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Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8912488)
Elvis literally stole his entire act so I'll go with the Beatles.
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Stole from...?

Tombstone RJ 09-15-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8912485)
I think music just evolves. There has always been music. Great musicians come along and it just evolves naturally.

First the Beatles, I mean they pretty much have to be at the top. No other music group has produced a more solid and diverse library in such a short amount of time. They defined 60's culture.

The you have Miles Davis and Elvis Presley changing the game the way it's performed.

Then Bob Dylan comes along and makes it about sending a message.

Then you got Chuck Berry rocking out the guitar

The Rolling Stones of course.

Michael Jackson is def the most influential in pop culture.

Then of course Nirvana evolving rock for the whole 90's

Then Nickelback being the top 2000's band, making people think that music is dead and making people really appreciating 90's and older rock.

There's simply too much great music out there (and way more crapola) to break it down into simple statements like your's above. When you've been a fan of rocknroll for as long as I have and have listened to as much music as I have over the years (and seen as many live performances) it just is not that simple.

Tombstone RJ 09-15-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912493)
Stole from...?

well Forest Gump of course! :banghead:

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 8912498)
well Forest Gump of course! :banghead:

LMAO

In58men 09-15-2012 06:28 PM

He's one of my favorite artists'. The guy has 59 #1 songs. It's crazy what he has done for country. Mr George Strait.


2009 Academy of Country Music Artist of the Decade
2009 Grammy Awards Best Country Album - Troubadour
2008 Country Music Association Album of the Year - Troubadour
2008 Country Music Association Single of the Year - "I Saw God Today"
2007 Country Music Association Album of the Year - It Just Comes Natural (Two Trophies: Artist, and Producer)
2007 Country Music Association Song of the Year - "Give It Away" (Awarded to Songwriter Jamey Johnson)
2006 Country Music Hall of Fame Inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame
2006 Honorary Doctoral Degree Doctor of Humane Letters presented by Texas State University–San Marcos
2005 Country Music Association Musical Event of the Year - "Good News, Bad News" (with Lee Ann Womack)
2003 Special Award National Medal of Arts
2003 Academy of Country Music Special Achievement Award (in recognition of 50 No.*1 Songs)
2003 CMT 40 Greatest Men of Country Music Ranked No.*9
2002 Country Weekly Favorite Collaborative Song - "Designated Drinker" (with Alan Jackson)
2001 Country Music Association Song of the Year - "Murder On Music Row" (Awarded to Songwriters)
2000 Country Music Association Vocal Event of the Year - "Murder On Music Row" (with Alan Jackson)
2000 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards Album of the Year - Always Never The Same
2000 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards*** Entertainer of the Year
2000 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards Male Artist of the Year
2000 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards Single of the Year - "Write This Down"
2000 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards Impact Artist of the Year
1999 Country Weekly / TNN/CMT Music Awards Album of the Year - One Step At A Time
1999 Country Weekly Golden Pick Awards Favorite Enteratiner
1999 Country Weekly Golden Pick Awards Favorite Male Artist
1999 Country Weekly Golden Pick Awards Favorite Video Enteratiner
1999 Country Weekly Golden Pick Awards Favorite Line Dance Song - "I Just Want To Dance With You"
1999 Country Weekly Golden Pick Awards Favorite Song - "I Just Want To Dance With You"
1998 Radio & Records Best Male Vocalist
1998 American Music Awards Favorite Country Album - Carrying Your Love With Me
1998 American Music Awards Favorite Country Male Artist
1998 Country Music Association Male Vocalist of the Year
1996 Billboard Most Played Artist (All Genres of Music)
1997 Radio & Records Best Male Vocalist
1997 Radio & Records Best Album - Blue Clear Sky
1997 Academy of Country Music Album of the Year - Carrying Your Love With Me
1997 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist
1997 American Music Awards Favorite Country Album - Blue Clear Sky
1997 Country Music Association Album of the Year - Carrying Your Love With Me
1997 Country Music Association Male Vocalist of the Year
1997 TNN/Music City News Album of the Year - Blue Clear Sky
1996 Billboard Top Country Artist
1996 Radio & Records Most Valuable Performer
1996 Radio & Records Best Male Vocalist
1996 Radio & Records Best Single - "Check Yes Or No"
1996 Academy of Country Music Album of the Year - Blue Clear Sky
1996 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist
1996 Country Music Association Male Vocalist of the Year
1996 Country Music Association Album of the Year - Blue Clear Sky
1996 Country Music Association Single of the Year - "Check Yes Or No"
1996 Music City News Country Single of the Year - "Check Yes Or No"
1996 TNN/Music City News Album of the Year - Lead On
1996 TNN/Music City News Single of the Year - "Check Yes Or No"
1996 TNN/Music City News Video of the Year - "Check Yes Or No"
1995 ASCAP Voice Of Music Award
1995 Academy of Country Music Single of the Year - "Check Yes Or No"
1993 ACM Tex Ritter Movie Of The Year - Pure Country
1991 American Music Awards Favorite Country Male Artist
1990 Radio & Records Country Performer Of The Year
1990 Country Music Association Entertainer of the Year
1989 Special Presidential American Success Award
1989 Academy of Country Music Entertainer of the Year
1989 Special Connie B. Gay Award
1989 Country Music Association Entertainer of the Year
1988 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist
1987 Billboard Top Country Artist
1986 Billboard Top Country Artist
1986 Country Music Association Male Vocalist of the Year
1986 Music City News Country Male Artist of the Year
1985 Academy of Country Music Album of the Year - Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind
1985 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist
1985 Country Music Association Album of the Year - Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind
1985 Country Music Association Male Vocalist of the Year
1984 Academy of Country Music Top Male Vocalist

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 8912503)
He's one of my favorite artists'. The guy has 59 #1 songs. It's crazy what he has done for country. Mr George Strait.


Ya know we have a country music repository thread here and it celebrates that kind of stuff. You should drop in now and then.

:D

King George leads the world in #1's. Conway Twitty is a close second.

-King- 09-15-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912493)
Stole from...?

Chuck Berry and other black rock and roll artists. Elvis was the product of Sam Philips taking the "black sound" and marketing it to a white audience.

AustinChief 09-15-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8912472)
It was their innovation that changed the direction of music.

A song like "She's Leaving Home" was groundbreaking and introduced the idea that musical instruments just making noise is music.

Now it's all just ****ing noise.

Well I certainly disagree about that song being "noise" but nothing on that song was innovative. Maybe it was the first example you know of, but it certainly wasn't unique to popular music at the time.

That same year you had the Moody Blues album Days of Future Passed... before that you had (as already mentioned) the Beach Boys and Phil Spector pushing this sound.

You also had "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" by the Walker Brothers... a number of hits by The Zombies and one of my favorites.. The Left Banke.

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Baby Lee 09-15-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 8912483)
Hence why I said it could be argued "as they matured"... although by that time they weren't really pushing an envelope that hadn't already been pushed by bands like The Beach Boys with multi-track recording and Phil Spector with his wall of sound. Even Paul McCartney admits that a ton of what came out on Sgt Peppers was inspired by Good Vibrations.

They simply weren't very ground breaking. Again, top 50 in the 20th century in that regard... maybe.

Google the story about how Rubber Soul drove Brian Wilson.

And I see your differentiation between influence and innovation, I can't credit the Beach Boys with widespread influence as, aside from an era of surf music that they influenced and were influenced by, they pretty much stand on an island alone. You'd be hard pressed to come up with a large list that you'd label 'Beach Boys 2.0,' or 'Beach Boys of 80s/90s/some other subgenre' If something sounds like the Beach Boys, 9 times out of 10 is IS the Beach Boys, or offshoot project.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8912510)
Chuck Berry and other black rock and roll artists. Elvis was the product of Sam Philips taking the "black sound" and marketing it to a white audience.

Is that what he was doing when he started as a country artist? Elvis just had soul.

AustinChief 09-15-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912512)
Google the story about how Rubber Soul drove Brian Wilson.

I know it... but that is "inspire" not innovate. Yes, I know I am changing the direction and defining my own terms.

Nothing about Rubber Soul was particularly new, Brian just felt it was "complete" so he wanted to make his own complete album with all top quality songs. While accomplishing that he also pushed the envelope in the way music was recorded and layered.

lewdog 09-15-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8912485)
Then Nickelback being the top 2000's band, making people think that music is dead and making people really appreciating 90's and older rock.

ROFL

So true. These guys ****ing blow and I have no idea why anyone listens to their shit. Just disgusting and why I live with my 90's rock music.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 8912526)
ROFL

So true. These guys ****ing blow and I have no idea why anyone listens to their shit. Just disgusting and why I live with my 90's rock music.

FWIW Nicklebacks first couple albums had some actual writting and some actual meaning to many of their songs. I hate the way they've gone since that too.

Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912307)
The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Debergs prog rock thread started me thinking and I thought it was a fairly easy choice until I talked to a few others about it and looked up some numbers. Now it seems like a toss up... although I know what my original gut feeling was.

The Beatles...
Best selling band in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
22 #1 singles world wide
7 grammys
10 films

Elvis Presley
Best selling solo act in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
36 #1 singles
3 grammys
33 films

Of course there is plenty of other criteria. What say you though?

Im gonna have to go Beatles with this one. Love me some Elvis, but he didnt really write his songs did he? Plus, if he wouldnt have existed, some other white boy would have brought rythm and blues to the masses eventually.

BigMeatballDave 09-15-2012 06:50 PM

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Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 06:50 PM

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Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 06:51 PM

BTW, this should have been a Beatles Vs. Beach Boys thread since McCartney has stated thats who he felt he was trying to compete with. : )

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912367)
Child please, both are great technicians, but they aren't influences. They extended the zietgiest, but they didn't revolutionize it. No noticeable segment of the population wakes up wanting to dress, create, eat, live, play like them, not on the level of the Beatles and Elvis. Madonna and Lady Gaga are frankly ahead of them on those terms, though they're still behind the big two.

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912431)
Putting up a top 10, just for kicks, and purely off the cuff

Beatles
Michael Jackson
Madonna
Elvis

Bob Dylan
Nirvana [time limited, but huge temporary impact]
NWA
Woodie Guthrie
Black Sabbath
Johnny Cash

I're and ideiot.

TBH, though. I'm struggling with gauging Madonna's influence teetering between a mean old white man undervaluing her, and a guilt-laden old white man overvaluing her, all along unable to place myself in the shoes of those of the fairer sex she influenced.

BigMeatballDave 09-15-2012 06:51 PM

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rico 09-15-2012 06:51 PM

Who is the most influential musical artist in history?

You guessed it,

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Bugeater 09-15-2012 06:52 PM

This guy practically invented rock 'n' roll.

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AustinChief 09-15-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912547)
For AustinChief

I have that tape somewhere! Damn, I haven't actually heard that song in ages though.. nice one.

In58men 09-15-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912553)
This guy practically invented rock 'n' roll.

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Buck Owens. Our hometown hero.

lewdog 09-15-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912532)
FWIW Nicklebacks first couple albums had some actual writting and some actual meaning to many of their songs. I hate the way they've gone since that too.

I will admit, their album "the state" was ok. Pretty shitty after that and just down right horrible today with what they put out.

Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 06:57 PM

Chicks dig the Nickelback. If you dig chicks, you have to dig on sum Nickelback.

rico 09-15-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8912567)
Chicks dig the Nickelback. If you dig chicks, you have to dig on sum Nickelback.


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This vid makes me dig Portugal a little bit.... I like their style.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8912548)
BTW, this should have been a Beatles Vs. Beach Boys thread since McCartney has stated thats who he felt he was trying to compete with. : )

If the Beach Boys were in the mix with the 2 biggest artists of all time they would have been.

:)

In58men 09-15-2012 07:03 PM

No love for CCR?

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 8912557)
I have that tape somewhere! Damn, I haven't actually heard that song in ages though.. nice one.

Heh nice... I have the cassette and the cd that I bought many years later. Seriously that's one of my favorite songs.

Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 07:06 PM

I think i still have my Eddie and the Cruisers 2 CD somewhere.

-King- 09-15-2012 07:09 PM

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Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 8912563)
I will admit, their album "the state" was ok. Pretty shitty after that and just down right horrible today with what they put out.

I liked "Silver Side Up" and "All The Right Reasons" too. Since then it's just formula "come **** me" music.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 8912580)
No love for CCR?

I think you just gave them love. Good band... not really a huge influence especially in comparison to The Beatles and Elvis.

I see the bathroom on the right though.

Bugeater 09-15-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8912567)
Chicks dig the Nickelback. If you dig chicks, you have to dig on sum Nickelback.

I've been married for 19 years. **** Nickelback.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912606)
I've been married for 19 years. **** Nickelback.

I'm willing to bet your lovely wife liked some stupid shit music when you married her... and likely still does.

:)

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912616)
I'm willing to bet your lovely wife liked some stupid shit music when you married her... and likely still does.

:)

Had a HS GF who was rabid for Def Leppard, had one in college who went to her fainting couch every time the strains of REM were in the air. Neither situation deterred me from seeking the nappy dugout.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912627)
Had a HS GF who was rabid for Def Leppard, had one in college who went to her fainting couch every time the strains of REM were in the air. Neither situation deterred me from seeking the nappy dugout.

I like a lot of Def Leppard and most REM myself... but I won't pretend they are in the discussion. A woman I nearly married thinks the world begins and ends with Def Leppard. I didn't hold it against her then and I don't now.

I love all kinds of music. I really appreciate the good stuff but I think the popular stuff has a place too and like a lot of it. I just want music to speak to me no matter what it is.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912659)
I like a lot of Def Leppard and most REM myself... but I won't pretend they are in the discussion. A woman I nearly married thinks the world begins and ends with Def Leppard. I didn't hold it against her then and I don't now.

I love all kinds of music. I really appreciate the good stuff but I think the popular stuff has a place too and like a lot of it. I just want music to speak to me no matter what it is.

I don't think either are particularly bad, just at a loss to find them passion inducing. In both situations there were broad swaths of music I found vastly superior at that time [was a huge AC/DC, Nazareth, Sabbath, Metallica fan around the HS GF, and a huge Nirvana, GnR, NWA, Beastie Boys fan with the College GF].

Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912659)
I like a lot of Def Leppard and most REM myself... but I won't pretend they are in the discussion. A woman I nearly married thinks the world begins and ends with Def Leppard. I didn't hold it against her then and I don't now.

I love all kinds of music. I really appreciate the good stuff but I think the popular stuff has a place too and like a lot of it. I just want music to speak to me no matter what it is.

De Leppard was extrememly good at what they did. Pop Rock. It is what it is.

rico 09-15-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912578)
If the Beach Boys were in the mix with the 2 biggest artists of all time they would have been.

:)

I'm fully aware that the Beatles, on an global level have been much more influential than the Beach Boys....HOWEVER, I personally prefer Beach Boys. I have Pet Sounds in my car right now. I saw Mike Love (well, it was labeled Beach Boys, but it was just Mike Love and some other dudes) in concert last year. Had a blast.

I don't doubt that the Beatles' lyrics, music, innovation, etc. was brilliant. I just haven't ever been able to get into them. I like "I am the Walrus," and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" but that's honestly about it for me. I don't necessarily dislike their other stuff, I just can't get into it to the point where I'll buy their stuff, seek more of their music or put it into my personal rotation in my car or in my office. I don't know what it is that everyone including my family and friends are hearing that I'm not.... The vocals don't really grab my attention. The music really doesn't either. Some of it may have to do with the fact that I have always felt that Paul McCartney is a total prag. I haven't taken the time to really sit down and analyze their lyrics because I haven't really felt tempted to...they are somewhat boring to me in comparison to other bands.

I like some of Elvis's stuff though. So I voted for him. Do I really think he was more influential than the Beatles as a whole? No, probably not. Maybe comparable on a national level, but globally? I'm guessing the Beatles take the cake. So my initial urge to choose Elvis and going through with choosing him, was due to my bias of just personally liking Elvis more and a lot of why I like Elvis is probably for sentimental reasons....used to listen to him a lot at my semi-recently deceased grandfather's house.

I'm at a musical stalemate right now... I haven't been able to find anything to get into that I've liked. I just went through a huge Nilsson (ironic since he was so tight with Lennon) and Fred Neil phase. With that said, if anyone has any suggestions of Beatles songs to listen to that may change my opinion of them, by all means post them. I'd like to get into the Beatles.....I just am not totally stoked about what I've heard from them so far, which I admit, is a limited amount. Basically what I've heard from them are their hits and some of the songs that my brother has forced me to listen to in what seemed like desperate attempts at converting me into a Beatles fan. So if ya'll have any suggestions, I'll definitely give them a try. Like I stated earlier, so far, I dig "I am the Walrus" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and there was a blue-grassy-ish song that my friend played on the way to Lollapalooza a few years ago that I remember thinking was pretty cool, but didn't know the name of the song.

On a side note, if I were asked who I thought the most influential musical influence(s) are in terms of how music has been shaped and molded into what it is now.... my answer would be African American slaves.

Rain Man 09-15-2012 07:36 PM

My immediate thought was the Beatles. However, in thinking about it a little more, I'd have to go with Elvis. I think he broke rock and roll into the mainstream. The Beatles went nuclear with it, but Elvis was the guy who landed in Santo Domingo in his three small ships.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912674)
I don't think either are particularly bad, just at a loss to find them passion inducing. In both situations there were broad swaths of music I found vastly superior at that time [was a huge AC/DC, Nazareth, Sabbath, Metallica fan around the HS GF, and a huge Nirvana, GnR, NWA, Beastie Boys fan with the College GF].

I loved REM before they became popular (not because they were popular just because the music changed). After that "Losing My Religon" was about the only song that got to me deeply. "Everybody Hurts" was pretty good too.

Before that songs like "Don't Go Back To Rockville" and "Driver 8" got me to be a fan.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8912687)
De Leppard was extrememly good at what they did. Pop Rock. It is what it is.

TBH, my beef with them was more the adoration of hot WT chicks [and my attendant insistence that my HS GF WASN'T one of those] than the music itself.

Their music, for me was just something that WAS, not bad, not great, just on the radio all the time.

rico 09-15-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912694)
I loved REM before they became popular (not because they were popular just because the music changed). After that "Losing My Religon" was about the only song that got to me deeply. "Everybody Hurts" was pretty good too.

Before that songs like "Don't Go Back To Rockville" and "Driver 8" got me to be a fan.

Awesome, you were into them in their college radio craze days then, eh? Wasn't it "Losing My Religion" that brought them from college radio fame to mainstream fame?

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 8912703)
Awesome, you were into them in their college radio craze days then, eh? Wasn't it "Losing My Religion" that brought them from college radio fame to mainstream fame?

Yes that was the song. I loved REM well before and still loved them after... but they were better before "Religion" hit... overall. I hold nothing against any band who finds mainstream success by doing what they normally do though. Good for the rest of the world finally catching onto it.

Bugeater 09-15-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912616)
I'm willing to bet your lovely wife liked some stupid shit music when you married her... and likely still does.

:)

Heh, one of our first dates she popped a cassette into her car stereo...Paul McCartney & Wings. I knew I had found my soul mate.

rico 09-15-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912712)
Yes that was the song. I loved REM well before and still loved them after... but they were better before "Religion" hit... overall. I hold nothing against any band who finds mainstream success by doing what they normally do though. Good for the rest of the world finally catching onto it.

I absolutely love that "Monster" album.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912724)
Heh, one of our first dates she popped a cassette into her car stereo...Paul McCartney & Wings. I knew I had found my soul mate.

Well good for you then, seriously. She liked Beatles light.

:)

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 8912728)
I absolutely love that "Monster" album.

Monster was and is a great album imo. Sometimes I put "Ephonymous" on and let it play over and over all day. Yes it's a "greatest hits" album but the thing is those songs weren't actually "hits." They were just the most popular among the underground fans at the time.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912724)
Heh, one of our first dates she popped a cassette into her car stereo...Paul McCartney & Wings. I knew I had found my soul mate.

Lucky for you, this was when you were young and your heart was an open book.


Gah, groan.

Bugeater 09-15-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8912741)
Lucky for you, this was when you were young and your heart was an open book.


Gah, groan.

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Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 08:08 PM

This vote is closer than what I thought it would be. I originally thought Beatles too but like I said in talking to others and looking up numbers it wasn't so cut and dried. The vote reflects that.

AustinChief 09-15-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8912811)
This vote is closer than what I thought it would be. I originally thought Beatles too but like I said in talking to others and looking up numbers it wasn't so cut and dried. The vote reflects that.

What are you talking about.. it's pretty clear from the votes who is the runaway winner!

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 8912840)
What are you talking about.. it's pretty clear from the votes who is the runaway winner!

Mod abuse rocks. Cafferty is under-rated. Just ask Springsteen.

HemiEd 09-15-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912606)
I've been married for 19 years. **** Nickelback.

Yeah, Its hard to believe this thread got there. I feel like someone is running their fingernails on the chalkboard when I hear them. ugh.

It was Elvis in the 50s, and the Beatles in the 60s.

Deberg_1990 09-15-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8912724)
Heh, one of our first dates she popped a cassette into her car stereo...Paul McCartney & Wings. I knew I had found my soul mate.

19 years huh? Im surprised she wasnt into Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam back in those days.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8913023)
19 years huh? Im surprised she wasnt into Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam back in those days.

What's wrong with any of those bands? Soungarden and Pearl Jam are two of my favorites. Nirvana.... yeah they did some good stuff too.

Bugeater 09-15-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8913023)
19 years huh? Im surprised she wasnt into Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam back in those days.

Nirvana and Pearl Jam, yes. I was more into Soundgarden than she was though.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8913088)
Nirvana and Pearl Jam, yes. I was more into Soundgarden than she was though.

Dude... Pearl Jam is the best of the 3.

Bugeater 09-15-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913094)
Dude... Pearl Jam is the best of the 3.

Eh, maybe so, but they're another victim of commercial radio over-saturation. If I never hear another Pearl Jam song again it will still be too soon.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913094)
Dude... Pearl Jam is the best of the 3.

I'd put Nirvana/Foo Fighters, Soundgarden/Audioslave and Pearl Jam on fairly equal footing.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8913105)
I'd put Nirvana/Foo Fighters, Soundgarden/Audioslave and Pearl Jam on fairly equal footing.

IMO Nirvana was more groundbreaking than Foo Fighters... though I like Foo Fighters more. (I don't always see groundbreaking as equaling better) Pearl Jam is better than Audioslave although I love both.

pimpchief 09-15-2012 09:26 PM

Nirvana was absolute garbage. Foo Fighters are pretty good though.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpchief (Post 8913143)
Nirvana was absolute garbage. Foo Fighters are pretty good though.

Nirvana was hardly garbage. They re-defined an era and sent music in a new direction. To say they were garbage is to know nothing about music beyond when you might have been born.

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old and never bothered to listen to anything made since you were 15.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913124)
IMO Nirvana was more groundbreaking than Foo Fighters... though I like Foo Fighters more. (I don't always see groundbreaking as equaling better) Pearl Jam is better than Audioslave although I love both.

Believe me, I love all of them A LOT. Have just about everything all 5 bands put out. Don't have all PJ's Ticketmaster thwarting bootlegs that came later, but I have something better, the Chicago bootleg they authorized WAAAY before any other bootlegs, and printed 100 copies [50 CD, 50 Vinyl] for Vintage Vinyl.

DaneMcCloud 09-15-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913151)
Nirvana was hardly garbage.

Not even close to garbage. What a silly statement.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913151)
They re-defined an era and sent music in a new direction.

Here's were we disagree.

Nirvana was like an angry Cheap Trick. Great songs and a great singer that wrote lyrics that connected with the disaffected.

They didn't break any new ground musically and didn't inspire a trend. I think Green Day had way more influence over Pop/Rock in the 90's than Nirvana but that's partially due to Cobain's suicide.

On a side note, Dave and the Foo's, especially their recent records, have meant exponentially more to me than Nirvana.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8913168)
Believe me, I love all of them A LOT. Have just about everything all 5 bands put out. Don't have all PJ's Ticketmaster thwarting bootlegs that came later, but I have something better, the Chicago bootleg they authorized WAAAY before any other bootlegs, and printed 100 copies [50 CD, 50 Vinyl] for Vintage Vinyl.

You just made my vinyl collection jealous.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8913170)
Not even close to garbage. What a silly statement.



Here's were we disagree.

Nirvana was like an angry Cheap Trick. Great songs and a great singer that wrote lyrics that connected with the disaffected.

They didn't break any new ground musically and didn't inspire a trend. I think Green Day had way more influence over Pop/Rock in the 90's than Nirvana but that's partially due to Cobain's suicide.

On a side note, Dave and the Foo's, especially their recent records, have meant exponentially more to me than Nirvana.

I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

MOhillbilly 09-15-2012 09:44 PM

TCB

pimpchief 09-15-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913151)
Nirvana was hardly garbage. They re-defined an era and sent music in a new direction. To say they were garbage is to know nothing about music beyond when you might have been born.

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old and never bothered to listen to anything made since you were 15.

Bull. I've listen to plenty of older music. I've listened to Nirvana, all the albums, bleach to in utero. They suck. Its crappy pop, not rock. It didn't change anything and the front man was a loser.

pimpchief 09-15-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913198)
I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

To even put Nirvana in the category of the other two is utterly insane.

lewdog 09-15-2012 09:48 PM

Well Pearl Jam is my favorite band of all-time but I feel Nirvana was more influential to a change in a whole music scene. Pearl Jam is far more talented musically though and while they are definitely over-played, I still love the new music they put out. If you have ever seen them live, it is something amazing. At least 2+ hours straight for every concert they ever perform. Many of them 3 hours long.

I hope they never quit but I sense an extended break coming up soon due to all of them being involved in multiple side projects.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913198)
I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpchief (Post 8913204)
Bull. I've listen to plenty of older music. I've listened to Nirvana, all the albums, bleach to in utero. They suck. Its crappy pop, not rock. It didn't change anything and the front man was a loser.

Good for you for missing the whole point. Bleach to In Utero... aka no clue about how Nirvana changed music. Anyone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground knows "Nevermind" was the album that changed things. While you listen to it and compare it to 20 years of music before it and pretend you have a clue about the subject please find the start of the era.

I'll wait.

Shaid 09-15-2012 09:54 PM

This is extremely difficult but I go with Elvis just because he came first and I think he opened the door for a ton of things, the Beatles included.

Dr. Johnny Fever 09-15-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 8913213)
I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.

I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.

pimpchief 09-15-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913221)
Good for you for missing the whole point. Bleach to In Utero... aka no clue about how Nirvana changed music. Anyone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground knows "Nevermind" was the album that changed things. While you listen to it and compare it to 20 years of music before it and pretend you have a clue about the subject please find the start of the era.

I'll wait.

Nevermind blew chunks. There's a song about during under neath a bridge being a boring douche, a song about raping a parrot and a bunch of trash that doesn't make sense. Idiots went crazy over it. No biggie.

Green day was the game changer, I agree with mccloud.

KS Smitty 09-15-2012 10:00 PM

Along the Elvis vs Beatles, I think if you look back at interviews etc you will find that the (early) Beatles mention Elvis as an influence much more than (any) Elvis.

Personally I blame Chuck Berry.

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8913226)
I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.

Sorry, I thought was bragging about being ahead of the curve. ;)

Baby Lee 09-15-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpchief (Post 8913229)
Nevermind blew chunks. There's a song about during under neath a bridge being a boring douche, a song about raping a parrot and a bunch of trash that doesn't make sense. Idiots went crazy over it. No biggie.

Green day was the game changer, I agree with mccloud.

Green Day MAYBE influenced Rancid, MAYBE.

Blink 182, Cake, and PotUSA were more influentual in that sphere.

Not to knock Green Day [Again, I had Kerpunk before Dookie came out and Dookie before Basket Case was on MTV], but they're just a faster, more polished, punk riff. They were as 'influential' as The Black Crowes [who I also like] were in their genre.


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