oooh a Cassell thread. how exciting

It wasn't going to be much. Just kind of a newish analysis on the same statistics we've been reviewing all offseason (Cassel 3:16, record against playoff teams, record against winning teams, stats against defenses ranked at such and such level, etc).

Go ahead and do your thing. If it's a valuable addition, I'll wait a few more days and post it.

I wasn't planning on reviewing his stats against top defenses, just his terrible downfield passing.

The rest was gonna go in.

Send it to Jamie Dukes and see if he will talk about how shitty Matt is some more.

I think they are going to surprise us this year one way or the other.

:facepalm:

Post another smiley, idiot.

Who has been better?

I thought you said we would stay in the hunt all year?
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Who cares? The Chiefs DL has been an embarrassment to pro football for over a decade and Dorsey hasn't done anything to derail seasonal failure.

Why do you think we've been decent against the run at all the last two seasons?

LMAO

I wouldn't say the last two seasons.

I'd say the 2nd half of last year we appeared to come together (defensively.)

Perhaps that was the loss of power and firing of Haley.

Could have been the younger players (Houston) finally getting their footing.

To even be competitive vs the undefeated Packers was amazing.

To hold them in check and beat them is still hard to comprehend...

The run D has been competitive since the beginning of 2010.

Remember the 49ers game at Arrowhead?

Hey, its the resident reerun.

How about you learn a little something about football, then post. Okay?

I had to laugh at it...

except on passing downs, where he is virtually invisible.

And yet he's still here, and Wallace Gilberry isn't.

This.. just doesn't mean a lot anymore, stopping the run is important, but we paid a very high god damn price with the draft picks (and Jared Allen) for the players on our DL. Outside of one player our pass rush has been shit for a few years now.

Dorsey is good no doubt, just not 5th overall good. And TJax, what a catastrophy...

Btw, for people who don't put a premium on a pass rush in this day of the pass happy NFL, look at the NYG and what a good, consistent pass rush does for you.

Dorsey and TJ are not pass rushers. They are space eaters

So when they're on the field do we tell the other team they have to run the ball only? They were each on the field for about 200 passing plays last year.

The 3-4 is different then 4-3.


Most pressure comes from the LB's in an attempt to confuse the O-Line.

That's why Poe is so important. We've got good edge rushers, and even our secondary and DJ can rush some. If Poe can stay in 3 downs and push the pocket, it should pay off hugely as then it won't matter as much if our run D is out there and they try to pass. Because of Jackson and Dorsey he doesn't have to be a monster run stuffer either, although that would certainly be a positive.

NO,I think we are in for a very good year even though the first part of schedule is tough.

Boom goes the dynamite. 16 more games and that fat POS Dorsey will be in the rear view. Jackson, I'll give his popsicle ass one more year.

Moron.

Hi Dave! Can't wait to see Poe make Dorsey look like the lil panty ass he is when Poe steps into the RDE position this season. Have a great day and do what your momma says -- keep your room clean!

Dorsey is a solid run stopper.

I'll let Clay shred you with his data.

I'll be glad when he's reunited with GUNTHERRRRRRRR!!!1!!

According to PFF, dorsey was rated near the top of the list as far as 3-4 d ends, right with jackson.

Nice try though.

I'm confused by this.

If the Chiefs are playing with a lead, the running game is working.

I don't believe the Chiefs will be getting behind big early in many games.

But whatever happens, if the running game isn't working, then Cassel will struggle mightily to do anything in the passing game.

Every year at this time it's the same old song and dance

Hysteria, optimism, Homerism, 11 to 12 wins only to be followed by reality by week 10

Yes, but the inverse statement isn't necessarily true.

:spock:

Agreed. Enjoy another non winning season out in the Black Butthole.

Crennel stated that the reason he believes that Poe didn't have more success in college is because his college coaches had him moving all over the field to try to plug gaps. In the pros they are going to get him comfortable in one position. He's going to play NT in the standard set and will be inside in sub packages.

Very true, the line should be much better than anything in recent memory & i dont think its even a question of Hillis being more effective than Jones, to me, its a given.

But i see Charles more in the 10-12 carry range, with another 5 or so catches, its hard to see them trying to give him his old workload this year, especially not right away... and i dont see him hitting 6ypc this year.

We'll have a winning record this season and probably win the division.

Generally the team with the worst QB in the division doesn't win the division.

The 2011 Denver Broncos said Hi

Derek Wolfe played every position on the DL last year and had 21.5 TFL's and 9.5 sacks.

Denver didn't do things conventionally. The Chiefs are as conventional as it gets. Tebow was excellent at what he was asked to do.

I agree. We have all the pieces this season to win the division. OL is solid now and the D-line is soild. Running game should be back to top ten and our Wr's are a solid group. Defensively we have studs at key positions. Our questions are Charles, Berry and Tony returning back to form and of course our often up and down QB but is there any doubt we got better? We definitely got better.

We can take this divison. I am an not buying the Manning hype at all. 36, 4 neck surguries, did not played in 2011 and now he has a new team to get to know not to mention theie schedule looks pretty damn hard. I am afraid they will be very disappointed in Denver. SD did not improve that I can see and in fact I'd say they got weaker just like the Faiders.
Too many lost players.

!

Maybe so but I think the rest of the team is good enough to overcome poor-average QB play. Plus I'm not sold on the rest of the division. I believe the worst we'll do is split with the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers.

Cassel>Manning

ROFL

What the hell bet did HE lose?

ROFL

I already forgot. Probably something stupid like McGahee would rush for 2500 yards or some shit.

Six wins would be the absolute floor for this team.

UNPROVEN TALENT
SHITTY QB
SHITTY HC
SHITTY OC

SIX WINS, GUARANTEED

I think 6-10 was around what I predicted. I think 8-8 is the ceiling.. first 6 games will basically tell us all we need to know about how the rest of the season will go / what the record will be like etc.

Well the Chiefs sure do have a golden opportunity coming outta the gate to shock the world and prove everybody wrong

Falcons
Bills
Saints
Chargers
Ravens

personally I htink the only game we win in the first 6 is against the Falcons.

The Chiefs are a fairly average team meaning 8-8 is about right but, a small handful of plays where the ball just bounces the right or wrong direction could easily make them 6-10 or 10-6. I would call the division a crapshoot and would not be shocked to see any of the teams come in first or last. Manning is the wildcard in the mix. If 85% as good as he once was Denver should win but, he is no spring chicken, has had neck surgery, and could easily be done for the season after a few weeks.

I'm sure in this thread it's been brought up, and maybe answered, but why are so many people here dead sure the Chiefs will finish one game worse than last year, assuming the heathy return of the injured players, plus the key additions? Is it all just hard schedule talk? If so, isn't it pretty much a given year in and year out that you can't predict which games are going to be hard and which games are easy? Last year before the season everyone was wringing their hands over the gauntlet of impossible games late in the season, and even with no running game, and Palko staring three of them we won two and almost another.

I don't see how this team is worse than last year, schedule aside. I think 7-9 has to be the starting point for the floor, just because I can't see any argument that this team is worse than last years team, heck, before the season and the injuries happened last year the en vogue thing to say was that the Chiefs might finish 8-8, 7-9.

Like it's been said in this thread, we played some pretty shitty qb's last year, that we likely won't play again this year.


The injuries coming back will make a difference, but so will not playing shitty qbs.

So our D can't make a good QB have a bad day?

As I see it we play five games against QBs that can win games by themselves, and I'm including Newton, but not Rivers, we've played him enough, and beaten him, that I don't think our D is in awe of him.

Most important thing you forgot?

Not playing the NFC West this year.

I'm sorry, but you're nuts

nuts as though we'll go higher than 8 wins?

or the other way around?

8 win ceiling. You can still win 10-12 games with a great D and running game which I believe they have both. Super Bowl...nope, but games yep.

IMO I believe there will be several games where the opposinvg defense is just going to beg Cassel to throw it.
I think there will be several games where we'll be down 13-0, by the end of 1st quarter; forcing to get away from the run a bit.
Overall, I just think teams will do everything in their power to force Cassel/Chiefs to pass the ball etc.
Chiefs turning over the ball will be huge this year.

I thought this douchebag was banned.

he most definitely does NOT crack me up.

10 wins. I'm sticking to it.

Of course they are going to be on the field for every play other than for a breather. They are are STARTING DE's. They know thier assignments no matter down and distance.
On running places they are more space eaters trying to clog running lanes. On passing downs they are suppose to open lanes for out LB corp to rush the passer.
Derrick Johnsons best year has a lot to do with our DE's playing good and being rated close to the top in the league.

Dorsey and TJax come out for more than just a breather, when we can adjust to a sub package and play the pass, they are instantly taken out.

he's talking about when Dorsey and TJax get caught in a 34 base package and the other team passes on us in that package to get the mismatch, because they know both of them can't rush the passer or bring the heat like what we do in a nickel or sub.

They are essentially 2 down players in this defense.

I don't recall it that way at all.
I wish I could find out how many snaps at DE our backups Bailey and Gilberry played in games last season. Bet the number is low.

I'll say 10 wins as well. And a first round thumping by Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

6 wins and a contract extension for CAssel.

:facepalm:

Yes if a rash of starting QB injuries besiege the teams on our schedule again, we can probably put 7-9 as "the floor."

Chances of that happening two years in a row are very good!

We have the toughest schedule we've had in a while. That being said we are an improved team all the way around. The biggest intangible is no more Haley. Not sayin Romeo is a god but the total unorganization Haley provided won't be missed at all. I think just a more organized and focused team will be a huge step in the right direction. Last year Haley showed how clueless he really was. With the shortened off-season we heard nothing but "we have to get these guys in football shape". Ok, so did every other team. And while Haley worried about yoga other teams were practicing football. While Haley was holdin out starters in the pre-seaon early, other teams were playing their starters to get them ready. Point being Haley wanted to play the parent and other teams expected their players to be pros and play reagardless of the off-season issues.

Thus our total lack of organzation the first few games. Also i expect to see Albert put some weight back on that Haley made him lose. I think that hurt more than helped.

All in all we have a better coach though it is yet to be seen how much better.

:facepalm:


What QBs could we have faced last year that we dodged? Cutler, Manning....and...

Why not bring up we're a different team as well. Just for that, here's another one of these,

:facepalm:

PLENTY OF PROVEN TALENT
SHITTY QB ALREADY HAS WON TEN GAMES AND ELEVEN GAMES ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN
SHITTY HC IS NOT NECESSARILY SHITTY. BELICHICK AND MARTY BOTH WERE SHITTY IN CLEVELAND.
SHITTY OC

GUARANTEEING ANYTHING IS reerunED. I GUARANTEE IT.

Campbell instead of Boller (Campbell was good enough to sweep us in 2010).

Tebow instead of Orton.

Yeah, because other teams didn't improve. Only the Chiefs.

Clearly that means we will lose 14 games then.

:facepalm:

No one has ever said that.

Campbell and Orton?

Yeah, I'm glad we dodged those back ups.

We started three games with a QB that can't get a sniff as a third stringer! Even Caleb Hanie landed somewhere.

Some team we'll be playing will be better than last year, some won't, I'll put us in the got better file.

Its very easy to say your team is gonna suck.

If you're wrong, so what?

Your team wins and you don't care that you were wrong.

Yeah a person can make a choice to either have hope or despair.
You can have dispair and if you are wrong you feel better then.
You can have hope and when you are correct you have gotten to enjoy everything.

Same old thing. A person can either be positive by nature or negative by nature.

Is Falco starting 5 games again? Because hell Pitt was ripe for the picking if he wasn't playing catch with thier DBs.