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beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880357)
Charles, and Hillis, and Draughn, who you will want to take out, but had several good carries.

Hillis 5.7 YPC.
Charles 4.9 YPC.
Elite numbers.
Way to try and skew in Draughn's 3.9 YPC to try and support your argument.

FAIL!!

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8880372)
Hillis 5.7 YPC.
Charles 4.9 YPC.
Elite numbers.
Way to try and skew in Draughn's 3.9 YPC to try and support your argument.

FAIL!!

Well, whatever.

Charles and Hillis did not average 5 YPC against Seattle and St. Louis.

This running attack has not looked like a top running attack.

And in our most important preseason game it didn't even look good.

beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:04 PM

LOL at you.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 02:04 PM

You're the one calling this an "elite" running attack when it looked like SHIT in TWO preseason games. The two MOST important preseason games.

LOL at you, homer.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 02:07 PM

Spinning like a top

beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880380)
Well, whatever.

Charles and Hillis did not average 5 YPC against Seattle and St. Louis.

This running attack has not looked like a top running attack.

And in our most important preseason game it didn't even look good.

BS!

Hillis was running all over the Fn Pack.

beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880384)
You're the one calling this an "elite" running attack when it looked like SHIT in TWO preseason games. The two MOST important preseason games.

LOL at you, homer.

Neither Hillis nor Charles looked like shit at any point during the PS. Keep spinning. LOL.

beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:12 PM

Love how you tried to throw in Draughn who has the lowest ypc of any back on the roster. Hilarious.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8880404)
Love how you tried to throw in Draughn who has the lowest ypc of any back on the roster. Hilarious.

Do you want me to take out Draughn's 1st-team carries against Seattle and St. Louis?

If so, you get this:

16 carries, 59 yards.

Yes, the average IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME when you take out Draughn's carries with the first team.

This was not close to an elite running game this preseason. It looked real good against Arizona. Other than that you're grasping at straws.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 02:26 PM

NFC West stats don't count anyway. Can't believe someone who follows football like you do takes any of those preseason games with more than a grain of salt.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8880401)
Neither Hillis nor Charles looked like shit at any point during the PS. Keep spinning. LOL.

Hillis had SEVEN CARRIES FOR 10 YARDS in two of the preseason games.

I like what he did in the 1st and 4th games but...come on.

It is a real stretch to say this running attack is elite.

They might be...but no evidence for it yet.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 02:29 PM

Can't wait till the team takes Charles off the field in a crucial 3rd and 5 to run a draw with Draughn just to get him work!!!

beach tribe 09-05-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880434)
Do you want me to take out Draughn's 1st-team carries against Seattle and St. Louis?

If so, you get this:

16 carries, 59 yards.

Yes, the average IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME when you take out Draughn's carries with the first team.

This was not close to an elite running game this preseason. It looked real good against Arizona. Other than that you're grasping at straws.

In "the most important Pre-season game" Hillis had 6 carries for 46 yards for a 7.7 ypc average. That's grasping at straws Huh? No, That's elite numbers.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 02:50 PM

game 4 is the LEAST important game.

The reality with this team is that the running game looked pretty good in two games, but they were the least important preseason games, that indicate less towards the regular season.

In games two and three, which ALWAYS correlate more closely to regular season games, the team looked really average running the ball.

I would say right now the best read on the running game is that it will be decent. There is certainly no way you can look at preseason and say we were an elite running team.

Part of the problem with our offense in game three, and why Cassel looked so shitty, was because we weren't running the ball well. That's not a good sign in the MOST IMPORTANT PRESEASON GAME.

beach tribe 09-05-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880490)
game 4 is the LEAST important game.

The reality with this team is that the running game looked pretty good in two games, but they were the least important preseason games, that indicate less towards the regular season.

In games two and three, which ALWAYS correlate more closely to regular season games, the team looked really average running the ball.

I would say right now the best read on the running game is that it will be decent. There is certainly no way you can look at preseason and say we were an elite running team.

Part of the problem with our offense in game three, and why Cassel looked so shitty, was because we weren't running the ball well. That's not a good sign in the MOST IMPORTANT PRESEASON GAME.

Whether we win or lose, Charles and Hillis are going to piss pound Atlanta on the ground.
Who do you believe are the top rushing attacks in the NFL?

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8880545)
Whether we win or lose, Charles and Hillis are going to piss pound Atlanta on the ground.

Atlanta has one of the top run defenses in football, or at least they did last season. #6

I'd be surprised if we had much over 100 yards rushing Sunday. We're gonna be passing trying to catch up.

O.city 09-05-2012 03:52 PM

Didn't Atlanta lose one of, if not their best defensive player?

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 04:32 PM

They've won 43 games in 4 years.

Losing Curtis Lofton isn't going to kill them.

O.city 09-05-2012 04:34 PM

Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

007 09-05-2012 04:38 PM

did everyone forget this is a pessimistic thread. Clay seems to be the only one following the format now. LMAO

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880728)
Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

Only if it's the Chiefs

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880724)
They've won 43 games in 4 years.

Losing Curtis Lofton isn't going to kill them.

They lost at Pittsburgh in their opener with Charlie Batch at QB.

They lost in Chicago in their opener the year before that.

They lose in the playoffs every year. They choke in big games.

Mike Smith and matt Ryan choke on the road quite a bit.

The Falcons are not as good outside.

They have never won at Arrowhead.

They played an easy schedule last year.

They lost to Chicago, Tampa, and Houston - all were running teams last year

They fired their defensive coordinator

Their third string LB is starting and he has already had a concussion.

They run the nickel package 75% of the time.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880728)
Got it.


Losing arguably your best defensive player and leading tackler won't hurt your defense?

Curtis Lofton was not their best player.

Hell, he was the 16th rated ILB on PFF.

The facts have defeated your weak troll.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:03 PM

Who is their best defensive player then?


Not their leading tackler?

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:06 PM

If you put any stock in PFF, the best players on Atlanta's defense last year:

John Abraham
Sean Weatherspoon
Brent Grimes
Jonathan Babineaux
William Moore
Stephen Nicholas
Curtis Lofton

Adding Samuel, who was one of the highest-rated corners, was a good addition.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:07 PM

Oooh I do like Spoon, he's a good player. William Moore too.

No sarcasm actually.

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Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880857)
Oooh I do like Spoon, he's a good player. William Moore too.

No sarcasm actually.

I bet Spoon shadows Charles in this game. Gonna be interesting to see if Cassel starts dumping him the ball blindly when shit goes south, or actually reads the D.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:13 PM

Moore isn't a coverage guy, IIRC, more of a box SS?

O.city 09-05-2012 05:14 PM

Falcons were worst against the run this preseason than the Chiefs.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-05-2012 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 8878282)
I'm bored of the "Cassel sucks".

Then maybe he should stop sucking.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880892)
I bet Spoon shadows Charles in this game. Gonna be interesting to see if Cassel starts dumping him the ball blindly when shit goes south, or actually reads the D.

Charles and McCluster will wear him out. Spoon got better last year but now he has to run the defense. He's just not Curtis Lofton. I think their defense will be soft.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880829)
Curtis Lofton was not their best player.

Hell, he was the 16th rated ILB on PFF.

The facts have defeated your weak troll.

No but he was definately their best player in run defense. Essentially, they traded him for Samuel, who is not good in run defense. Lofton is underrated.

You gotta be careful with PFF. They are flawed in alot of ways.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-05-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planetman (Post 8880868)


Speaking of which, has Cassel had his tubes tied yet?

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880927)
No but he was definately their best player in run defense. Essentially, they traded him for Samuel, who is not good in run defense. Lofton is underrated.

You gotta be careful with PFF. They are flawed in alot of ways.

BlackBob telling me PFF is flawed. That's rich.

According to them, their best run defender was Sean Weatherspoon.

Lofton was good, but hardly elite or anything.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880893)
Moore isn't a coverage guy, IIRC, more of a box SS?

I think we will own him. He has been a huge disappointment. He has hardly seen the field. Especially if we can get him lined up with a TE or McCluster.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880916)
Charles and McCluster will wear him out. Spoon got better last year but now he has to run the defense. He's just not Curtis Lofton. I think their defense will be soft.

He's still playing OLB you mental midget.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880936)
BlackBob telling me PFF is flawed. That's rich.

According to them, their best run defender was Sean Weatherspoon.

Lofton was good, but hardly elite or anything.

I'm not saying they aren't useful. However, not everything can be based on stats. Also, who is recording their stats???? Because they aren't official by any means.

Lofton was elite and he was good. I would be suprised if a Falcon fan told you Spoon was better in run defense than Lofton was. It just doesn't seem that way at all. People down here were much higher on Lofton than Spoon. However, perception isn't reality.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:29 PM

Moore is the starting SS, how does he hardly see the field.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880938)
He's still playing OLB you mental midget.

I know but he's calling the plays and is the captain of the defense. He has the speaker in his helmet this season. Like I said, they will be running the nickel most of the time.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:30 PM

Spoon is a sideline to sideline guy, but I don't see him as a big run stuffer.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880952)
Moore is the starting SS, how does he hardly see the field.

Until now. He couldn't get past some sorry safeties on the depth chart over the past few years. They signed Chris Hope because they don't have much faith in him.

O.city 09-05-2012 05:33 PM

We obviously are gonna run the ball and go with the PA pass for the most part. Who should we run at? Where are they week on D?

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880949)
Lofton was elite and he was good.

Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8880965)
We obviously are gonna run the ball and go with the PA pass for the most part. Who should we run at? Where are they week on D?

Well, Peria Jerry was not good against the run last year.

But I read something the other day from Falcons fan, on falcoholic.com I think, about him being improved this preseason.

He's a young player who didn't play much until last season.

The rest of their D is pretty good against the run. Both DEs, both OLB. Safeties are fine.

Akeem Dent is unproven at MLB so we'll see.

O.city 09-05-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8881013)
Well, Peria Jerry was not good against the run last year.

But I read something the other day from Falcons fan, on falcoholic.com I think, about him being improved this preseason.


He's a young player who didn't play much until last season.

The rest of their D is pretty good against the run. Both DEs, both OLB. Safeties are fine.

Akeem Dent is unproven at MLB so we'll see.


Some here say the same thing about Baldwin.

O.city 09-05-2012 06:06 PM

Looking at the Falcons roster, they don't have alot of depth. But they have alot of really good starters, and a really good qb to make up for it.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8881073)
Some here say the same thing about Baldwin.

Yes, well, not so much based on preseason.

O.city 09-05-2012 06:08 PM

Falcons got run all over during the preseason.

O.city 09-05-2012 06:10 PM

I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8881116)
I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

That's what Romeo has always done.

Especially against explosive offenses.

O.city 09-05-2012 06:36 PM

IF we are actually healthy, with this group we could possibly get away with doing that, especially with Berry. But with the Falcons skill guys it will be tough.


It might actually be a good idea to drop 8, try to force the Falcons hand into throwing the ball underneath, come up and make the tackle and hope to get stops.

Chiefnj2 09-05-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8881116)
I'm wondering without Hali, how we rush the passer. We can't just continuously drop 8 into coverage.

Let Powe and Poe 1 gap and penetrate.

O.city 09-05-2012 07:36 PM

It would be great if Poe, Powe, and Jackson (just a bit isn't too much to ask) could rush the hell out of Ryan.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880981)
Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

I'm sorry. "I was trying to say he wasn't elite and he was good." That was a typo.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8880981)
Not according to the world's foremost NFL ratings site.

BOTH of Atlanta's safeties are fine in run support. They're gonna be fine.

Well, they looked like shit at training camp on the day I was there. I guess we'll see.

Jerry did look good and he has improved.

Best thing I saw was Jones vs. Gimes in one on ones. They split about 50/50. Grimes is amazing and can cover big guys.

Harry Douglas was very good. He was beating all three of their best corners. I think he will be a mismatch for Arenas.

Dent was very good at Georgia but he's a special teamer.

It was a fun day. We went for family day. Everything was free... I'm not really a Falcons fan but it was fun.

The Falcons defense has been soft all preseason. They are not playing the run well.


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