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Hammock Parties 09-24-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948385)
If Carr played the game Routt did, clay would be slurping it up.

Dexter McCluster had a terribly negative grade for this game, BTW.

Hammock Parties 09-24-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8948397)
ROFLROFL

Come on man. Routt is much better than Warfield. He actually makes contact with offensive players.

Routt and Warfield, both known for committing penalties.

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948401)
Dexter McCluster had a terribly dislocated elbow courtesy of Matt Cassel for this game, BTW.

Fixed? :)

mcaj22 09-24-2012 10:40 PM

Routt is probably afraid he will get beat deep

i would too if that piece of garbage Travis Daniels was playing FS behind me and running around like a lost puppy.

It might change if Kendrick Lewis ever comes back. A real FS that knows what the **** he is suppose to do. Imagine that.

BossChief 09-24-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 8948378)
It has been pointed out during the broadcasts that Routt has been leaving a 10 yard cushion at the the line. Don't know if that is our scheme or if routt is afraid he'll get beat deep.

Routt is literally one of the fastest players in the NFL.

He ran like a 4.25 40 at the combine.

Cannibal 09-24-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8948387)
Routt has top end speed. It is probably just scheme and play specific.

For example, on early downs, we primarily play zone. On 3rd, we almost exclusively play press-man. Again, I'd have to watch it and make notes, but that is probably why.

Good points. I think you're probably correct.

Hammock Parties 09-24-2012 10:41 PM

If Routt has a better grade than Carr at the end of the season I'll leave the board for a week.

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948404)
Routt and Warfield, both known for committing penalties.

True. Routt is smarter, better in coverage, and a much better/more aggressive open field tackler than Warfield though.

All I want you to do is admit that Routt had a positive influence on our entire performance. :)

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948413)
If Routt has a better grade than Carr at the end of the season I'll leave the board for a week.

Meh. Who would I steal gifs from then for BlackBob?

Cannibal 09-24-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948410)
Routt is literally one of the fastest players in the NFL.

He ran like a 4.25 40 at the combine.

I'm not a fan of the 10 yard cushion then.

mcaj22 09-24-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948413)
If Routt has a better grade than Carr at the end of the season I'll leave the board for a week.

that's not fair Carr is going up against far and away more talented WRs.

Routt is covering garbage. Julio Jones will be the best he faces all season

aturnis 09-24-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948349)
so then by your logic

Derrick Johnson and Standford Routt and Jamaal Charles and everyone else on this team sucks too. Because they are also all inconsistent.

Heh? Anyone on the defense is responsible for their performances the first two weeks, they earned them by playing undisciplined football. Especially DJ. The defense got behind b/c they were undisciplined, and dug a deeper hole by pressing and not sticking to their assignments. IMO, b/c they had no faith Cassel could comeback from behind, so they needed to be the ones that did it.

Playing undisciplined doesn't make a player bad, just exercising bad judgement. Missing assignments b/c you were actually completely lost is different.

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 8948412)
Good points. I think you're probably correct.

That is actually Belichick/Saban philosophy that Crennel learned/adopted.

BossChief 09-24-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948401)
Dexter McCluster had a terribly negative grade for this game, BTW.

Herp derp

He only had 3 catches and "fumbled" one of them.

Now, dance.

Hammock Parties 09-24-2012 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948430)
Herp derp

He only had 3 catches and "fumbled" one of them.

Now, dance.

There's nothing to dance about.

Dex played well for two quarters against Atlanta.

Rest of his season? Shite.

aturnis 09-24-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948394)
good thing we run a zone blocking scheme and there is no such thing as assignments then.

So when Lilja let's a guy through untouched on a stunt, that's okay huh?

mcaj22 09-24-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8948428)
That is actually Belichick/Saban philosophy that Crennel learned/adopted.

dont you have it reversed?

man early/press zone 3rd

mcaj22 09-24-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8948453)
So when Lilja let's a guy through untouched on a stunt, that's okay huh?

and how many times a game does this happen?

surely not as many as Brandon Alberts false starts? Or Jon Asamoah getting his shit pushed in by Kyle Williams?

BossChief 09-24-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948419)
that's not fair Carr is going up against far and away more talented WRs.

Routt is covering garbage. Julio Jones will be the best he faces all season

He faced Roddy White most of the game and then they moved Julio Jones to his side...I agree though...the Saints have crappy receivers.
:rolleyes:

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948456)
dont you have it reversed?

man early/press zone 3rd

nope.

seriously, it is early zone, man-press on the latter downs. This is because Saban/Bill/Crennel believe in blitzing on 3rd with man coverage, not from zone like some other 3-4 guys like Labeau or Capers.

mcaj22 09-24-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948485)
He faced Roddy White most of the game and then they moved Julio Jones to his side...I agree though...the Saints have crappy receivers.
:rolleyes:

Lance Moore and Devery Henderson are not good

Colston has 1 leg.

their hall of fame QB and the scheme makes them better than they actually are

aturnis 09-24-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948462)
and how many times a game does this happen?

surely not as many as Brandon Alberts false starts? Or Jon Asamoah getting his shit pushed in by Kyle Williams?

Kyle Williams is a man child. Albert's false starts are annoying. There has been plenty of blame to spread, but one good game in memory for Lilja in the last how many games doesn't fix the problem...

Sorter 09-24-2012 10:56 PM

The philosophy behind it is as well is that you're going to play press to re-route receivers. By blitzing from man-press on 3rd down, the QB has to wait even longer for receivers to get open.

aturnis 09-24-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8948488)
nope.

seriously, it is early zone, man-press on the latter downs. This is because Saban/Bill/Crennel believe in blitzing on 3rd with man coverage, not from zone like some other 3-4 guys like Labeau or Capers.

Yep. Get 'em into a passing situation on 3rd, lock' em down and pin the ears back. It's why run defense is critical to the success of the defense.

BossChief 09-24-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948489)
Lance Moore and Devery Henderson are not good

Colston has 1 leg.

their hall of fame QB and the scheme makes them better than they actually are

Blind and drunk I take it?

You obviously haven't watched the Cowboys play this year. Carr hasn't faced anybody worth a damn except for Vincent Jackson and if you watched even a few plays from that game, you would know he mailed it in Sunday.

Have a great night making a fool of yourself.

I'm gonna hit the sack.

Nice job on Lilja, though.

Sorter 09-24-2012 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8948505)
Yep. Get 'em into a passing situation on 3rd, lock' em down and pin the ears back. It's why run defense is critical to the success of the defense.

Yup. And for those that were wondering, that is why Pitoitua was in our nickel package playing the 3 tech instead of Poe. He's better against the run right now.

I wish the mods would let me sticky a thread where I just broke all this down instead of having to repeat myself, but I can't remember the last time I saw a sticky last the whole season on this board. I do think it would help people understand not only our defensive scheme/philosophy, but why Pioli has drafted the way he has. Oh well.

Mods, please don't take this as an "oh, woe is me" type plea. It does get tiresome typing the same thing over and over though. ;)

Hammock Parties 09-24-2012 11:26 PM

Rape a titty sucks at everything. I haven't seen him make one play and his PFF grade is abysmal. Only two guys are worse.

Pioli seriously sucks.

Sorter 09-24-2012 11:40 PM

No joke. He did play better this week, but wow. Not the guy I was expecting (which was an average run stopping 5-tech who could potentially be slightly above average playing the 3).

mcaj22 09-25-2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948507)
Blind and drunk I take it?

You obviously haven't watched the Cowboys play this year. Carr hasn't faced anybody worth a damn except for Vincent Jackson and if you watched even a few plays from that game, you would know he mailed it in Sunday.

Have a great night making a fool of yourself.

I'm gonna hit the sack.

Nice job on Lilja, though.


Yea Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks are not worth a damn

keep running your mouth, you make yourself look dumb

007 09-25-2012 12:28 AM

Too bad Pioli will still say Cassel is great.

BossChief 09-25-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948842)
Yea Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks are not worth a damn

keep running your mouth, you make yourself look dumb

You OBVIOUSLY didn't watch the damn game. He didn't cover either of those guys outside of a couple plays. He gave up 80 yards to the guys he covered and most of the time he covered Dominek Hixon.

Go sit in the corner.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8949213)
You OBVIOUSLY didn't watch the damn game. He didn't cover either of those guys outside of a couple plays. He gave up 80 yards to the guys he covered and most of the time he covered Dominek Hixon.

Go sit in the corner.

Yeah, he covered Hixon, so the dude obviously didn't watch the game ROFL Now we are slamming Routt for giving up 70 yards. This place is a ****ing joke sometimes.

scho63 09-25-2012 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8946880)
ReFo: Chiefs @ Saints, Week 3
John Maney | 2012/09/24


For as well as he played, it seems that Charles may not be fully healthy. He was dangerously close to being caught from behind on the TD run and failed to finish his other long run, opting to cut back instead of trying to outrun Malcolm Jenkins – two things I don’t think we see from a completely healthy Charles.
[B]

Are you fucking kidding me??? The guy had 39 touches and carried the whole offense-please excuse him for being just a little tired!

:rolleyes:

Buckweath 09-25-2012 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8949257)
Are you fucking kidding me??? The guy had 39 touches and carried the whole offense-please excuse him for being just a little tired!

:rolleyes:

Yeah, that comment made no sense. Charles looked as fast as ever before IMO.

Molitoth 09-25-2012 08:36 AM

There are plenty of DB's that are just as fast as the fastest RB's.

Baby Lee 09-25-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 8947161)
we still need a QB .... has anyone noticed .....

Cassel's leading the search party.

http://i.imgur.com/02gIH.gif

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2012 08:40 AM

My favorite line of the game "Matt Cassel is not supposed to do this" Heh

Chiefnj2 09-25-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8948385)
If Carr played the game Routt did, clay would be slurping it up.

Carr has not allowed a single reception so far this year when he is lined up for bump-and-run.

BossChief 09-25-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8949400)
Carr has not allowed a single reception so far this year when he is lined up for bump-and-run.

Our whole defense hasn't given up a single completion since Crennel turned the heat up...and that's against Drew Brees.

Both players are very good IMO.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 09:31 AM

Let's be honest, that GIF is the first example of Cassel looking off a DB ever.

DJ's left nut 09-25-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8947408)
Cassel is now 22nd on the PFF QB list.

24th in passing.

21st in deep passing

30th in completion percentage under pressure

29th in sack percentage

Has been pressured less than all but 5 QBs

The time of reckoning is nigh.

HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME!!!!!!

DJ's left nut 09-25-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8947772)
Another byproduct of Houstons emergence?

Opposing teams will need to keep their tight ends in line to help block him and that will help our pass coverage because it's one less guy to cover. That should allow us to blitz corners and safeties a little more too. More ice cream for Berry and Arenas and more field time for guys like Belcher.

I noticed that effect during the Patriots/Ravens game.

The Ravens were generating so much pressure that the Pats were eventually forced to keep Gronk in to block.

If Houston's able to do that with regularity, teams like the Chargers and even the Broncos will have no choice but to keep their TE out of the pattern. It could do a lot to help cover for our biggest weakness in the defense - coverage over the middle.

L.A. Chieffan 09-25-2012 09:40 AM

The OL that Pioli assembled is really starting to come together.

58-4ever 09-25-2012 09:43 AM

I'm surprised every time I look at Jeff Allen. It just sounds like a white guy's name.

BossChief 09-25-2012 09:43 AM

Get the emotion out of the picture...

#25 ranked corner + 3rd round comp pick + 4 million per year >>> #27 ranked corner

Figure in the fact that Carr WANTED TO PLAY FOR DALLAS and I don't think this is a log on the fire Pioli should be burned with. So far, it looks like a good business decision.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 09:45 AM

Give it time, Routt will plummet.

DJ's left nut 09-25-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8948286)
You're a fool. Judge his play with your eyes, not the PFF ranking.

My eyes say that Asomoah has struggled mightily this year.

I will also concede that I've noticed Lilja struggling far more in pass-pro than in the run, so perhaps I haven't been giving him credit for what he's doing well in the run game.

But regardless of the PFF rankings, it's not hard to believe that Asomoah has been our worst O-lineman this year. He's been pretty damn awful out there.

L.A. Chieffan 09-25-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8949466)
Give it time, Routt will plummet.

Negative, cancel that. Hes only going to get better.

Game changing INT on Drew "Super" Brees.

PIOLI ACQUISITION

DJ's left nut 09-25-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8948702)
No joke. He did play better this week, but wow. Not the guy I was expecting (which was an average run stopping 5-tech who could potentially be slightly above average playing the 3).

He has the worst technique I've ever seen.

The guy is 8 feet tall and makes sure to stand virtually straight up at the snap. He has one move which is something of a swim, but he's upright so all the swim does is wash him inside to leave the edge wide open.

He's absolutely awful. I have no idea why he's on this roster and Smith/Gordon aren't. He doesn't do a single thing well.

htismaqe 09-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8949447)
The OL that Pioli assembled is really starting to come together.

After an injury to his hand-picked center...

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8949491)
He has the worst technique I've ever seen.

The guy is 8 feet tall and makes sure to stand virtually straight up at the snap. He has one move which is something of a swim, but he's upright so all the swim does is wash him inside to leave the edge wide open.

He's absolutely awful. I have no idea why he's on this roster and Smith/Gordon aren't. He doesn't do a single thing well.

Great pickup by Scott Pioli. :clap:

DJ's left nut 09-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8949257)
Are you fucking kidding me??? The guy had 39 touches and carried the whole offense-please excuse him for being just a little tired!

:rolleyes:

If you watch the play he got caught from behind on and cut back, it had nothing to do with fatigue.

Right before he cut back you could see the ball squirt up out of his arm. As the ball squirted up, he swung his left arm over to push it back into place and lost his stride. Once he lost his stride his momentum was shot and the only thing he could do was cut up.

Yeah, it was a stupid comment. It would've been a TD but Jamaal just lost control of the ball as he was running down the sidelines. It happens from time to time.

BossChief 09-25-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8949466)
Give it time, Routt will plummet.

Not if we keep the heat turned up he won't.

patteeu 09-25-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948232)
...and Ryan Lilja statistically is far and away our best olineman.

Over a very small sample size. Don't get too invested in that.

TEX 09-25-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 8949267)
There are plenty of DB's that are just as fast as the fastest RB's.

EXACTLY - and take into consioderation that they had the angles and what Charles did was even more impressive. On the 91 yard TD run, I saw Charles lower his head a bit and switch gears as he ran down the sideline to outrun the defenders. The extra gear was there when he needed it. :thumb:

On his other long run, I think it was more of a "rythm" thing. The ball was moving around and he fixed it and lost his stride so he instinctively said F-it, I'll cut back now because I lost my stride and try and get it going again...

Jamal Charles IS healthy enough - Now if we keep running him 33 times a game he won't be...

Frosty 09-25-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 8949617)
EXACTLY - and take into consioderation that they had the angles and what Charles did was even more impressive. On the 91 yard TD run, I saw Charles lower his head a bit and switch gears as he ran down the sideline to outrun the defenders. The extra gear was there when he needed it. :thumb:

He got caught from behind in the Atlanta game because he kind of showboated a little when he thought he was in the clear. This time, you could tell he was all business - put the head down and GO!

TEX 09-25-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8949632)
He got caught from behind in the Atlanta game because he kind of showboated a little when he thought he was in the clear. This time, you could tell he was all business - put the head down and GO!

Yep. When he did that, I was looking for something special - it happened!

Molitoth 09-25-2012 10:52 AM

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I'll try to cut back rather than sprint past the guy who clearly had the angle...
This. That DB took a great angle.... and Charles knew it. I'm guessing Charles was thinking "horsecollar" and "injury" when he chose to cut back instead of try and outrun.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 10:54 AM

Charles was thinking "OH SHIT I'M GONNA FUMBLE."

He's fumbled a couple times before when he's sprinting all out like a bat out of Pioli hell.

ThaVirus 09-25-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8949642)
Charles was thinking "OH SHIT I'M GONNA FUMBLE."

He's fumbled a couple times before when he's sprinting all out like a bat out of Pioli hell.

I can't even remember the last time he coughed up the football.

aturnis 09-25-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8949477)
My eyes say that Asomoah has struggled mightily this year.

I will also concede that I've noticed Lilja struggling far more in pass-pro than in the run, so perhaps I haven't been giving him credit for what he's doing well in the run game.

But regardless of the PFF rankings, it's not hard to believe that Asomoah has been our worst O-lineman this year. He's been pretty damn awful out there.

I'll agree with most of this. I'm largely criticizing Lilja as a pass blocker, so he may deserve more credit as a run blocker. Just Can't get over how lost he looks at times.

As for Asamoah, I know he got beat up by Williams against Buffalo, but I don't recall anything horrible from the first game though. That could be my short memory though. I know he looked good this week.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-25-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8946882)
Holy ****ing shit.

The jig is up.

May the press continue to expose Fraudboy each and every week.

Happiness!

beach tribe 09-25-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8948289)
and if your argument is Lilja is a better center than guard than that goes back to this piece of garbage coaching staff and awful idiot GM who should just play Lilja at Center and move the ****ing Two Time All American guard in Hudson, at ****ing guard.

But since this team has a hard on for playing guys out of position, ya know.

This is funny.


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