He has nothing, NOTHING to do with developing Ben.

Nothing.

This.

I attribute Cam's season last year to Warren Moon, not Chud. Furthermore, Newton has definitely taken a step backward this year (which isn't surprising).

Philbin's 51 years old. He's spent 28 years coaching, most of the past decade in Green Bay, one of the most successful franchises in the league.

Chud has about half that experience and his only stops as OC's have been average at best. I just don't see anything about his resume that screams "Head Coach".

He'd be better of going back to Miami or some other high level college program, thus proving he's worthy of a gig.

Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

And there's another strike against these guys.

This is how I feel too.

Hire a good GM. Hire a head coach under that GM that's not going to be so powerful that he wants supreme control over personnel decisions.

I think young guys have a hell of a lot more fire and there are a lot of real good ones who can run a quality team if you give them the chance.

For example, a Jay Gruden. Or Mike Miller of Arizona (has a very nice resume). Hell, a few guys on the 49ers staff -- love that team, because they are so technically proficient. Fangio or what about John Morton (kind of like this guy. Seems like a real fiery guy)?

I just don't want to get stuck on stale candidates that get discussed every year. Go for an up and comer.

Mediocre but steady?

Out of the list Gruden .

Here you go. Here's a guy with some fire and he's coaching one hell of a defense in Seattle right now. Watch Gus Bradley's tirade in the middle.

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Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

Keep chasing that dragon!

I wouldn't mind having us one of them attacking style coaches, instead of playing not to lose. I think that would be neat

Having a defensive first defense doesn't keep you from hiring an offensive coordinator with firepower. The key is that you have a head coach who gets his players to play with fire and discipline.

Here's the other key point...
I want to aggressively go after a QB. I want an aggressive offense.

But here's the reality. We exaggerate the criticalness of an elite offense in the modern NFL. The fact is, what's critical is that you luck into getting an elite Quarterback.

But you can't build your team around the gamble that you get an elite QB. If you don't have an elite QB, it doesn't hurt to have a defensive minded head coach.

I'd go all-in for Cowher. The reason for me is simple. In my opinion, the Chiefs had their best defenses in the early 90s with him as our DC, including getting the best out of Derrick Thomas. Ever wonder what he could do with Hali and Houston? That entices me greatly.

One thing that would be a guarantee with Cowher is that the team would NEVER be soft, which is almost a guarantee with Crennel.

Cowher didn't coordinate any defense in Pittsburgh

He's been a successful offensive coordinator and position coach in both college and the pros.

He's the only one who's made the Cleveland offense the last 10 years worth a shit. The year before Chud took over in Carolina that offense was one of the worst. When he took over it was a top 10.

I'm sorry, I disagree. He coordinated Miami's offense for a few years - where are the great players from that era? Where's the QB? And while he had nice year with Cleveland, it was one year.

IMO, the guy is LUCKY he gets to work with Cam Newton and should be grateful that he worked with Ron Rivera in San Diego. Otherwise, the dude would be a position coach.

We need a HC who can develop a QB, its that simple.

No.

The Chiefs need an offensive minded head coach that will PLAY a rookie QB from Day One.

They need an offensive coordinator that will game plan around the rookie QB's strengths and hide his weaknesses as much as possible.

And they need a strong, experienced QB coach.

well fucxk just get marty back

I do not think HC is the problem think is the big canoli

head coach give me crazy ass todd
gm marty
owner of in the far east watching boys in shorts kicking balls
hey what ever keeps him out of football

I like gruden and billick

What? The guy who was fired in multiple cities because he insisted on personnel control when he was clueless?

Mike ****ing Junkin. #5 overall. GREAT Pick, Marty!

Full......retart...

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Soooooo, cp as SNAFU as always?

We could, but only if they fit our vision of what the owner (in a perfect world where Clark has a clear vision of what he want's) agrees...

I would love to have any of the three coaches initially mentioned.

Because of a few reasons

1) his defensive philosophy meshes PERFECTLY with the strengths of our defensive personnel.

2) he has a lot of ties to Pittsburgh and they have always had the formula for winning.

3) he knows it takes a franchise quarterback to win.

4) he has ties to KC and wouldn't need to completely overhaul the roster to make us competitive and if he gets a quarterback we could contend inside of 2 years.

Bullshit.

All of it.

Plus, he clearly has NO desire to coach again at age 55, so why drag him back in?

It's not like he always had an elite QB. I never got the impression he was always desperate or believed that it's all he needed.

Not all of it is bullshit.

1. Cowher's philosophy does mesh well, especially considering the personnel we have.

2. Valid.

3. Meh. He did play Kordell Stewart and Maddox

4. Definitely agree with this. Although, Cowher will likely overturn the roster due to change from 2 to 1-gap and from a regime change.


That being said, I still don't want Cowher unless he could steal Keith Butler away from Pittsburgh.

That for me, is the only way I could personally enjoy Cowher being here (success notwithstanding)

LMAO

Did Bill Walsh quit the year after he won his first Super Bowl?

Lombardi? Landry? Noll? Shanahan? Billick? McCarthy?

How about Holmgren? Flores? Belichick? Coughlin?

Do you "get it" or not?

Cowher dint believe in it, either.

Kent Graham, Mike Tomczack, Tommy Maddox, etc.

If you're trying to say that every human being has the same reasoning and motivations to continue in a difficult line of work that is taxing notbonly physically but mentally as well, IDK what to say to you. Besides the obvious fact that is is ignorant and incorrect.


I know plenty of people who are Olympic and NCAA champs who didn't compete and who didn't have the same level of motivation after winning a championship. Not every person is the same.


That being said, I DON'T WANT COWHER!

Totally. My main point against hiring Cowher.

JFC. The guy hasn't coached since 2006.

2006.

Why defend the possibly of his hire?

yeah, Vermeil didnt coach for 20 ****ing years and came back and won in St Louis, for whatever reasons anyone wants to spin, he did it.

That being said, i dont want Cowher either, i really dont care who, if we dont get a qb, it all means nothing.

Because it is a MB and we deal in hypotheticals here. I like to hear others opinions and take the good and bad from all perspectives.

I agree with you Dane.

Personally, I couldn't justify hiring him, despite his accolades. Not only are our philosophical beliefs different but our backgrounds and evaluations processes are different (again, this is from the GM perspective)

However, worst case scenario, if Cowher somehow was hired, I think that him coming into our 3-4 personnel and his experiences as a head coach/in KC wouldn't serve as a hindrance.

Vermeil's record was shit. He was about to be fired after three years on the job.

John Shaw FORCED Mike Martz on him, took away his personnel decisions, signed Trent Green, traded for Marshall Faulk, drafted Torrey Holt and so on

The Chiefs situation isn't even remotely similar, nor is Cowher.

Again, he still did it for WHATEVER reasons you want to throw out there. He still had the passion to come back after that long and win. Hell, he even had the Chiefs at 13 and 3 after he left St Louis. Oh well.

Anyways, We all know its gonna be a ****ing Pioli buddy system hire if he's still around which he probably will as he has 1 more year left.

His "passion" was hooking up his friends with final paydays

No playoff wins, one playoff appearance but worse, a roster in need of serious repair.

He ****ed the Chiefs bigger than Levy, Mackovic, Schottenheimer, Gunther and Edwards COMBINED.

None of them

Billick the Prick

His having won a Super Bowl would be a hindrance though.

Unless you're suggesting Cowher is good enough to become the only coach in NFL history to win one with 2 different teams.

I've changed my mind. I originally wanted Rob Ryan. I would still be ok with him. But I've decided I want someone else:

David Shaw.

The guy played WR at Stanford under Dennis Green and Bill Walsh.
His dad was a coach (in KC once).
He's been an Assistant Coach in the NFL for three teams.
He's coached under Jim Harbaugh.

He has a great track record of developing players, and would be perfect as a HC to develop a drafted franchise QB (he's been a QB coach).

To say his players are smart is a bit redundant as he coaches at Stanford.

Nonetheless, I think he'll be a helluva head coach in the NFL, and I'd love to see him in Kansas City. He looks good in red. (EDIT: And he just turned 40...perfect age/temperament)

There is really nothing new under the sun, we just need someone who can win despite the cheapass owner. I really don't want Cowher though, he had some bad teams in Pittsburgh. I would like to have Gruden and that's about it off of this short list.

Cowher or Gruden would bring instant creditility to KC and both would change the attitude of the team to lean and mean.

What is the success rate of reaching the Super Bowl for retread coaches on their second or third team?

Credibility? With whom? The fans?

:facepalm:

Yeah, great. It would be awesome if cHunt appeases the fans instead of hiring the best possible head coach and coaching staff.

LOL