like the little douche you are.

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695836)
ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too.

You should stop, because you are embarrassing yourself.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-22-2012 04:57 PM

Troll is back again eh?

vailpass 06-22-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695836)
ya, I think those are pretty good QB's also. The other problem with the passing offense is at #1 WR also -- I know many Chiefs fans won't except the fact that Bowe has been as much a part of the problem as anyone, he had two impressive games during his five years in the NFL -- the Seattle game where he was getting wide open all game and then the Tennessee game at the end of that season, 2010. That's a problem for this team too. The OL has been horrible since 2007, but has improved a bit.

Really, all this offense has been since LJ douchbagger got canned is Jamaal Charles. Charles pitched left, Charles up the middle, Charles pitched right. Charles, Charles, Charles. Hell, he had 97 of the team's 161 total offense yards during the playoff game. The one where Dwayne Bowe had zero stats. Nothing. In a playoff game. That is bad for a 4th year #1 wideout. Unacceptable imo.

Bowe is one of the few KC studs that isn't broken.
WTF?

Ace Gunner 06-22-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8695849)
You should stop, because you are embarrassing yourself.

The problem is, you have no clue :D

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695867)
The problem is, you have no clue :D

Eat shit.

Ace Gunner 06-22-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8695863)
Bowe is one of the few KC studs that isn't broken.
WTF?

He is a stud, but he is a very broken human. I know you don't see it that way, but I do. He's a big loser.

Ace Gunner 06-22-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8695871)
Eat shit.

Aw, you mad bro :D

Pasta Little Brioni 06-22-2012 05:10 PM

Let's return to bashing the flawed team from Pile High shall we?

vailpass 06-22-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8695895)
Let's return to bashing the flawed team from Pile High shall we?

Much better that than look at your own team, I'm sure.

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695874)
He is a stud, but he is a very broken human. I know you don't see it that way, but I do. He's a big loser.

Loser? LMAO

You're a moron.

How is he a loser?

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8695878)
Aw, you mad bro :D

I'm not mad, I'm perplexed by your dumbassery.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-22-2012 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8695898)
Much better that than look at your own team, I'm sure.

It is? Since when? We can bash Cassel, that's about it.

ku_jhawk23 06-22-2012 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8693876)
Present a reasoned, logical argument that shows our schedule this year is easier.

Or stuff your smiley up your ass.


Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns

is more difficult than 2011:

lions
vikings
dolphins
patriouts
bears
jets
packers

???

This years schedule is much easier...not to mention that we had a few injuries last year.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 8696738)
Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns

I've bolded the ones that will be significant challenges for our Chiefs.

The fact that you think games against:

vikings
dolphins
jets
bears

Are difficult, is laughable.

Those were games against Donovan McNabb's corpse, Matt Moore, Mark Sanchez and ****ing Caleb Hanie.

Chiefspants 06-23-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8695843)
You mean the game where dipshit Cassel didn't even try once to throw to Bowe, even when Bowe was wide open. But yeah keep blaming Bowe for that like the little douche you are.

Gochefs, do you happen to have a gif of Bowe running wide open in that game?

LongLiveBob 11-24-2012 04:23 PM

hahaha first thread i read....... all i can say is hahahahahah

Hammock Parties 11-24-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 8696738)
Do you really think that:

falcons
saints (missing coach and players)
ravens
bucs
bengals
panthers
browns

is more difficult than 2011:

lions
vikings
dolphins
patriouts
bears
jets
packers

???

This years schedule is much easier...not to mention that we had a few injuries last year.

Hey look, another win for me. ROFL

Tombstone RJ 11-24-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 8693744)
You paying attention, bro?

Point out one team that has a better set of O-line/TEs/WRs/RBs than the Chiefs. Did you watch the defense during the last weeks of the season? Wake up, dude.

ROFL

ClevelandBronco 11-24-2012 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9146562)
Hey look, another win for me. ROFL

Gotta tell you, you were dead on right.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-24-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 9146768)
ROFL

You guys signed the one man gang...Grats. Must have eaten a shit ton of stem cells in the offseason to boot.

Tombstone RJ 11-24-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9147052)
You guys signed the one man gang...Grats. Must have eaten a shit ton of stem cells in the offseason to boot.

have you seen the Broncos defense lately?

Pasta Little Brioni 11-24-2012 07:17 PM

Yeah, I saw them against the Pats, Falcs, and Texans getting raped. Pretty good against fraud teams though. Don't play them folk in the postseason.

Hootie 11-24-2012 07:17 PM

Simmons predicted like 41-0, Walter Football like 31-0...someone else like 31-3...

Vegas must know something we don't.

Tombstone RJ 11-24-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9147068)
Yeah, I saw them against the Pats, Falcs, and Texans getting raped. Pretty good against fraud teams though. Don't play them folk in the postseason.

:rolleyes:

fact is the Broncos still were in those games and due to things like turnovers (Manning threw 3 picks in the atlanta game) the Broncos didn't win. Those games were also early in the season when the Broncos were still gelling.

but whatever, your gonna see things your way and I'm gonna know things the winning way.

BossChief 11-24-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9147070)
Simmons predicted like 41-0, Walter Football like 31-0...someone else like 31-3...

Vegas must know something we don't.

Look at how Romeo has schemed against Peyton the last 5 or 6 times he has faced him...even with subpar teams. They also saw how KC played against Pittsburgh.

I think they are dead wrong, though.

I am throwing out some cash to back that, too.

LongLiveBob 11-24-2012 07:48 PM

clevelandbronco....... u in cleveland, OH?

InChiefsHeaven 11-24-2012 08:28 PM

I feel stupid...oh so stupid...I feel Stupid and reeruned and GAAAAAY!!!

CLX 11-24-2012 10:08 PM

If for some reason the Chiefs play out of their ass and keep the game close would anyone be surprised?

Do we have a 3rd QB active for the game?

I would really like to see the Chiefs get the #1 draft (with a new GM) but I'd also like to see them kick dirt in the face of Manning. Maybe even get DJ or Tamba get in a couple of Suh shots on Manning.

Looking back to reality I doubt Manning will be playing if they get ahead 4 TD's.

Rasputin 11-24-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8693850)
What it comes down too is...

Broncos season success hinges on Peyton Manning from breaking his nick.



Chiefs season success hinges on Matt Cassel breaking his nick.

Ha I think I nailed it, only but we still would have sucked with Quinn so there is that.


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