More like the farce, until you dump Cassel.

"Always two, there are...the master, and the apprentice."

http://sportsofboston.com/wp-content...1511_Piloi.jpg

with the Chiefs rushing attack for the 2012 season, quarterbacking the chiefs should be so easy a caveman could do it.

Jesus Christ, this gadzooks kid is an absolute moron.

You could very easily argue Eli as the #1. He took a very average team and beat Atl, GB (in GB in January), SF in SF, and then took Brady's best and sent them packin.

He's probably the same sort of shitstain that thinks Marino was just as good as Montana just because Marino could hit a gnats asshole from 80 yards out. If that was all there was to being a QB then Jeff George would be considered the greatest off all time. The job of QB is also to manage the game, be a team leader, and come through in the clutch.

I would take Eli head to head against about any QB on any given Sunday. He stomped Rodgers in his house, and then beat Brady in the SB. Who is better than those two?

Gadzooks, do us all a favor...don't talk football anymore. It makes our heads hurt.

/btw, I don't even really like Eli, but I can recognize greatness.

No. His TEAM beat the Packers and the Patriots. He didn't "stomp" any QBs except for Ryan and Smith in the playoffs. Still commendable and awesome that he does this all on the road. But no, he's not a better QB than Rodgers or Brady. #3 is right about where he belongs I'd say

Archie Manning must look at his balls in the mirror every day and say "good morning king makers".

Yep.

I see this turned into another swallow the sausage fest...

Imagine that...

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I'm not comparing Eli to Dilfer, however there are a large group on this board that over rate him because of the rings. They don't consider the variables that have contributed to his success.
Next off-season, barring the Giants winning another SB, his ranking will go down to where it should be.
If you were to look at some of the guys on this list and had a choice of any of the players from Eli to #10, to replace Cassel, I doubt you'd pick Eli unless you had your head up your ass.

At least someone gets it...

Dumbass.

SNR put him at #3.

You said he was overrated at 4.

You can't overrate a QB who chucks it 4000+ yards with a shitty running game.

Use your ****ing head, dude.

Wow Dave, you're not a very sociable person.
Teams with shitty running games tend to throw the ball more.
Rivers has 4 seasons in a row with 4000+ yds so I guess he's better than Eli that only has 3. Logic eludes you and you like shiny things that's why Eli appeals to you.
I'm not saying Eli's not in the top ten but considering many variables, I think 4 is too high for him.

If you want to win THIS YEAR picking anyone other than Brady is purely for the sake of stirring the $3it...

Yep, they came to play in the playoffs. The run game became decent in the playoffs and the defense was very good. Pretty hard to call a team that holds the Pats and Packers to half their averages and shuts out the Falcons the "league's worst defense." Not quite as extreme as the dreadful 2006 Colts defense carrying Peyton to the title, but the Giants D played very well.

Eli isn't super talented, but he comes up big when he has to, unlike Phyllis Rivers.

65% completion percentage, 9 TDs to 1 INT and averaged over 300 yards per game in the postseason and people say Eli wasn't a top, if not THE top, QB last year?

So does Tebow. Where is he on the list?
Sure,Tebow's not as talented, but if that's your main criteria shouldn't he be in at least the top ten?

I'd love to see Eli with this team; to see what he could do.
I haven't looked (so don't flame me too hard....(that's what she said)), but how do the Chiefs compare to the Giants at the skill positions?

what he said

Or signed Brees.

/puts gun in mouth, pulls trigger

:facepalm:

Well, yeah, you were comparing them.

I'm not saying he's 'the best' or anything, because I hate qualifying players like that. Eli is a unique QB. He plays tough and NEVER gives up on plays (which bites him sometimes) and he's played behind a terrible OL for pretty much his entire career.

Put most QB's behind that OL and they''ll shrink. Eli manned up against the 49ers in spite of being knocked on his ass damn near every time he dropped back. How many Qb's would have gotten timid after three quarters of that? Most of them.

So is he top 4? I don't care. I'd be happy as a pig in shit if our QB played like that. We'd be a contender.

Subtlety is not your forte so I understand how you wouldn't be able to see my point.
I imagine that you have deep set eyes and a large forehead that you use to break nuts.

Do you cry yourself to sleep knowing that the QB that told your team to **** off now has 2 rings?

And one they let go has another.
Can't be sure of course, but I think the Chargers have at least one title if they had either of them.
Not to say Rivers is bad, they are just that much better.

Eli is just clutch. Plain, and simple. He plays his best in the biggest moments, and when the game hangs in the balance.

Yeah, I keep forgetting about Brees.

Really?

Petyon - I take Eli. Younger, not coming off a major series of medical issues and Eli is a much better clutch player.

Roethlisberger - Kind of a tossup depending on what system you want to run. I might go with Eli because (a) less wear and tear, (b) history of throwing more TDs, (c) more disciplined.

Stafford - Tough one. Might be the only player between 4 and 10 that I'd take over Eli, only because we don't know his ceiling yet. But, his injury history is pretty troubling and he's still relatively unproven.

Romo - No way.

Rivers - Not close to Eli. Mentally weak.

Ryan - Still ascending, but is not the same player on the road that he is at home.

Not at all. I'm a rational human being who can see that Eli has benefited greatly by playing on a team with a defense capable of restraining GB, SF and NE's offense enough to give him a chance to win.
He and his Daddy pulled a dick move on SD just like Elway did to the Colts but I'm long over it. I'm more than happy with Rivers and just wish the Chargers had a D like the Giants.

Ugh.

You are very thick-headed.

I think your a bit biased against Rivers. If he were a Chief you'd warm up to him. Also, you seemed to struggle with Roethlisberg and Stafford. Not that easy when you really look at it. What about Vick?
I think Vick has matured enough and shown enough to be in the top 5.

This is true. Mostly because Cassel is a turd.

I would never, not ever, choose Rivers over Eli.

Absolutely not.

I'd take Rivers over him.

Why? Because of the dog thing or does it have something to do with the way he plays?

He's injured half the time and he's just not that good.

All you have to do is blitz Vick and it's over. He can't read a defense to save his life. Dude can't stay healthy either.

Beware!

I'm home!

I think it's time to read and contribute to this thread.

However - NASCAR's historic DAYTONA is on Friday & Saturday! But, I'll be back!

All the Best,

Dylan

ROFL Don't tell Toad King that.

Well you're right, he can't stay healthy but it seems his ability to read defenses has progressed since he stopped killing dogs.

15. Carson Palmer, Oakland (Age: 32, Record: 50-56)
2011 Stats: 2,753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT, 20 rush yards, TD (9 games)

Not just anyone could walk into Cincinnati and turn the Bengals into a perennial playoff contender but that is essentially what the No. 1 overall pick did in 2003. Cincy lost at least 10 games in five straight seasons before drafting Palmer. By 2005, the Bengals had their first winning season since 1988. In fact, Cincy has three postseason appearances since 1990 and two have come on the strong right arm of Palmer. After a brief six-game hiatus, all he did last year in Oakland (for a lame duck coach) was post his highest yards-per-game total of his career (275.3 ypg). At 32 years old, he still has plenty left in the 6-foot-5, 235-pound tank.

He will be in the running for comeback player of the year next season~

He'll have to throw for eleventy billion yards a game because of that shit defense. Still might not be enough most weeks.

We're not sweeping Oakland, and that's the only important part of this discussion.

Idiot, I accept the fact he is better at home.

Saying he is not a good player on the road is not accurate.

Dude averages 300 yards per game.

I think Peyton Manning pretty much has that sealed up.

Enjoy the year off!!!

Will he even make it out of the preseason?

We shall see. I think Palmer will surprise many~

This is a weak comeback.

Half this place will jump on board the U.S.S Toad King when our offense starts out looking like a pile of shit in preseason.

Another 25 percent will come on board after the Falcons gut us at Arrowhead.

There will be a few stragglers left that will hold out hope for a strong finish based on our weak season-ending schedule.

I will battle them bitterly to the end.

As much as it pains me, I will disagree. The Chiefs have pretty solid talent overall. I do not think Cassell will be tasked with the load. I will say if KC had a solid QB I would pick them to win the west. As it is I think they will be in the mix~

The few, the proud, the HERMINES!!!

Matt Cassel leads offenses to more points in the postseason than Ryan does. Zero against the Giants.

Yeah, well Ryan actually has 100+ passing yards in a postseason game so Matt Cassel is hopelessly outmatched.

FYI he's had basically 0 help from his running game or defense in every playoff appearance.

LMAO

Gadzooks, you sound bitter.

Eli Manning has two Super Bowl wins, two Super Bowl MVPs, but Eli still gets no respect.


Eli Manning, New York Giants (2004-present)
Drafted by the San Diego Chargers in the 1st round (1st overall) of the 2004 NFL Draft.
2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011) (*who cares)
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)


Phil Rivers: San Diego Chargers (2004–present)
Drafted by the New York Giants in the 1st round (4th overall) of the 2004 NFL Draft
4× Pro Bowl (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011) (*who cares)
"Rivers, starting in place of injured Tom Brady, was picked off twice in the first quarter, the second by Hall."
Playoff Record as Starting QB: (*This you should care about)
2009 Playoffs Division Loss
2008 Playoffs Division Loss
2007 Playoffs Conf Champ Loss to New England Patriots
2006 Playoffs Divison Loss
2004 Wildcard Loss
Super Bowl Wins and Appearances: 0 (*see above)


Super Bowl MVP
2011 Eli Manning, New York Giants
2010 Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers
2009 Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
2008 Santonio Holmes, Pittsburgh Steelers
2007 Eli Manning, New York Giants
2006 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts
2005 Hines Ward, Pittsburgh Steelers
2004 Deion Branch, New England Patriots
2003 Tom Brady, New England Patriots
2002 Dexter Jackson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2001 Tom Brady, New England Patriots
2000 Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens

*Dear God, I'm on the first page of this thread!

Wait what does the USS Toad King represent again? I'm pretty sure I'm already on board, but I don't know exactly.

Dear God, a Raiders' fan!

You my friend need to do some research if you believed what you had wrote.

And if I may be so bold - Try reading this book by HOWIE LONG!

Here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Football-For-D...ion/0764550543



*Dear Lord, please give me the strength - I'm on the first page of this thread!

(Pss! This is Knowmo. The Donk homer)

I'm saying he gets too much respect. If anything, your favorite team's defense gets no respect.

Oh, thanks SNR! I get them mixed up. Raider-ettes / Donkeys.

I swear, they are worse than Eagles and Cowboys' fans! At least their fans make sense most of the time.

To Knowmo:

Who's the big brother now?

And, it's not broken neck!

Unless he wins another Super Bowl and ties his brother!

Knowmo, You take your fantasy stats, We'll take our Super Bowl wins any day.

To those who somehow think Eli is overrated some things to keep in mind.

While Peyton slings the ball all over the field and throws for a S@#t ton of TDs and calls a ton of audibles every play, all Eli does is win FREAKING SB rings. And he does it against the guy or guys (Brady and Belechick) that Peyton seemed to struggle against in big games.

Eli is easily Top 3-5 and Cassel is easily bottom five.

Very simplistic thinking, although I agree with your comment on Cassel.

What part of what I have said is false?

Our defense SUCKED until the Giants played the Jets at the end of the regular season, when Osi and two others defensive players came off the injury list. Canty came back!

Tuck played with a broken shoulder, fingers, hand etc the entire season. There's so much more to the story.

Excuse me for not being more helpful with my answers. I just got home from vacation - and I've been thinking about my favorite race of the year - Daytona.

You can understand, right? :D

I didn't say false, I said simplistic. Peyton has struggled against the Chargers and the Pats in the playoffs. To say Peyton calls audibles and Eli just wins discounts every other variable associated to the game of football.
Simplistic...

That's it! When Peyton loses it is because of someone else and when Eli wins it is the same thing. Question, is Eli better that Rivers?

Ah, thank you, tredadda.

I promise to have more strength tomorrow to go head to head with anybody that thinks Eli is not all that. And, personally, I would not change him for any other quarterback in NFL.

I would rank Eli in one of the top 3 positions - where in the top three - I'll get back to you with the answer.

Answer your own question. It may be difficult since Eli's dinky is placed firmly in your mouth.

Obviously bitter Dolt fan is obviously bitter

I know the answer and I already stated he is Top 3-5. Your turn. Is he better than Rivers?

Dave, are you capable of explaining yor love of Eli in full English sentences? Your defense of his honor is suspect without valid data.

Certainly not statistically.

I've given my opinion.

I'm sorry you're a ****ing moron.

That's the only opinion you've given so far.

Stats aren't everything. Now again is he a better QB? Or better yet if you were the GM of the Chargers and you had a chance at either Eli or Rivers, who do you pick?

So a QB who throws for nearly 5000 yards with a shitty running game is overrated?

He has 2 rings and has been nothing but clutch in the post-season.

He's thrown for more yards than Rivers.

I would take Rivers over Eli especially considering they got draft picks to boot.
You do realize that Eli and his Daddy didn't allow for any other option.
As I understand, the Chargers had Rivers rated higher than Eli and knew the gnats GM would give up a lot to get him.
Rivers is a better QB. He just needs a defense.

I think if Eli's last name was Smith he'd be given more respect. His brother has the stats, he has the bling. It's kind of like the Elway vs. Montana thing. Both awesome QBs but for some reason people argue who is better. Give me any damn one of them :)