Neither has won a playoff game, so no sucking thier dicks just yet. They still employ Gun for ****'s sake.

I wanted Stafford so bad in the draft that year. Damn the Lions for out sucking KC that year. Our consolation prize would have been Sanchez. YIPEEEE!!!!

I'd say Detroit is more than slightly ahead of KC.

Why?

Matt Stafford.

Did you forget that you said "or any other legit QB prospect", or was it better for your argument not to mention it again?

It is an excuse.

The fact is, it was reported that the Lions made an offer to the Patriots for Matt Cassel.

Pioli outbid them.

If Pioli, who should have had a better idea of what Matt Cassel really was, stayed away from that trade, and the Lions got Cassel, it's entirely possible that the Chiefs could have traded up to the Lions spot in that draft for Stafford.

So, at the end of the day, there is no excuse.

It kills me that a great % of the fanbase doesn't understand to this day that you have to at least try to draft a FQB.

And no, Clark won't fire Pioli after a(nother) losing, non playoff season.

Say we make the playoffs this year, that gives Pioli a 50% go of making the playoffs as a GM.


Likely if we don't lose our two best players last year for the entire year, we have a good chance of being in the playoffs last year.

I'd say he's done a better job than some around here give him credit for, but he's also had a few colossal **** ups, add to that the fact that he's so stubborn.

So I'm torn on the matter. You aren't going to get good by rebuilding every 4 or 5 years, but you also aren't getting to the level you want if you aren't building right.

Who did we have a chance at?

Yeah you're right though draft position doesn't really matter.

The 2009 Lions, who finished the 2007 season with a perfect 0-16 record were ahead of the Chiefs?

We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.

I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.

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Yeah we could have went Ditka I guess.

Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.

We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?

:facepalm:

I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.

I'm all for drafting a franchise QB if ones available. I don't think it's a good plan to throw 1st round picks against the wall over and over on suspect prospects though.

I think Kevin Whaley former Pittsburgh guy now with Buffalo might be the ideal guy if Pioli fails this year.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited for this season but how the **** can anyone be surprised if we miss the playoffs with cassel daboll and crennel. This is what the greatest GM gets us?

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At the end of the day, an OC is only as good as the talent he's given to work with.This is all on Pioli.

Yep. That's where I fall. Draft, draft, draft until you find The Chosen One.

Pretty much.

Daboll doesnt have a good track record at all but it doesnt really matter if you have solid players that execute well.

Which we have, for the most part, save one position...

Sanchez and Freeman would have failed miserably with the talent we had in 2009. I doubt they'd be much better than Cassel.

Pioli needs to be all in for a QB next April unless Cassel pulls a 2011 Alex Smith to justify him not doing it.

They probably would have failed but that's not the problem.


Say they failed then, now, when our window with the talent we have acquired is to open, we aren't having to groom a young quarterback or hope our manager doesn't **** it up.

I'm not worried about Pioli building the roster. He's done a great job. I have no worry off him replacing Bowe, Hali, DJ with good players via the draft or free agency.

Ok.


Good to know I guess. I don't have a problem thinking he can build the roster. He's done a good job thus far.


His problem is that he did it bass ackwards and didn't get the qb first. Or well, he did, just the wrong one.

Trolls abound !

While I am a believer in "you are what your record says you are" the fine line between 0 - 16 and 2 - 14 isn't worth arguing over.

When I watched the Lions play with Stafford that year and compared what I saw from them with the what I saw from the Chiefs that season, the Lions were quite a bit better.

The Lions were in a tough division then, facing Jared Allen & co plus Aaron Rodgers & co. and the Bears were decent then. The Chiefs were in perhaps the weakest division in the NFL.