seen them? Hell I babysit a couple of them... kids are gamers.

Money.

Like this level money.

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/money-currencies/0009.gif

My new saying:

"The tree can suck me."

Sometimes it's true.

2009:

Matt Stafford*+
Mark Sanchez*#
Josh Freeman*
Pat White
Rhett Bomar
Steven McGee
Mike Neel
Curtis Painter

2010:

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow*#
Mike Kafka
Jimmy Clausen
Colt McCoy
John Skelton
Jonathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour

2011:

Cam Newton+
Jake Locker
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton*+
Blaine Gabbert
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallet
Ricky Stanzi @
TJ Yates*#

2012:

Andrew Luck
RG3
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden
Russel Wilson
Kirk Cousins
Brock Osweiler
Nick Foles

Clearly some years are better than others. This appears to be a down year. It doesn't mean there isn't a guy who will be very successful,
but I'm not convinced the top-end talent is there the way it is in some years.

* - started playoff game
# - won playoff game
+ - made probowl
@ - sucks sweaty mule balls

(left out a significant number of drafted QB, because there was no point in listing them.)

Saying "No" to Holgorsen is not equivalent to saying "Yes" to the tree.

*Pushes chips all in*

Give me a break. People said this THIS YEAR.

I don't care if he hasn't coached in the NFL or not.

He gets the most out of his players and is one of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football right now regardless of the level.

Hire him as offensive coordinator in 2013.

Then he can be head coach in 2014.

Is that okay?

Wisconsin runs a pro style offense. It's not a college offense.

The knock on Wilson was his height. However, his leadership is what bumped him two rounds. The thing is that Carroll made a connection that no one else did... He looked at the o-linemen from Wisconsin. Every year they put out good o-linemen and Wilson played behind them. Wisconsin's o-line might as well have a been a pro o-line...

Exactly... It's way to early to tell.

This thread needs highlights.

Great, so you want to hire Bobby Petrino as HC of your NFL team. No thanks.

No, I want Dana Holgorsen.

And this guy:

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c191...eno-Smith2.jpg

I'm all for Geno, but don't think Dana has cut his teeth enough for a NFL Coaching gig. Plus he doesn't exactly have a squeaky clean personal track record and that won't help.

Count me in.

2012 Orange Bowl blowout victory in his first year as head coach of the Mountaineers.

We'll see how he does this year in the Big 12, but his offensive track record is nothing short of remarkable and he's already shown that he can carve up this conference as an offensive coordinator.

He's young, he's insanely innovative and his guys play hard for him. That he hasn't coached in the NFL isn't a negative in my eyes. Actually, it's a positive. I'm tired of the same shitty retreads getting the jobs when they've already proven that they suck or are mediocre at best. It's time for some new blood.

The big question is..

Can he make a Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit?

If so then count me in. If not then we need to find such QB.

I completely agree here, but I'm not sure Dana has a large enough sample being in charge to fully evaluate his NFL Coaching ability. That is my only point.

I'll do you one better;

Goodell: The Kansas City Chiefs have traded thier first round pick to NE for thier first rounf pick, a fourth round pick and Ryan Mallet.

A few hours later....

Goodell: With thier first round pick...the Kansas City Chiefs have drafted <FILL IN LINEMAN NAME, DL or OL, HERE>


Meltdown ensues.

All in for Geno. Kid is a stud.

Would take Holgorsen as well.

I WANT GENO!!!!!!

We'll know how good he is when he plays texas d and ou. I have wv winning the big12 so im still sticking to him. I WANT GENO!!!

You are probably correct, but the situation reminds me of Urban Meyer while at Utah. Guy was cutting edge and you could see he had it. The body of experience wasn't there, but you knew that this guy could coach. I see the same thing in Holgorsen at the same stage.

If you let him go too long, one of the bigs are going to make an offer that is better than what he'll ever see in the NFL and he'll entrench himself in the college system as Meyer has done.

Was there no point in listing Matt Stafford?

I would be thrilled with Geno, Wilson, or Barkley

Sure, why not.

you dont sound too excited

I'm in! Geno Smith with our first pick!!

I am, but the Chiefs are draining the life from me.

ABC

Anyone but Casshole.

I got a bad feeling about this thread. Seems like we are jinxing the guy. The season just started...

That would be the ol' Chiefs Magic at work!

Feel the power!

LOL LMAO

Today is the first time I have really watched the guy. I have alot of concerns. Watch the tape against James Madison. His footwork is awful and he hops around like a bunny. The play action is awful. He is going to need alot of work. I fear this is going to be a bad class for QBs. If we got Smith, I don't think he would be starting for a while unless he changes dramatically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EyPqRRVcRs

Meh

Whoops.

Out of ALL those guys Sanchez is the only one we had a shot at and might regret it. And even he might be toast pretty soon. I'd say Pioli has done a pretty good job

if thats true then that means were definitely gonna draft Geno. Yes! Score!

Andy Dalton is the one that haunts me...

What? do u not read what everyone says here? Pioli sucks hes terrible we hate him!

STFU

No offense, but you have given me precisely zero reason to take seriously any observation you make whatsoever about the game of football. I would not be surprised in the least if you were actually looking at college tape of Alex Tanney by mistake instead of Geno Smith.

This.

I'm down. Just somebody. Anybody.

Who's saying go get a retread? I'm not saying go hire a previously fired NFL HC. I'm just saying don't go hire someone who has never played or coached in the NFL at any level.

Tell me the last successful NFL HC who had no previous NFL experience as a player or coach.

No offense taken.


If anyone else is interested in watching the bunny hop or the terrible play action sell, please watch the link I posted. Also, check the link to the LSU game. The scary thing in that video is his inability to hit receivers in stride. Almost every pass he completes requires the receiver to slow down on his route or the route is a hitch.

This is exactly what I am afraid of. Drafting a first round QB for the sake of drafting one. This guy might be OK but he will need alot of coaching. He still has a ton to prove over the rest of this season. His flaws are big ones.

bro todd haley bro. best hc evarrrrrhhh

lets just resign the mighty matt cassel to a 25 year player/headcoach contract

Bad example. Even worse since Haley had previous NFL coaching experience.

Why don't we just put him in a bucket of cement, throw him in the ocean, and call it day?

You know who else does the bunny hop when he drops back? Peyton ****ing Manning.

I disagree. He's not hopping, he's moving his feet one at a time. Smith is moving his feet in unison in the video I posted. There is a big difference in the two. Peyton's footwork is perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hr6CVURWpU

chiefs suck whats new

I want to change my avatar to Smith, but I don't want anyone to start getting the idea that I don't think Cassel is a reerun...

Ummm....next time you might want to link me to a video that actually helps PROVE YOUR POINT.

Pestilence!! Why!? You still like Quinn don't you?

ROFL

My desire to see Matt Cassel completely fail the entire season overrides my support for Quinn.

Put me up there in support.

I've supported taking the kid a few times in the last few months on here.

Curious what makes Smith so much better than Barkley?

So lets be clear here so that I understand you correctly. What you are saying is that Smith's footwork is the same as Peyton Mannings?

Me to.

With Barkley disappointing, Wilson being injured... yet again, and Jones playing good but not impressive, it's easy to get wowed by Smith. He's putting up phenomenal numbers, but he hasn't played against any competition yet. I'm a fan, but I'll wait for him to play against a respectable school.

Geno will be on tv this saturday when they play Maryland at 11 am on FX

i didn't like Barkley from the beginning because he's from USC.
(bad history recently: Palmer, Cassel, Sanchez, and Leinart).

That's not good reasoning at all and Palmer was elite before the elbow injury.

Lol same here Matt Leinart, Matt Cassel, Matt Barkley, pass!

i haven't seen anything good from any of these QB's other than the One Pro Bowl season from Palmer.

I'm in.

No....I stated that Manning bunny hops as well. You told me he didn't and then posted a stupid Youtube video that didn't prove me wrong. You showed me highlights that didn't show his footwork at all.

I'm down. then again, I don't care who it is as long as it's a legit prospect.

seriously, whichever QB will make our oh-no-it-risky-wait-till-next-year-he's-not-good-enough-he's-not-either-and-did-i-mention-risky! quivering vagina of a fanbase cry the least....draft HIM...

Carson Palmer revitalized one of the worst NFL franchises.

Barkley played like shit last week but last year matched Andrew Luck.

Outside of the "curse" stigma he's facing (a USC QB named Matt... blech) and the tendency of the products that come out of that school to be sparklingly underwhelming, there's one big thing I don't like.

It boils down to the fact that he just looks like a ****ing USC QB. Great arm against the weaker PAC 12 schools, good long ball when he has time, and pretty good statistics compiled with above average teammates. Watch him in tougher games though, and flaws in his decision making start to crop up. Occasionally he just won't be able to get anything going, and just sit there stalling on drive after drive after drive.

I've seen that same song and dance before out of this program. I know how it ends. Maybe some guys who have watched far more Barkley USC games can change my mind with game footage and stuff, but I don't see anything out of this guy that makes me think he'll be any different than Sanchez or Leinart in the NFL.

Besides that, there's the thing I ****ing hate about QBs who set the NCAA on fire by their junior years, but decide to come back for a senior season. Matt Leinart's Syndrome it's called. Why go to work this early when I can have a year at USC chilling with my bros taking Bullshit Elective 103 for 2 credits? Totally awesome!

I'm not going to throw a shitfit if the Chiefs draft him. I'll be very very happy. But you can't tell me that the nonexistent flaws BlackBob "sees" in Geno Smith's game make him more unworthy of that #1 overall spot than Barkley.

Tell me again WTF Barkley has done to deserve #1 overall over Smith? I think Barkley was the highly touted high school recruit who went to a sexy school, looks pretty good on the field, and is on TV all the goddamn time. Realistically, I don't think any other QB but an Andrew Luck-type would change people's minds that Barkley is the best QB this year. In most years he would be. And he still might be.

I'm predicting he won't be #1 overall. If Wilson impresses the pants off of everybody for the rest of the year, he'll be #2, with Smith at #1. Barkley will be #3, but the way teams need QBs, he's not going to have to wait very long. All three QBs are going to get drafted within the top 5 picks I would bet.

FYP

Kitna revitalized that team. He got them all playing at a high level. Palmer did a good job of continuing where Kitna left off. But that's about it.

Well the difference between Barkley and a guy like Sanchez is maturity. Barkley being a 4 year guy he's a great leader and unlike Claussen I don't see him being a cocky self entitled SOB.

I like how despite not being a great athlete Barkley doesn't get sacked much. He also is really ****ing accurate (70% last year I believe).

Has experience in a pro offense.

Is great at reading defenses.


The only thing I would be concerned about is his arm strength.

I wouldn't be mad if we draft Smith he's my #2 behind Barkley. I also like Bray and Wilson. Nice having options isn't it?

Again with the bunny hop stuff. I'll let Pest handle that.

I'm also not seeing where he doesn't lead his receivers. I hope you're not talking about the bubble screens, are you? Every other completed pass I saw was very well-timed and accurate. Great arm with plenty of zip on the ball. That arm is absolutely something that can not be taught in this league. It's an RGIII arm. And Smith's got it.

Huh? The Bengals didn't make the playoffs until 2005. They had some of the best offenses in the league under Palmer pre-2008 elbow injury that really has limited him IMO.

i'd be happy to draft barkley, but he's looked off this year and his passes really seemed to lack some zip against stanford...he also made some bad decisions, which is uncharacteristic

i remember him as a freshman (I think) on the road against ohio state...he showed a ton of courage and savy

his NFL upside is Matt Ryan, imo

Smith, who I have not watched as much as, seems to have a higher upside...and is just a bit more 'electric' (vague, i know)...he's just learning how good he can be while Barkley has known for awhile

his NFL upside is...hmm...Rodgers (is that crazy?)

DJ's right. All the "Don't care as long as we get a guy" people are good folks who know their football I'm sure, but this thread isn't for you. We Geno Smith fans all support the same vision of seeing Cassel ousted for a legitimate first round QB. The point of this thread is to declare that the first round QB to best carry out that goal is Geno Smith. We believe he is THE guy, not just A guy.

His upside is Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Vince Young, Doug Williams, Rodney Peete, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, RGIII, Josh Freeman, Russell Wilson, Casey Printers, and Ice-T.

LMAO

trust me, i went through the list