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Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:00 PM

So frenchy won't swing at the meatball Scherzer hung over the plate on pitch one, but will swing at the shitty slider in the dirt on pitch 2.

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:01 PM

MULTI COLORED EYES???? SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725740)
So frenchy won't swing at the meatball Scherzer hung over the plate on pitch one, but will swing at the shitty slider in the dirt on pitch 2.

Better not bring up Myers and his 27 home runs.

Demonpenz 07-08-2012 01:02 PM

Scherzer has heterochromia iridum of the eye, which means that one iris is a different color from the other; his right eye is blue and his left eye is brown.[11] On June 12, 2011, the Detroit Tigers distributed a bobblehead doll depicting Scherzer, with the condition correctly portrayed.

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 8725743)
Scherzer has heterochromia iridum of the eye, which means that one iris is a different color from the other; his right eye is blue and his left eye is brown.[11] On June 12, 2011, the Detroit Tigers distributed a bobblehead doll depicting Scherzer, with the condition correctly portrayed.

That's actually pretty cool.

HEY!! Did you know Alexander the Great had multi colored eyes, too? I know, right??

Demonpenz 07-08-2012 01:03 PM

WORK ETHIC.....Salvy jogs down field.

Demonpenz 07-08-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8725747)
That's actually pretty cool.

HEY!! Did you know Alexander the Great had multi colored eyes, too? I know, right??

YOU KNOW WHAT IS PURPLE AND TAKES OVER THE WORLD? ALEXANDER THE GRAPE

BEEEEEEAAAUUUUUTTTTIIIFUL

BWillie 07-08-2012 01:04 PM

HAHAH so where are all the homers at now that said this team was going to be worth a shit this year? 10 years out at the break, probably even worse than last couple years at this time. Same old song and dance, yeah, we have young prospects, but absolutely no pitching to speak of. Because Duffy and Paulino are out next year, this team legitimately needs 5 freaking pitchers.

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 8725750)
YOU KNOW WHAT IS PURPLE AND TAKES OVER THE WORLD? ALEXANDER THE GRAPE

BEEEEEEAAAUUUUUTTTTIIIFUL

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238157980_sc..._explosion.gif

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:06 PM

Time to start looking at trading Hosmer, with Frenchy's contract as part of the deal.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:06 PM

Pfft. Trade Hosmer while his value is at its lowest. reerunation at its finest.

Demonpenz 07-08-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8725752)

haha

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725753)
Time to start looking at trading Hosmer

LMAO

Wow. You cant be serious.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725754)
Pfft. Trade Hosmer while his value is at its lowest. reerunation at its finest.

Ehhh I think you could get something good for him. Unfortunately I think we are seeing what he will be.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8725758)
LMAO

Wow. You cant be serious.

Yes I am... only if we unload Frenchy and his full contract in the same trade. Time to shake things up.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 8725751)
HAHAH so where are all the homers at now that said this team was going to be worth a shit this year? 10 years out at the break, probably even worse than last couple years at this time. Same old song and dance, yeah, we have young prospects, but absolutely no pitching to speak of. Because Duffy and Paulino are out next year, this team legitimately needs 5 freaking pitchers.

Kill yourself

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:10 PM

Who replaces Hosmer? Billy? No thanks.

You don't trade a guy who's only 22 going through a sophomore slump with a ceiling as high as Hosmer's.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725760)
Yes I am

Dumb.

Ass.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:11 PM

Are you high? Hosmer is 22 years old. His swing has lengthened as a result of him pressing. When he shortens it back up and learns how to deal with the adversity he is facing on the Royals, he will be a phenom.

lewdog 07-08-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 8725751)
HAHAH so where are all the homers at now that said this team was going to be worth a shit this year? 10 years out at the break, probably even worse than last couple years at this time. Same old song and dance, yeah, we have young prospects, but absolutely no pitching to speak of. Because Duffy and Paulino are out next year, this team legitimately needs 5 freaking pitchers.

Who are these homers you speak of? Everyone on this board is pretty realistic and most of us said this wasn't our year, although we hoped they would keep it together for a bit longer this year. We also didn't expect to have such pitching injuries. But there is also no excuse for our shitty starting pitching, even with the injuries. Just a shit rotation that was put together.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:13 PM

Salvy!

stonedstooge 07-08-2012 01:14 PM

Perez commits an error to get the final out

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725764)
Are you high? Hosmer is 22 years old. His swing has lengthened as a result of him pressing. When he shortens it back up and learns how to deal with the adversity he is facing on the Royals, he will be a phenom.

Who knows that he will actually ever shorten it back up? People say sophmore slump, I say the great players don't suffer through sophmore slumps like this. I looked at Frank Thomas... yeah he didn't suffer a sophmore slump.

lewdog 07-08-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725759)
Unfortunately I think we are seeing what he will be.

:spock:

Great analysis, he somehow has a great half a season at 21 years of old, but by 22 he has regressed in half a season and he likely is topped out because of it.

stonedstooge 07-08-2012 01:17 PM

I'd rather package Frenchy, Yost, Hudler and Psycho in a trade

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725770)
Who knows that he will actually ever shorten it back up? People say sophmore slump, I say the great players don't suffer through sophmore slumps like this. I looked at Frank Thomas... yeah he didn't suffer a sophmore slump.

Ok, don't call it sophomore slump. Call it bad luck hitting, especially early in the season. He was knocking the cover off the ball, but right at people. Can't remember seeing such bad luck at the plate.

Trading Hosmer would be a monumental ****up. You can NOT spin it any other way and make it believable.

Demonpenz 07-08-2012 01:17 PM

I love hope Coke points the sky

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 8725765)
Who are these homers you speak of? Everyone on this board is pretty realistic and most of us said this wasn't our year, although we hoped they would keep it together for a bit longer this year. We also didn't expect to have such pitching injuries. But there is also no excuse for our shitty starting pitching, even with the injuries. Just a shit rotation that was put together.

Mostly me.

I said they still have a shot since the division was so shitty.

This was when Chicago was leading the division at 3 games over .500

stonedstooge 07-08-2012 01:18 PM

I'm still hoping for a .500 season. Been steady on that all year

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:22 PM

Trading Hosmer would be a bad pr move for the fanbase, but it would be a great baseball move. Get the right guys for him while he still has some value.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725770)
Who knows that he will actually ever shorten it back up? People say sophmore slump, I say the great players don't suffer through sophmore slumps like this. I looked at Frank Thomas... yeah he didn't suffer a sophmore slump.

Hosmer is struggling less than Butler did in his sophomore year.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:22 PM

Hosmer will improve and be a very steady, productive contributor. He will not be a phenom, however. That's a status reserved for Perez (and soon to be Myers).

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:23 PM

You guys are reeruned if you think you can call a players career when he's just 22.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725784)
Hosmer is struggling less than Butler did in his sophomore year.

Incorrect by virtually all offensive metrics.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725786)
You guys are reeruned if you think you can call a players career when he's just 22.

No one is "calling a career" but superstar status is rare, and these types are often self-evident.

arrowheadnation 07-08-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725784)
Hosmer is struggling less than Butler did in his sophomore year.

THIS.

The same could be said for Alex Gordon. We wouldn't even be this down on Hosmer if the team weren't on the cusp of being halfway decent.

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725783)
Trading Hosmer would be a bad pr move for the fanbase, but it would be a great baseball move. Get the right guys for him while he still has some value.

JFC

Ok, give us some names you would expect back for Hosmer. I'm genuinely curious as to who you would go after with Hosmer as trade bait.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:25 PM

Alex Gordon was supposed to be a #3 hitter and a ****ing monster. He never lived up to this billing.

But we're still very glad that he's a Royal. Same will be true for Hosmer.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725788)
No one is "calling a career" but superstar status is rare, and these types are often self-evident.

You don't think he showed any Superstar status last season?

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725787)
Incorrect by virtually all offensive metrics.

Puhlease-
Butler, Pre-allstar break in 2008:
.249 average/.310 obp/15xbh/2 hr

Hosmer, Pre-allstar break in 2012:
.231 average/299 obp/24xbh/9 hr

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725793)
Alex Gordon was supposed to be a #3 hitter and a ****ing monster. He never lived up to this billing.

But we're still very glad that he's a Royal. Same will be true for Hosmer.

At the VERY least, Hosmer is far better than anyone we've had at first in years and years.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725793)
Alex Gordon was supposed to be a #3 hitter and a ****ing monster. He never lived up to this billing.

But we're still very glad that he's a Royal. Same will be true for Hosmer.

I'm not really glad Alice is still on the team.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8725794)
You don't think he showed any Superstar status last season?

I think that true "superstars" tend to hit the ground running. And this year has shown that it's not the case with Hosmer.

And I know all about the Bautistas of the world, but I'm interested in more than a handful of outstanding years when I label someone a true superstar, so there's a bit of semantics going on here.

Someone reference Konerko the other day. If you told me right now that Hosmer would have a Konerko-like career, I would consider that epic win.

Bowser 07-08-2012 01:28 PM

Well, at least we're having a productive conversation and completely ignoring this shit ass game.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:28 PM

You don't think this team has mailed it in this season?

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8725798)
At the VERY least, Hosmer is far better than anyone we've had at first in years and years.

He's below replacement level in the field; the numbers don't lie.

He looks the part, but this year he hasn't been playing the part. Now, I'm not saying he's Kila or Harvey, but I'm just saying...

Not trying to bash him; in fact, I would be looking to sign him long term after this year.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:29 PM

This team has shown far more motivation than any Royals team that I can remember.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725800)
I think that true "superstars" tend to hit the ground running. And this year has shown that it's not the case with Hosmer.

And I know all about the Bautistas of the world, but I'm interested in more than a handful of outstanding years when I label someone a true superstar, so there's a bit of semantics going on here.

Someone reference Konerko the other day. If you told me right now that Hosmer would have a Konerko-like career, I would consider that epic win.

Superstars DO hit the ground running, they don't have Ken Harvey like sophmore years. Hosmer will be really good when he gets to the Yankees.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725804)
I would be looking to sign him long term after this year.

here is something I can agree to. Sign him to a super long-term deal now, while his value is at a low. It might even help take some the pressure off him, knowing that the team has his back.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725809)
This team has shown far more motivation than any Royals team that I can remember.

A little spurt in the 9th inning has been it outside of 2 big innings vs the Blue Jays... this team is rolling over.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725817)
A little spurt in the 9th inning has been it outside of 2 big innings vs the Blue Jays... this team is rolling over.

You are such a troll.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725819)
You are such a troll.

So you think absolutely collapsing to get to their coveted 10 games under mark is not rolling over?

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:36 PM

You think Hudler feels the walls closing in around him? With all this talk of "young star" shit. Until Hosmer is mashing don't refer to him as a young star, refer to him as an average young player.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725822)
So you think absolutely collapsing to get to their coveted 10 games under mark is not rolling over?

:rolleyes:

lewdog 07-08-2012 01:38 PM

Would everyone be ok with me organizing a mass Al Bundy Ignore campaign for all Royals threads?

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:39 PM

I don't know if the team has "collapsed" or not, but 10 games under at the break means that the club is, once again, a complete piece of shit.

The talent is there to turn things around offensively, but this isn't the case with the pitching staff, and Moore deserves as much criticism for the latter as he deserves praise for the former.

gblowfish 07-08-2012 01:41 PM

I would try to sign Hosmer to a longer deal in the off season, like we did with Perez. If Boras won't agree to a deal, trade Hos for starting pitching. We can find a first baseman easier than a starter. Sign Hos while his chips are down and that shows him we have faith in him. If he won't sign, that means he doesn't want to be here anyway.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 8725832)
I would try to sign Hosmer to a longer deal in the off season, like we did with Perez. If Boras won't agree to a deal, trade Hos for starting pitching. We can find a first baseman easier than a starter. Sign Hos while his chips are down and that shows him we have faith in him. If he won't sign, that means he doesn't want to be here anyway.

Gut reaction is not to disagree with this.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:44 PM

Another 1B who struggled a lot in his sophomore year - Jeff Bagwell.

BigMeatballDave 07-08-2012 01:45 PM

Just said they were 37-54 at the break last season.

Raiderhater 07-08-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725809)
This team has shown far more motivation than any Royals team that I can remember.


This. If they were going to "mail it in", they would have done so after the 12 game losing streak.

They have heart. They are just battling a weak starting pitching rotation, injuries, inconsistent play due to youth and flat out inexperience in terms of being a winning franchise. So long as they do not lose their heart and desire (and the club gets some decent pitching) they can work through all of this in the course of the next couple of years.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:46 PM

Give me a break... that isn't "the way the games have gone for Detroit this series". They are winning because they are a better team with better players at every position easily.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725838)
Another 1B who struggled a lot in his sophomore year - Jeff Bagwell.

Hell if Hosmer turns into Bagwell I would be ecstatic.

Jenson71 07-08-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8725844)
Hell if Hosmer turns into Bagwell I would be ecstatic.

No kidding?

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 01:54 PM

I am looking forward to watching Odo and Ventura in a pitching duel.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725838)
Another 1B who struggled a lot in his sophomore year - Jeff Bagwell.

Really?

.273/.368/.444 18HRs 96RBIs and OPS+135

Bagwell was a freaking stud from year one to the time he retired, and his last year was the only one when his OPS+ was below 116.

Hosmer is no Jeff Bagwell.

Al Bundy 07-08-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725863)
Really?

.273/.368/.444 18HRs 96RBIs and OPS+135

Bagwell was a freaking stud from year one to the time he retired, and his last year was the only one when his OPS+ was below 116.

Hosmer is no Jeff Bagwell.

No he isn't I suppose.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725863)
Really?

.273/.368/.444 18HRs 96RBIs and OPS+135

Bagwell was a freaking stud from year one to the time he retired, and his last year was the only one when his OPS+ was below 116.

Hosmer is no Jeff Bagwell.

Bagwell struggled in the first half of the year and turned it on in September to save his year.

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725898)
Bagwell struggled in the first half of the year and turned it on in September to save his year.

Hos's OPS+ is around 85ish, so he would need to go pretty crazy to get to Bagwell levels. If he does, that will be ****ing incredible for the potential long-term health of the club.

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 02:26 PM

Bagwell through July of his sophomore year hit .247 with a .342 obp and had 12 hr/34xbh.

Hosmer, year-to-date, same figures:
.231/.299/9/24

DeezNutz 07-08-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8725923)
Bagwell through July of his sophomore year hit .247 with a .342 obp and had 12 hr/34xbh.

Hosmer, year-to-date, same figures:
.231/.299/9/24

Big difference in OBP.

If Hosmer had the same average but was up significantly in that category, I'd feel differently about his overall projections.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-08-2012 02:27 PM

Al Bundy, the Toad King of the Royals!!!

Nightfyre 07-08-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8725927)
Big difference in OBP.

If Hosmer had the same average but was up significantly in that category, I'd feel differently about his overall projections.

I hope Hosmer works with Seitzer on the break. I suspect with some serious one-on-one time they could reset his strikezone and shorten his swing.

Edit: Also - Bagwell was intentionally walked 9 times in those four months!


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