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Frazod 06-23-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by h5n1 (Post 8697066)
eh, he's likely a hero to many of the prisoners with his wild antics. dahmer was seen as a freak (eh, he was one) and they found a way to kill him.

Manson was IIRC, segregated from the other prisoners because they were afraid of the disruptive influence he'd have over them.

Also he's about 5'1" and probably weighs about 100 pounds. I don't know if you'd get much cred from shanking somebody the size of an average 7th grader. :D

Bugeater 06-23-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8697054)
Jerry Sandusky spends first night as convicted felon under suicide watch; lawyer says ex-Penn State coach in protective custody

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...#ixzz1ydf8DVtn

**** the suicide watch, let the bag of shit kill himself.

milkman 06-23-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8697135)
**** the suicide watch, let the bag of shit kill himself.

Oh hell no.

Make the ****er suffer.

Suicide is the easy way out.

Bugeater 06-23-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8697139)
Oh hell no.

Make the ****er suffer.

Suicide is the easy way out.

Unless he's getting subjected to daily ass-rapings he's not suffering enough. I'd rather see the POS dead.

BoneKrusher 06-23-2012 12:39 PM

Jerry still gets to play his sex games, only the rules have changed and he gets to be the victim from now on.

Red Dawg 06-23-2012 02:00 PM

Why should there not be the death penalty for people like him? Seriuosly, most states would probably back up such a law.

qabbaan 06-23-2012 02:48 PM

Pedos dont do so well in prison, because many inmates have children and many inmates were sexually abused themselves.

Chiefnj2 06-23-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8696917)
Actually, the NCAA has no grounds to sanction their program.

As disgusting as this is, it doesnt violate any rules, in this regard.

I suspect they will be paying 100s of millions of dollars out in Civil suits, though.

I find it very hard to believe that if a student athlete is bought a slice of pizza by an agent the kid can be kicked out of football, but if a University's athletic department covers up multiple counts of child molestation for a decade that their isn't some loophole or rule that the NCAA can't attempt to force on the school.

BigMeatballDave 06-23-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8697424)
I find it very hard to believe that if a student athlete is bought a slice of pizza by an agent the kid can be kicked out of football, but if a University's athletic department covers up multiple counts of child molestation for a decade that their isn't some loophole or rule that the NCAA can't attempt to force on the school.

I completely agree.

I do think, however, that this has hurt their recruitment.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 8697410)
Pedos dont do so well in prison, because many inmates have children and many inmates were sexually abused themselves.

Just as likely as it's an excuse to do shit they want to do anyway.


People that rioted about Rodney King didn't give a shit about him they just wanted and excuse to steal shit.

Frazod 06-23-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8697433)
Just as likely as it's an excuse to do shit they want to do anyway.


People that rioted about Rodney King didn't give a shit about him they just wanted and excuse to steal shit.

This is different. Being a criminal might make you a scumbag, but it doesn't make you a pervert.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8697437)
This is different. Being a criminal might make you a scumbag, but it doesn't make you a pervert.

being a criminal doesn't make you want to have sex with a man either

You aren't going to **** a man in the ass unless you wanted to **** a man in the ass already. Regardless of the reason.

beating the crap out of someone is a general act of aggressive, rape isn't.

DeezNutz 06-23-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8697144)
Unless he's getting subjected to daily ass-rapings he's not suffering enough. I'd rather see the POS dead.

This is a valid desire because no one wants this sick POS getting any pleasure from the memory of what he did to those children.

Allowing him to live, in a lot of ways, is still punishment for the families involved.

Frazod 06-23-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8697448)
being a criminal doesn't make you want to have sex with a man either

You aren't going to **** a man in the ass unless you wanted to **** a man in the ass already. Regardless of the reason.

beating the crap out of someone is a general act of aggressive, rape isn't.

Well, I've never been in jail, but I don't think ****ing other guys is something everybody in jail partakes in.

And rape is a definite act of aggression.

Brock 06-23-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 8697410)
Pedos dont do so well in prison, because many inmates have children and many inmates were sexually abused themselves.

People always say that, but they're released by the thousands every year, none the worse for wear.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8697455)
Well, I've never been in jail, but I don't think ****ing other guys is something everybody in jail partakes in.

And rape is a definite act of aggression.

:thumb:

i don't care how pissed off i get at some guy i'm not going to shove my dick up his ass.

punch him repeatedly in the face maybe but ...


i still think male/male rape will only happen if the guy likes that anyway ... pedo doesn't have much to do with it other than being an excuse/target.

JMO

TrebMaxx 06-23-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8697054)
Jerry Sandusky spends first night as convicted felon under suicide watch; lawyer says ex-Penn State coach in protective custody

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...#ixzz1ydf8DVtn

WTF??? likely to be transferred to the minimum-security Laurel Highlands State Prison

This MF'er needs to do hard time.

Kirby 06-23-2012 04:28 PM

Street cred yo.

Kirby 06-23-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8697437)
This is different. Being a criminal might make you a scumbag, but it doesn't make you a pervert.

But some criminals are perverts... therefore making them scumbags x2.

All in all. **** Sandusky. His punishment should be anal probing with various large objects in addition to jail time. Brooms, cucumbers, banana's etc.

jspchief 06-23-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 8697484)
WTF??? likely to be transferred to the minimum-security Laurel Highlands State Prison

This MF'er needs to do hard time.

He has rights that need to be protected.

Sincerely,
The system that failed to protect the real victims

MOhillbilly 06-23-2012 05:21 PM

People.still thinking that societies systems will save them from anything is also laughable.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8697547)
He has rights that need to be protected.

Sincerely,
The system that failed to protect the real victims

i believe it was the people in the system that failed to protect the victims.

stonedstooge 06-23-2012 05:30 PM

Bastard needs a Jeffery Dahmer skull****

gblowfish 06-23-2012 09:21 PM

He'll die in prison for sure.
And deserves it.

chiefzilla1501 06-24-2012 06:36 PM

I got a lot of shit for saying this, but again, Mike McQueary gets some vindication from this whole mess. From the sound of it, every level of authority at Penn State from the police to the head coach who pretty much owned Happy Valley to the Athletic Director to the damn President knew exactly what happened. Think I read that there were tons of discoverable e-mails.

Not that that excuses his inaction. But of all the crooked people in this mess, he's the only who seemed to take any kind of action. It's just a tremendous shame that those with the actual power to put a stop to this did not. That's what scares me most. There are always going to be lunatics. It's scary when there are people powerful enough to let these lunatics run wild.

Otter 06-24-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8699387)
I got a lot of shit for saying this, but again, Mike McQueary gets some vindication from this whole mess. From the sound of it, every level of authority at Penn State from the police to the head coach who pretty much owned Happy Valley to the Athletic Director to the damn President knew exactly what happened. Think I read that there were tons of discoverable e-mails.

Not that that excuses his inaction. But of all the crooked people in this mess, he's the only who seemed to take any kind of action. It's just a tremendous shame that those with the actual power to put a stop to this did not. That's what scares me most. There are always going to be lunatics. It's scary when there are people powerful enough to let these lunatics run wild.

Heads are going to be rolling for everyone that enabled Sandusky. Lives are about to be ruined an important men are going to fall.

Trust me. It's not exactly a secret.

chiefzilla1501 06-24-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 8699570)
Heads are going to be rolling for everyone that enabled Sandusky. Lives are about to be ruined an important men are going to fall.

Trust me. It's not exactly a secret.

It sounds like they've got a treasure trove of information. I hope they find every last one of them and make them pay and I'm glad this case if high profile enough that no way do these guys get off light. But in the end, it's one of those cases where I think the whistleblower got a lot of shit for what was a broken system. No school, coach, or anybody should be above the law.

Otter 06-24-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8699579)
It sounds like they've got a treasure trove of information. I hope they find every last one of them and make them pay and I'm glad this case if high profile enough that no way do these guys get off light. But in the end, it's one of those cases where I think the whistleblower got a lot of shit for what was a broken system. No school, coach, or anybody should be above the law.

Agree. I hope that mother ****er rots.

milkman 06-24-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8699387)
I got a lot of shit for saying this, but again, Mike McQueary gets some vindication from this whole mess. From the sound of it, every level of authority at Penn State from the police to the head coach who pretty much owned Happy Valley to the Athletic Director to the damn President knew exactly what happened. Think I read that there were tons of discoverable e-mails.

Not that that excuses his inaction. But of all the crooked people in this mess, he's the only who seemed to take any kind of action. It's just a tremendous shame that those with the actual power to put a stop to this did not. That's what scares me most. There are always going to be lunatics. It's scary when there are people powerful enough to let these lunatics run wild.

I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

Strongside 06-24-2012 08:52 PM

I'm guessing Sandy's first few months in the pen are going to look something like this...

http://i.imgur.com/tODnQ.gif

chiefzilla1501 06-24-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8699610)
I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

I said that was one thought that probably runs through the head of any whistleblower. Not the only thought.

I also said that doing the right thing means having an entire army of reckless Penn State fans calling in death threats to you, your family, your kids, maybe for the rest of your life. I said that the way the power system worked at Penn State, there are people in that alumni organization who can make sure your life is a living nightmare. And by the way, I believe I read a report that whistleblowers often don't quit their job out of fear. It's human to be scared. Maybe he was even threatened by authorities not to squeal. That doesn't excuse or justify the actions, but it's important to remember that he's a human who has every right to be afraid.

From the sound of it, McQueary's account was specific enough that every single person in the University from the President down to the police were completely aware of what was going on. And I'm sure McQueary knew everybody knew and was deliberately trying to cover it up. What is a 25 year old person supposed to do when all levels of authority know in graphic detail the horrible nature of what happened and do nothing.

I think people are really underestimating that this is David going against Goliath. Nobody is celebrating him for being some great guy. I just don't think you can get too critical of a guy asked to throw stones at Goliath and not be a little bit scared.

Gonzo 06-24-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8697462)
:thumb:

i don't care how pissed off i get at some guy i'm not going to shove my dick up his ass.

punch him repeatedly in the face maybe but ...


JMO


You are such a goddamned liar. You must face the truth someday. When you do, I shall applaud you, poofter.

|Zach| 06-24-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8699610)
I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

milkman 06-24-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8699743)
I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

|Zach| 06-24-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8699762)
Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

Complete agreement.

Just shitty all around.

Bump 06-24-2012 10:14 PM

if Sandusky were a priest, he'd be a legend.

WhiteWhale 06-24-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8699743)
I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

I understand what you're saying. You're right in many ways.

However I can only speak of myself. I am a selfless person. I could never handle the guilt of knowing someone suffered because of my inaction. I would, quite literally, want to kill myself in that situation. My personal suffering is something I can deal with... but the suffering of someone else because of me? I can't. It's an incredibly unattractive trait to women (selflessness), but it's who I am and I don't apologize for it.

Having been the 'victim' of an attempted molestation as a child, I can say that these people need stabbed in the face and die as soon as possible. I'd love to be the official 'molester killer' of the gov't. Give me a title and I'll ****ing kill all these mother****ers personally.

chiefzilla1501 06-24-2012 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8699762)
Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

Let's get one thing straight. The head coach of PSU and one of the most powerful men in the state had the power to do something, and did nothing. The Vice President of PSU and the head of the campus police, knew in explicit detail what happened, and did nothing. The athletic department head knew in explicit detail what happened and did nothing. McQueary met with all three of those guys. Those are three guys with the power to do something, and they didn't.

You have to imagine a young, 28-year old kid sitting in an office with those 3 powerful guys on separate instances and telling them that one of the most popular coaches in Pennsylvania and a legend was guilty of molesting kids, something that he couldn't prove beyond an eyewitness account. When they didn't do anything, you'd have to imagine a 28-year old man going to the press and taking down Jerry Sandusky, and Joe Paterno for doing nothing. Hell, Steve Bartman was crucified for making the most innocent mistake in history and he's had to live in hiding ever since. You're asking McQueary to take down a legendary defensive coordinator, the most popular head coach possibly in the history of college football, and to send the Penn State program down in flames. Let me also add that this went quiet for years and years and years. That shit doesn't stay quiet unless someone is actively making sure it stays quiet. You have no idea if McQueary was threatened to keep his mouth shut.

What McQueary had the ability to stop was on the day of. And details are sketchy as to how much he did to make sure the victim was no longer being abused. That was cowardly, yes. But after the incident... you're asking one 28 year old man to take down Godzilla with his own bare hands. It's inaccurate to say he did nothing.

Raiderhater 06-24-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8699663)
I said that was one thought that probably runs through the head of any whistleblower. Not the only thought.

I also said that doing the right thing means having an entire army of reckless Penn State fans calling in death threats to you, your family, your kids, maybe for the rest of your life. I said that the way the power system worked at Penn State, there are people in that alumni organization who can make sure your life is a living nightmare. And by the way, I believe I read a report that whistleblowers often don't quit their job out of fear. It's human to be scared. Maybe he was even threatened by authorities not to squeal. That doesn't excuse or justify the actions, but it's important to remember that he's a human who has every right to be afraid.

From the sound of it, McQueary's account was specific enough that every single person in the University from the President down to the police were completely aware of what was going on. And I'm sure McQueary knew everybody knew and was deliberately trying to cover it up. What is a 25 year old person supposed to do when all levels of authority know in graphic detail the horrible nature of what happened and do nothing.

I think people are really underestimating that this is David going against Goliath. Nobody is celebrating him for being some great guy. I just don't think you can get too critical of a guy asked to throw stones at Goliath and not be a little bit scared.



Your point might have some validity with me if this were a case of him running across some sort of paper trail, or over heard some people talking about it. But to actually catch the motherfucker in the act, being there in the moment and worrying about your career? Sorry, the only thing that should have been running through his mind at that point was, "Stop this NOW!".

That is where it becomes absolutely in comprehensible and unforgivable.

chiefzilla1501 06-24-2012 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8699825)
Your point might have some validity with me if this were a case of him running across some sort of paper trail, or over heard some people talking about it. But to actually catch the motherfucker in the act, being there in the moment and worrying about your career? Sorry, the only thing that should have been running through his mind at that point was, "Stop this NOW!".

That is where it becomes absolutely in comprehensible and unforgivable.

Sorry, this is my undergrad psychology background coming out in me. There is an enormous amount of evidence that it is HUMAN NATURE to panic when confronted by an authority figure. Sandusky wasn't just an average person or a peer. He was the second most powerful and popular man in Penn State history. Beloved by everyone in a state full of unbelievably rabid Penn State fans. There was a lot more to lose than career. Again, as I mentioned before... these kinds of huge violations don't stay a secret that long unless there are people up top actively making it clear the consequences of ratting someone like Sandusky out.

In the midst of turning in a guy of that stature, he probably panicked like a coward. But after that, at least he's one of the few who at least tried to make it right.

Simply Red 06-24-2012 11:57 PM

shoot 'dis piece of shit.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8699902)
Sorry, this is my undergrad psychology background coming out in me. There is an enormous amount of evidence that it is HUMAN NATURE to panic when confronted by an authority figure. Sandusky wasn't just an average person or a peer. He was the second most powerful and popular man in Penn State history. Beloved by everyone in a state full of unbelievably rabid Penn State fans. There was a lot more to lose than career. Again, as I mentioned before... these kinds of huge violations don't stay a secret that long unless there are people up top actively making it clear the consequences of ratting someone like Sandusky out.

In the midst of turning in a guy of that stature, he probably panicked like a coward. But after that, at least he's one of the few who at least tried to make it right.


Sorry, this is my common sense nature coming out in me. There is enormous evidence that it is HUMAN NATURE to protect a child that is in danger. The fact that McQueary did not impulsively go over and pound Sandusky into oblivion when he caught him in the horrific act speaks volumes about the man's weak character.

Seriously, who just turns there back on a scene like that?

Chiefnj2 06-25-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8699962)

Seriously, who just turns there back on a scene like that?

Apparently the entire Penn State University.

Fish 06-25-2012 10:10 AM

Jerry Sandusky Serenaded by Prison Inmates After Guilty Verdict
by DeWon Rucker | Posted on Sunday, June 24th, 2012

By now the news that Jerry Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts is well known throughout the country. Most people feel that justice was served and apparently the jurors feel the same. What we did not know is how his first night in jail went, until now that is. According to Andrew Strickler of The Daily, Sandusky might not be a big fan of Pink Floyd.

“As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky’s fellow inmates…serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”:

“Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!”

It is well documented how inmates feel about the type of crimes that Mr. Sandusky was convicted of, and it appears that they were making their opinions known. With Sandusky facing a possible 442 years in prison, he might become very familiar with the entire Pink Floyd catalog before it is all said and done.

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8699962)
Sorry, this is my common sense nature coming out in me. There is enormous evidence that it is HUMAN NATURE to protect a child that is in danger. The fact that McQueary did not impulsively go over and pound Sandusky into oblivion when he caught him in the horrific act speaks volumes about the man's weak character.

Seriously, who just turns there back on a scene like that?

Again, I would like to think I'd do the same. I thinking we oversimplify now easy it would ne to take down Goliath. It's real easy to act tough when we aren't put in that situation. This isnt just beqting up a guy at a bar. This is beating up a boss and one with an insane amount of influence.

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8700002)
Apparently the entire Penn State University.

Exactly. A llot of people knew. Probably some rwally good people. Yet this waa kept a secret which in this modern era is nothing short of a miracle.

Which leads to the obvious conclusion that people knew to keep their mouths shut becausw they feared the consequences of speaking up. That's unfortunately what ncaafb is now about.

ReynardMuldrake 06-25-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700195)
Exactly. A llot of people knew. Probably some rwally good people. Yet this waa kept a secret which in this modern era is nothing short of a miracle.

Which leads to the obvious conclusion that people knew to keep their mouths shut becausw they feared the consequences of speaking up. That's unfortunately what ncaafb is now about.

Drunk? Or just posting from an iPhone?

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8700199)
Drunk? Or just posting from an iPhone?

IPhone. God I wish I was drunk.

stevieray 06-25-2012 10:28 AM

'zilla still holding on to that same line of bs?

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 8700207)
'zilla still holding on to that same line of bs?

There is a reason there are whistleblower laws.
Nobody can seem to answer how so many people kept this a secret for so long. Except that there is an unspoken rule that you do not act above the beloved Penn state. Because you know there are consequences.

I blame the system. And believe Schultz and curley should be forced to share a cell with sandusky. I'm not going to stand here and act holier than a young naive guy that made the wrong call in a decision with very heavy consequences. At least he had the guts to speak up which is more than a lot of people would have done.

luv 06-25-2012 10:43 AM

Have they released the sentencing date? The last I heard is that he could receive at least 60 years.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700188)
Again, I would like to think I'd do the same. I thinking we oversimplify now easy it would ne to take down Goliath. It's real easy to act tough when we aren't put in that situation. This isnt just beqting up a guy at a bar. This is beating up a boss and one with an insane amount of influence.


Dude, you are whacked in the head.

Perv State is looking for mentally weak and paranoid individuals like you. I hear they have some openings now, might ought to apply.

Huffmeister 06-25-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 8700229)
Have they released the sentencing date? The last I heard is that he could receive at least 60 years.

Not sure when then sentencing will be, but this article mentions that he is 'expected' to be sentenced to more than 400 years.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...e-john-cleland

As others have said, it's just too bad he won't be alive for all 400.

luv 06-25-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Huffmeister (Post 8700244)
Not sure when then sentencing will be, but this article mentions that he is 'expected' to be sentenced to more than 400 years.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...e-john-cleland

As others have said, it's just too bad he won't be alive for all 400.

Yeah, considering he's on suicide watch, between that and the general population's despise for child molesters, I don't think he'll serve a year of that before he's in a body bag.

stevieray 06-25-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700225)
There is a reason there are whistleblower laws.
Nobody can seem to answer how so many people kept this a secret for so long. Except that there is an unspoken rule that you do not act above the beloved Penn state. Because you know there are consequences.

I blame the system. And believe Schultz and curley should be forced to share a cell with sandusky. I'm not going to stand here and act holier than a young naive guy that made the wrong call in a decision with very heavy consequences. At least he had the guts to speak up which is more than a lot of people would have done.

damn the consequences.

it's not the systems fault. it's you advocating that a career is/was more important than stopping a child from being SEXUALLY ASSAULTED RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. you take on five goliaths if need be.


more than lot of people would have done? I highly doubt it.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 8700247)
Yeah, considering he's on suicide watch, between that and the general population's despise for child molesters, I don't think he'll serve a year of that before he's in a body bag.


Assuming they do the right thing and put him in general population...

ToxSocks 06-25-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8700177)

“As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky’s fellow inmates…serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”:

“Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!”

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

luv 06-25-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700259)
Assuming they do the right thing and put him in general population...

Which makes me wonder how much money he has. Or will he just be on suicide watch for the rest of his life?

ChiefRocka 06-25-2012 11:02 AM

I'm on the fence here. Sure he didn't do "enough" but a lot of people here claiming they would have are playing Monday morning quarterback. To say you would have done something means squat. The reallity is very few people "would" stop to help at a horrific car accident if they were first on the scene.

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700240)
Dude, you are whacked in the head.

Perv State is looking for mentally weak and paranoid individuals like you. I hear they have some openings now, might ought to apply.

I'm talking reality. I'm talking about good people turning into nazis because of fear of authority. Im talking about 90+% of employees who choose not to bblow the whistle to report unspeakable acts. I'm talking about psychological studies where people ley a mudervctim die in broad daylight. Or where good people shocked a guy in anothet room with lethal volts of electricity because they were scared of authority.

The problem isn't weak individuals as much as it is a system that weakens individuals to act appropriately. We all act tough but there are numerous studies that show people don't always act in the best way when undet pressure.

ReynardMuldrake 06-25-2012 11:15 AM

Interesting first-hand account of the Sandusky verdict:

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The Jerry Sandusky trial was civilized and surprisingly efficient. The trial was overseen by an old-school judge named John M. Cleland.

Cordial, precise, Judge Cleland was the firm hand in control of everything. He tolerated no distractions or chatter. He radiated neutrality and probity. The judge was an outsider, brought into Centre County from a county further north. One sensed that he came from a different era as well. One of the reporters suggested that Cleland had a passing resemblance to the actor Harry Morgan in his Colonel Potter role.

At one point during the trial Cleland had to make a ruling on a tricky issue regarding the admission into evidence of some hearsay, an “excited utterance” by a janitor who had seen Sandusky assaulting a boy in a shower. One of the lawyers, arguing his case, told the judge that “the trend” in legal circles was to think in a certain way about such evidentiary questions. Cleland spread his hands wide, smiled broadly, and said, “You’re talking to the wrong court about trends.”

Cleland’s decorum order, handed down before the trial began, declared that there would be no live coverage of the trial, no electronic transmission from his courtroom, and certainly nothing so gauche and potentially disruptive as the tweeting of the verdict. Only when he adjourned, he said, could the reporters transmit to the world the jury’s decision. A violation of this order would risk a finding of contempt of court.

There was a quickening of activity in the courtroom Friday night around 8:30, though we didn’t know yet if there was a verdict. Then came the word on Twitter that Sandusky had been seen leaving his house as a passenger in a county vehicle. That meant a verdict. At 9:30 p.m. came the official word that a verdict had been reached. It takes 20 minutes to get from Sandusky’s home to the courthouse in Bellefonte.

At about 9:50, Dottie Sandusky, four kids and a daughter-in-law emerged from a back room, and took up positions in the front two rows. As they huddled, they looked isolated — their friends who had attended much of the trial hadn’t made it back to the courtroom in time for the verdict, and the doors were now locked. No one could come in or out.

Jerry Sandusky emerged solo from a rear door, looked at the packed courtroom — for a second he seemed slightly bewildered — and immediately disappeared into a different back room. (His movements remain quick and agile, a reminder that, although he’s 68, he’s always been an athlete and fitness buff.) Then he and his lawyers came out and took their usual positions at the defense table. The judge called in the jury. Sandusky appeared about 9:50. Dottie Sandusky, four kids and a daughter-in-law took up positions in the front two rows. The judge called in the jury.

“I am aware that this is a case of considerable interest to many people,” Cleland said in a typical understatment. “We will tolerate no disruption by any person regardless of what the verdict is. The sheriffs have been directed to arrest anyone who disrupts these proceedings.”

Everything went according to script, which is to say, tradition, legal custom, the rules of criminal procedure, all the way down to the direction by the judge for the accused to stand to hear his fate.

Juror No. 4, the jury foreman, read the verdict. When he said, for the first time, “Guilty,” there was nothing but silence in the room. Forty-five times the foreman said “guilty.” (“The verdict ended the fallacy that this was an area too devoted to Penn State football to render a fair and proper judgment,” Dan Wetzel wrote at Yahoo Sports.)

The prosecution had won the case on the very first day of testimony, when “Victim 4” took the stand and told his story. He was devastatingly credible. He spoke frankly, graphically. It was a brave performance, prefiguring the courage of the other seven victims who came forward later. When Victim 4 was at his most vulnerable as a boy, lacking a father figure, Sandusky had swooped in like a guardian angel, only to reveal himself, gradually, as a fiend. The testimony from Victim 4 was accompanied by “creepy love letters” that Sandusky had written to him. Any reasonable juror could see, from these letters, that Sandusky had an abnormal fixation on the boy not yet in high school. The defense later presented an ineffectual expert witness saying that Sandusky suffers from Histrionic Personality Disorder, but to jury it surely sounded like a junk diagnosis characterized by squishy symptoms (for example, a need for attention and intimacy, which describes almost all human beings), and the judge pointedly told the jury that it didn’t matter in any case since such an alleged disorder was not an excuse for criminal activity.

Victim 4 described how he and Sandusky would never discuss the abuse. It would happen, and then they’d act like it didn’t happen. One time in a hotel room the boy woke to find that he was being groped by Sandusky as Sandusky lay crammed in a narrow space between the bed and the wall. Sandusky didn’t need to be in that space to do what he wanted to do. But it was as if he was hiding from the world, putting his pedophile self in a compartment of sorts, to make it easier to pretend later that the crime wasn’t real, or that it never happened.at all.

Sandusky was acquitted on only three of the counts, charges that were fairly narrowly defined. Reporters and legal experts had expected some kind of “mixed” verdict, but this hardly fit that definition. The jury found that Sandusky molested all the boys, all 10, including the two never identified. It was a thunderous, unambiguous verdict that Sandusky was a predatory pedophile. This jury squashed him like a bug.

Cleland turned to Sandusky and addressed him. To my recollection (I could be mistaken here) Cleland had never addressed Sandusky directly in open court. He had always spoken to Sandusky’s attorneys. His voice suddenly struck me as louder than I’d heard before – a tone of justice being implemented, of the society speaking through this one veteran, gray-haired, bespectacled judge. “Mr Sandusky you have been found guilty by a jury of your peers,” he said.

Prosecutor Joe McGettigan asked the judge to vacate the bail; defense attorney Joe Amendola countered that Sandusky should be permitted to stay under house arrest until sentencing, Cleland denied the motion and ordered Sandusky remanded to the custody of the Centre County Sheriff, to be taken to the Centre County Correctional Facility. A young, strapping officer suddenly walked out of a door behind and to the left of the judge. He gently approached Sandusky. I wondered if he would be handcuffed right there, but no, the choreography had been worked out in advance, and perhaps the judge felt, in his old-school way, that there was no need for further dramatics in his courtroom. So Sandusky simply turned away from his lawyers and followed the young sheriff’s deputy out of the room.

The judge declared the trial adjourned. Every reporter hit transmit, except for a few who dashed for the door and down the stairs. (I saw a clip on CNN later in which you could see Sara Ganim, who won the Pulitzer after she broke the Sandusky story, running down the courthouse steps with a cellphone to one ear and her laptop open in her opposite hand – transmitting two ways while running toward the cameras. Kids, don’t try this at home.)

In the courtroom, we suddenly heard it: The cheer. The roar. I had not known that so large a throng had formed during the roughly 90 minutes we’d been in the courtroom anticipating a possible verdict. The sound was unmistakably that of many hundreds of people learning the verdict and cheering with joy. The analogy is impossible to avoid: It was the cheer you hear at a football game when a team scores the winning touchdown.

Outside, no decorum order applied.

The Sandusky trial was, taken on the whole, a triumph of the legal system, even as the many decades of Sandusky’s predation on pre-pubescent boys represented a catastrophic failure of oversight and perception by the institutions surrounding him.

There was one scene I didn’t see, because it happened at the rear of the courthouse: The perp walk. Sandusky emerged handcuffed, flanked by sheriffs. He shook his head slightly as, jeered by onlookers, he walked toward the cameras and was stuffed into a sheriff’s car. Later that night CNN ran the perp walk on a continuous loop.

What happened in the courtroom itself was never seen or heard by the general public. But it was burned, forever, into the memories of those who were there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Qj1V_blog.html

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700270)
I'm on the fence here. Sure he didn't do "enough" but a lot of people here claiming they would have are playing Monday morning quarterback. To say you would have done something means squat. The reallity is very few people "would" stop to help at a horrific car accident if they were first on the scene.


You are comparing a car wreck to some dude ass raping little boys? Really?

|Zach| 06-25-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700278)
I'm talking reality. I'm talking about good people turning into nazis because of fear of authority. Im talking about 90+% of employees who choose not to bblow the whistle to report unspeakable acts. I'm talking about psychological studies where people ley a mudervctim die in broad daylight. Or where good people shocked a guy in anothet room with lethal volts of electricity because they were scared of authority.

The problem isn't weak individuals as much as it is a system that weakens individuals to act appropriately. We all act tough but there are numerous studies that show people don't always act in the best way when undet pressure.

Yea this thread is funny. Writing about how courageous you would be in a message board is alot different than everything in your life and the lives of every person you know being dependent on how you move forward on something.

ChiefRocka 06-25-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700297)
You are comparing a car wreck to some dude ass raping little boys? Really?


Yes both grotesque and horrific incidents requiring a moral responsibility...what's your point?

Brock 06-25-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700270)
I'm on the fence here. Sure he didn't do "enough" but a lot of people here claiming they would have are playing Monday morning quarterback. To say you would have done something means squat. The reallity is very few people "would" stop to help at a horrific car accident if they were first on the scene.

LMAO

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700278)
I'm talking reality. I'm talking about good people turning into nazis because of fear of authority. Im talking about 90+% of employees who choose not to bblow the whistle to report unspeakable acts. I'm talking about psychological studies where people ley a mudervctim die in broad daylight. Or where good people shocked a guy in anothet room with lethal volts of electricity because they were scared of authority.

The problem isn't weak individuals as much as it is a system that weakens individuals to act appropriately. We all act tough but there are numerous studies that show people don't always act in the best way when undet pressure.


JFC, will this "everyone is a victim" mentality ever quit plaguing our society? It is in no small way destroying us.

There are right decisions and wrong decisions. Individuals strong of character or going to make the right decisions more often than not. But especially so in this case. This isn't a tough one. Scared of losing your job at place that condones and covers this kind of crap up? Why be scared, one would think that you would want to work some where with a little higher moral standards. McQueary didn't. He loved his preciaous Penn State too much to stop a little boy from a traumatization that will effect him for the rest of his days. McQueary was scared all right, but probably less so for himself than his school. When it comes right down to it his in-action was due to the fact that he was a member of the same sick cult that was running the show.

luv 06-25-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700308)
Yes both grotesque and horrific...what's your point?

With a car wreck, even if you don't call for help, chances are pretty great that someone has or will. You walk into a locker room where a grown man is raping a child, and you just keep on walking when you could have stopped it. There's really no comparison other than "grotesque and horrific".

Imagine you know the driver of the car that caused the accident has gotten off the hook several times, and is continued to be allowed to drive. You see him drinking and getting into the car, knowing his history. You don't try to stop him?

ChiefRocka 06-25-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8700316)
LMAO


:LOL:

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700297)
You are comparing a car wreck to some dude ass raping little boys? Really?

There are a bunch of studies saying the spread of nazism was likely driven by the same thing. Look up kitty genovese and you'll find an interesting case of people wqtching a girl get murdered in broad daylight.

Two things that frequently show up in psychology. People make bad decisions when influenced by an authority figure. And people aren't always motivated to act even when they should.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700308)
Yes both grotesque and horrific incidents requiring a moral responsibility...what's your point?


Walking on by some dirty old man running his dick up some little boy's ass in the showers is the same as driving by a car wreck?

Not that one should not stop and help in both situations but, my point is your and idiot.

ChiefRocka 06-25-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700332)
Walking on by some dirty old man running his dick up some little boy's ass in the showers is the same as driving by a car wreck?

Not that one should not stop and help in both situations but, my point is your and idiot.


Your points are your points. Internet courage is strong in this one :thumb:

saphojunkie 06-25-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700278)
I'm talking reality. I'm talking about good people turning into nazis because of fear of authority. Im talking about 90+% of employees who choose not to bblow the whistle to report unspeakable acts. I'm talking about psychological studies where people ley a mudervctim die in broad daylight. Or where good people shocked a guy in anothet room with lethal volts of electricity because they were scared of authority.

The problem isn't weak individuals as much as it is a system that weakens individuals to act appropriately. We all act tough but there are numerous studies that show people don't always act in the best way when undet pressure.

There were lots and lots and lots of Germans who did not support the nazis, did not stand idly by, and FOUGHT against them, to the point of death.

You are right, yes. That shit happens where people do nothing. Those people are guilty pieces of weak shit. I pray that if I'm ever in that situation, that I am not a weak piece of shit. Because, if I do nothing, that's EXACTLY what I would be.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700337)
Your points are your points. Internet courage is strong in this one :thumb:


Just because you would be too scared to do the right thing does not mean that most people would not automatically step in to stop child molestation.

It's not internet tough guy syndrome in a situation like this. It is just a reality. You just so happen to be in the minority, and to keep from looking weak and pitiful you have to spin it as if it were some difficult decision that not just anybody can make on the spot.

Sorry, but the spin job just ain't workin' for ya'.

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8700339)
There were lots and lots and lots of Germans who did not support the nazis, did not stand idly by, and FOUGHT against them, to the point of death.

You are right, yes. That shit happens where people do nothing. Those people are guilty pieces of weak shit. I pray that if I'm ever in that situation, that I am not a weak piece of shit. Because, if I do nothing, that's EXACTLY what I would be.

And again, I dont think you can call them weak without understanding repercussions. What do you say about doing unspeakable things if you fear for your life? How would you act if a general told you to massacre a village? What if you caught a mob boss doing something like this.
I think to the school bus where no kid stood up as bullies harassed that old woman. I think of football fans watching an asshole pelt a young kid with soda and call a six year old girl a whore.

This wasnt just some guy. This is a guy people in power were pulling strings to protect. And aagain, we speak of inaction, but he did speak up to three guys high up the ladder. And thete is nothing to suggesy the raping continued after mcqueary was there.

ChiefRocka 06-25-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8700359)
Just because you would be too scared to do the right thing does not mean that most people would not automatically step in to stop child molestation.

It's not internet tough guy syndrome in a situation like this. It is just a reality. You just so happen to be in the minority, and to keep from looking weak and pitiful you have to spin it as if it were some difficult decision that not just anybody can make on the spot.

Sorry, but the spin job just ain't workin' for ya'.


You're also assuming Sandusky wouldn't kill you with his bare hands and make you dissappear. Feel free to describe your entire altercation with the pedo, blow for blow. :p

stevieray 06-25-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700520)
You're also assuming Sandusky wouldn't kill you with his bare hands and make you dissappear.

...irrelevant.

luv 06-25-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka (Post 8700520)
You're also assuming Sandusky wouldn't kill you with his bare hands and make you dissappear. Feel free to describe your entire altercation with the pedo, blow for blow. :p

Ah, okay. I see by this that you're just trolling.

Raiderhater 06-25-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 8700524)
...irrelevant.


Precisely.

Fish 06-25-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8700419)
And again, I dont think you can call them weak without understanding repercussions. What do you say about doing unspeakable things if you fear for your life? How would you act if a general told you to massacre a village? What if you caught a mob boss doing something like this.
I think to the school bus where no kid stood up as bullies harassed that old woman. I think of football fans watching an asshole pelt a young kid with soda and call a six year old girl a whore.

This wasnt just some guy. This is a guy people in power were pulling strings to protect. And aagain, we speak of inaction, but he did speak up to three guys high up the ladder. And thete is nothing to suggesy the raping continued after mcqueary was there.

:facepalm: JFC......

Chiefless 06-25-2012 02:09 PM

I think this whole debate was best described by the Team America dicks, pussies and assholes speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HDPQumbccCY


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