The guy is not worth it. He is great but has never put together a season like the WRs getting money like that. Outside Dallas or Washington, I don't think there is a team in the league that would pay him that.

Carr is being paid to be the #1 corner in Dallas.

He was not, in spite of our belief that he should be, the #1 corner in KC.

And yes, they each play sides, but Flowers lines up on the side that the opposition #1 receiver generally lines up on.

Look who his QB is lol


How many OC's did he go through again?

Agreed. Flowers is a #1 CB and he's playing along side Ed Reed II in the secondary all you need is a solid #2 CB which Stanford Routt can be.

Look who his QB's have been.

Here are Megatron's career numbers: 366/5842/49

Bowe: 356/4927/36

I think that's very comparable considering he plays in a run-first offense with the likes of Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko throwing him the ball - and considering that CJ is the focal point of the Lions offense, getting a ton of targets a game.

I agree with the guys giving him about 5 yrs, 55 million. I wouldn't go any higher than that.

Bowe has put up some insane stats with crap at QB and a different OC every freaking year. Now I think part of Bowe's monster stats have come from the fact that Cassel can't actually throw the ball to anybody else, since Bowe makes it easier for him. Still, gotta wonder what he would be doing if we still had Green in his better years.

You would have to backload it and expect to kick him to the curb in about the 4th year.

Or with all the cap space you could easily front load the contract.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, kick his over-the-hill 31-year old ass to the curb!

I swear, some of you ****ers don't deserve a player like Bowe. It would be freaking awesome if he played 15 years here.

Am pretty confident right now that Bowe will get paid & be in camp no later than mid way. If anything he will play this season as franchised. Am not going worry about him at the moment. I like the idea of the younger WRs taking reps in his absence & D Bowe will come along just fine as the season approaches. This is not the time hit the panic button just yet. As far as we know they are still in negotiations so both sides will iron it out and Bowe won't get as much as he would like & Pioli will over pay what he would rather pay him. They can meet on middle ground.

In a run-first offense...?


Hell no.


Trade him.

Ty Warren and Richard Seymore IIRC

:facepalm: dear god.

ROFL

Pathetic, ain't it?

I wonder if we could re sign Bobby Wade.

Even with that, no team is going to put up that kind of coin for him other than the owners that spend just because they can.

Neither averaged $10+M a season while with the Patriots.

Seymour signed an extension worth $30 over 3 years, but that was after playing his first 4-5 years on the cheap.

Hooray for a $120M receiver and a noodle arm qb.

Kind of like buying a mustang...but only getting the v6 engine.

Miami will.

So the better course of action is to keep the noodle armed QB and take away his best weapon?

Hmmm. Keep one piece of the puzzle, and find a QB, or get rid of Bowe and need a QB and a Top 8 WR.

let Bowe walk and use the money we save to give Cassel an extension.

This.

Dump Cassel and one of the 5 techs use that money to front load Bowes contract and find a QB.

I hate Big WR. /Donger

Kidding, of course. Although I wouldn't mind trading Bowe for a future first round draft pick with the hope of trading up for a legit QB in next year's draft.

Seriously, what a stupid ****ing debate.

We finally have a legit #1 WR, and we're arguing about whether or not we should keep him? This is Denver-level stupid.

It's the off season.

I know you are not serious but a big **** you anyway. :D

I'm always incredibly worried about Clark's father's money. No matter that Bowe won't see the majority of a back-loaded contract that looks far better on paper than it really is.

We should trade him.

never happen.

Gotta make sure we have the money free to pay our one-dimensional 5-techniques and shitty QB.

FFS. Pay Bowe and be done with it. He is clearly worth the money.

54-5



wow....

I have never saw WR as worth all the shit they cause
most are head cases and very few can back up their egos
would have rather kept Carr
trade his ass to cleveland

:spock:

Obviously, the smart thing to do is get rid of one of your three best players.

Don't forget about the new CBA. Money saved on draft picks is supposed to go to vetern players right?

That's all you need when you're not interested in winning shit.

Pay the man. Brady Quinn is going to make Bowe a Superstar.

Come clean, who voted Yes?

The Jets tried to get Carr to come to NY and they drove the price up to 10 when Dallas was offering 7.5.

Carr said that on nfln after he signed with Dallas.

He said NY and another team made "a comparable offer" but that he never left Dallas.

It's not stupid, dude.

No player is worth a blank check.

Except quarterbacks.

Not my money.

Fitz's contract included about $50M guaranteed. So you'd have to think that Bowe would be less, perhaps in the $35-45M range.

So the actually figure $120-130M is simply window dressing, since the player will never see all of this money. But let's not worry about that inconvenient detail.

Sign the player. Anything else would be ludicrous.

It's stupid because in all honesty, I expect Bowe to end up somewhere where they pay him 10 million a year, all because Pioli wanted to pay him 8.

That's stupid.

Is this being debated?

Even CJ and Fitz aren't worth that kind of money.

I love Bowe, but if he does want that much, then good luck elsewhere.

Doesn't really matter who we have at WR when Cassel is the QB.

I agree. Dan Marino polishes all the Lombardi's nightly.

Hell, Charles was $13M guaranteed, and Pioli has shown an ability to get team-friendly deals, so...

Not really the point.

Fitz
8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31), 2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15), 2014: $12.75 million, 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus), 2016: $15 million, 2017-2018: $14.75 million, 2019: Free Agent

CJ
3/13/2012: Signed an eight-year, $150.5 million contract. The deal contains $60 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus, all of Johnson's base salaries in years one through four, and $9 million of his 2016 salary. 2012: $1.25 million (+ $4.5 million roster bonus), 2013: $5 million (+ $20 million option bonus), 2014: $5 million, 2015: $12.5 million, 2016: $15.95 million, 2017: $16.5 million, 2018: $17 million ($3.5 million guaranteed if team "buys back" final two years), 2019: $18.25 million, 2020: Free Agent

Boo hoo Herm drafted a DT fifth overall and Pioli drafted one at #3.

I'm sure their next contracts will be just as large as the inflated ones from the old CBA.

8/100 with 40 in guarantees would be pushing it. BIG TIME.

No way I'm giving Bowe either of the deals those guys got.

Not even close.

lol, no. If he's demanding that much, he can feel free to get the **** outta here. He's dropped too many balls for Fitz or Johnson & Johnson money. He's good, but not that good.

Calvin Johnson dropped 7 balls last year. Bowe dropped 10.

The year before it was 6 and 8.

Hell, Calvin Johnson once dropped 13 passes in a year.

Isn't it interesting that Pioli had no issues paying Matt Cassel 10 million a year?

And yet, potentially, he won't give the same money to Bowe?

Seems like that's rather unfair.

Pioli can feel free to get the **** outta here.

Pioli has already paid Flowers and Hali really big money and gave DJ and Charles fair market value.

There is nothing to indicate he hasn't been fair in his contract negotiations concerning our players.

The OP isn't about 10 mill a year. 8 years/80 million might be much more palatable.

Agreed.

If he doesn't pay Bowe 10 million a year, though, he's a shitbag.

You have so much artificial hate for Pioli that you are removed from reality in every topic that has anything to do with him.

None of us know Bowes demands and if they are realistic or not.

Yeah but if he lets Bowe walk for nothing that's going to look bad. If a deal can't be reached this year tag Bowe again and hopefully get a draft pick for him.

He signed Brady Quinn to compete at quarterback this offseason.

He drafted a piece of shit Poe.

He brings it on himself.

well, when you look at it that way...lol

All I'm saying is that I have no problem in paying Bowe. He might even be the best WR we've ever had. But he shouldn't get Fitzgerald money or Calvin Johnson money if thats what he is demanding. I'd be totally cool with giving him a $60-70 mill deal, but not any 100 mill deal, no way.

:rolleyes:

You have no idea what Poe is.

Exactly. The difference between what he wants and what the Chiefs want to pay him will be some stupid ass Kevin Curtis type signing each year.

People want to act like its a contract that will hamstring the organization for the next decade, when in reality the extra money for that "blank check" will annually only be the difference between journeyman scrub A, and young scrub B.

Good players hit the open market. It's part of football.

I'm sure the team has a reasonable offer on the table and I think they will get a deal done before the deadline.

If they don't, I think that's more Bowe than Pioli.

So is losing, and we love it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...andon-carr.ece

Jerry Jones admits Cowboys overpaid for cornerback Brandon Carr

The Cowboys needed secondary help, so they went out and signed Chiefs cornerback Brandon Carr to a lucrative $50.1 million deal, with roughly half that money guaranteed. Locking that much money up with one player will almost always lead to questions from Cowboys fans about whether the team overpaid.
But according to DallasCowboys.com writer Rob Phillips, Jerry Jones has already answered that question for fans, admitting that he overpaid for Carr,* before backtracking on his previous statement.
"We know we overpaid to get Carr," Jones said at the NFL meetings. "Not overpay -- we paid retail."

Whether you believe Jones or not, most would agree that the Cowboys locked up money in a position that they desperately need to fill. Cortland Finnegan, another Cowboys free agent target, cost the Rams $50 million ($27 million was guaranteed) -- so maybe the Cowboys did overpay for Carr after all.

So yeah...

For the record, based on the original post, him wanting Megatron money is pure speculation. There's a tweet that says Bowe wants "big" money, and an unrelated tweet that lists Megatrons numbers.

Is there any actual info that says Bowe is asking for a comparable contract?

I don't see them letting Bowe walk, especially with the cap floor coming into place next year.

They also have the cash cap to think about.

The only reason they would let Bowe walk is if his demands are unrealistic.

Are any of those in the end zone that would have won us the game?

Technically yes although most would argue the one Calvin dropped was a bad call.

Brady Quinn was signed to help integrate the playbook and coaching style while pushing Stanzi.

All in all, I still think this is Cassels last stand and that a change will be made to Stanzi sometime this year.

Most likely during game 6.

As for Poe...

If Pioli and Crennel missed on him, that will be the first time they missed on a first round DL.

Seymour
Wilfork
Warren
Jackson

That pick has a.chance to be extremely good.

Pioli has obviously been terrible with the QB situation thus far. As far as everything else roster-wise, not so bad. Especially contract situations. Now he has made a major draft mistake in Jackson(where we got him, he actually isn't bad now as most would agree I imagine). So if you want to use that to judge Poe already ok I guess, although I think that is also using his failure at the QB position to judge him in this debate.

On a full view the QB situation is certainly enough in the end to be his undoing. Thats not what we are looking at here though. Its not about saying should he be here, its about seeing if we think he will do the right thing with Bowe. Considering Jackson was one of his few non-QB mistakes, and that there really haven't been any contract mistakes, I am not really going to throw him under the bus for this. Especially when it hasn't even played out yet.

Now as I said, if one wishes to rip him for future QB moves just based off the past, go ahead. I as well fully expect even more QB mistakes in the future. I figure we can look forward to Matt starting almost no matter what, and that even if he does come out Stanzi won't get the shot. Now certainly that goes on the coach, but it also falls on the GM for blocking the young QB with an average backup, assuming Quinn really hasn't been insanely unlucky so far. I also don't doubt that he won't get rid of Cassel next offseason. But in just trying to figure out how he will handle Bowe, I don't think we allow ourselves a proper guess by letting his QB decisions lead us to our final guess here.

Like you have a clue about evaluating college players ROFL

agreed.

Good points. I do not expect to see Cassel benched this season unless the team is out of the playoffs. I'd expect they go with Brady Quinn next.

Poe should be a good player after a few seasons, he doesn't have much technique right now. For this season, I expect them to use him as a pass rusher DE more than anything.

Dwayne Bowe can negotiate with other teams right now, he can initiate a trade without the "2 first round picks" a franchise tag requires, because he's not actually franchised until he signs the franchise contract.

The Chiefs can still sign Dwayne Bowe to a long term contract. This window is open until the 16th of this month. But, this also means they can trade him for any compensation they choose if they get Bowe to sign a contract other than the franchised type.

From ESPN;

"Deadline for long-term deals: Franchise players have until July 16 to sign their franchise players to long-term contracts. The date is usually July 15, but it is the 16th this year because the 15th falls on a Sunday. Past that date, teams can sign their franchise players only to one-year deals. They cannot reach extensions until after their final regular-season games."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...franchise-tags

I wont be paying a ****ing dime to Bowe and really dont give a shit what they pay him...

He isnt on my financial balance sheet. So he can basically go **** himself...

Never. We are the Patriots of the midwest. Once they get that expensive, we move on.

Uh, a little light in the hardware department to be making that claim. Yeah, it would sure suck to have 3 titles :rolleyes:

He is currently at $9mm for the year. So 8 yrs at his current pay scale would be $72mm

Let's give him a 20-25% raise and we are now at $10.8-$11.25mm or roughly $86-90mm.

That's not even close to $120-130mm

I wouldn't go past $95mm

Does that make sense? If Finnegan got the same deal as Carr, why does the writer say Carr was overpaid?