Where I said death was wished upon me in that anti-soccer thread.

Your rationalization falls as short as you crying about how soccer fans treated you. This is pretty fantastic. The situation was everything you said it wasn't...you even admitted to "poking the bear" when I predicted it was probably the case. I didn't even have to see the specific situation.

Moral victories don't do anything for me.

Ties suck more balls than a gay couple on holiday in San Fransico.

It isn't a moral victory. It is an outcome that effects the results.

Anyone who told you that you didn't understand soccer was right. You are showing you have a basic lack of understanding of the game.

A tie earns much needed points that account for your place in the standings.

No team or fans of any team ever walk away from a tie without the impression that one team did its job and another didn't.

I guess me putting "poking the bear" between a pair of quotation marks didn't convey the proper tone of those words. Damned written language.

Damn Jamie playing the victim card to a group of soccer fans. Poor troll got troll'd in his own thread. ROFL

The great soccer debate between Zach and Jamie has ended. It was amazing but it still ended in a tie. Zach is ecstatic. Jamie hates soccer even more.

He just doesn't understand it.

No, I understand it, I just do not agree with the way it works. If neither team wins then neither team deserves points.

It is a fundamental difference in our thinking that we just will not agree on.

Not everyone understands things on the surface. It is ok if you are not up to the task and have to stoop to homosexual banter.

You are still a decent guy. If you were here I would give a high five. Not everyone can discuss facts. It is tough.

OK.

People are mean on the internet. I understand.

You should have given them a red card Jamie.

Or two yellow cards.

Oh, I don't have to stoop to homosexual banter, I merely choose to. It's like discussing politics; no matter what one side gives the other it is a losing argument. So no reason to take the discussion too serious.

Interesting.

Heh. You seriously believe I got my feelings hurt. That's funny to me.

Sorry, buddy, not really my type. ;)

I have a latin thing....

Play it cool.

I'm trying but it is getting really hard to hold up the ruse....

Aw fuck it :deevee:

Tell me more.

It hurt so bad. They were so mean. I've never experienced anything like that on the internet before. I had to have therapy. I still have the occasional nightmare. I just want the pain to go away.

Hunts need to free up cash for the new San Francisco stadium

It's a rare thing, indeed, when two men high five each other over homosexual banter.

FAX

I was listening to this commercial thing the other day and the announcer guy was talking about "Soccer moms" but I thought he said, "Soccer bombs" and I thought, "Cool. I like that idea. Instead of a ball, they kick around one of those round, black, anarchist bombs that Wile E. Coyote used to like so much and the team who has the ball bomb last loses 4 points and a foot."

FAX

Soccer faces many of the same flaws that hockey faces. Both are fun in person but the way the game plays out is all too often anti-climatic, un-suspenseful, and boring. A three nothing lead in soccer with 40 minutes left is a snooze fest. Watching teams play keep away for twenty minutes is painful. You don't see a football team get to the opposing team's 40 yard line then retreat back to their own 10 so they can start over again and burn the clock some more.

hold on, What?
explain this again please...

This.

He still owns FC Dallas and he's majorly vested in the MLS so this doesn't mean he's getting out of soccer. He's not a complete idiot. Maybe it means he's selling his teams outside of Texas. THAT would be awesome. Get some local owners to own the team and watch things change for the better...fingers crossed for the Chiefs.

LOVE IT. I think the sports media is embracing a winner in KC because they now it's sooo freakin rare. The fact that it's soccer and that KC has a long standing history of being a soccer town (since the 60s) is just icing on the cake. We are now on the international map as a destination to play in Livestrong. That can only mean good things for the future of KC because big named players who never heard of KC will consider coming here do to the stadium, fan base, owners, franchise...etc.

Since he couldn't trick Pioli into signing an extension with a new buyout clause it will take some loot to give Scotty the boot

Have you tried clicking on any of the links provided about the time of that post?

Very well said. My exact thoughts as well, but i understand soccer has a niche.

Also, while i admire what Sporting KC has done, i wonder how much of their rise in popularity has to do the Chiefs and Royals alienating their fanbase away? Would Sporting KC be nearly as popular if the Chiefs and Royals were winning?

That's what you get in a sport created by communists.

:evil:

Yes, they would but maybe not as fast of a turnaround.

The growth of soccer has steadily increased over the past fifteen years. Not just in loser KC but other places in the US. That means it's popular in places where there are winning franchises not just in downtrodden markets.

The growth of the internet and social media and it's acceptance with a younger demographic, many of whom played soccer, has helped expedite the popularity of the sport as its now easier to follow without major media coverage. It's one of the sports that has grown in popularity WITHOUT major media being involved. ESPN and NBC Sports jumped on board when they saw the upward trajectory of popularity. THEY DID NOT CREATE IT. Now with increased media coverage and games being seen almost every week the growth will continue.

Back to KC, many of the younger fan base of SKC has NEVER seen a winner in this town either as a child or as a young adult. The fact that SKC got to the semifinals in their first year of rebrand and aggressively targeted and marketed towards a younger demographic was not only pure genius but a bit of good fortune.

In addition, their becoming the largest youth soccer club in JOCO and all ages of kids wearing a Sporting shield on their uniform will practically guarantee a perpetual interest in the team. What kid going to Sporting games won't want to wear their shield while playing and vice versa. I know if my son wasn't in his last years of club soccer it would be a huge draw for him.

The young and visionary owners of SKC have laid the groundwork for a good deal of sustained success. Will it fall apart if the team starts to fail? Maybe but probably not any more than what we see with the Chiefs or Royals. There will be a core group of fans who follow the sport and love their team no matter what. Like the Royals and Chiefs.

-Sheldon Cooper

Great points. I also think that MLB has steadily been losing the attention of younger generations for years.

Its almost as if kids are saying now "MLB, yea, my Grandpa and Dad like to watch that"

It doesnt help much when their playoff games run until Midnight on school nights.

I do know friends that go to SPKC games purely because they are winners. They care less about soccer as a whole. If the Royals and Chiefs were winners they would never go to a soccer game. Then again these guys would prefer we had the NHL though.

Due to infiltration of foreign governments, communists, Muslims, and illegal aliens.

I think MLB is just too slow and quiet for this ADHD constant stimulation generation. The piped in organ music doesn't help. That is why baseball stadiums like the Royals have done things to add an excitement element to the game. Like beer gardens and playgrounds. If they really wanted to make it interesting they'd mix the two...

:hmmm::evil:

I like baseball and enjoy going to the games but there is no one in my house who will go. They find it incredibly boring.

THE TRUTH.

Truth be told, I know there is a portion of an SKC crowd going for the meat market/party element. You see them not paying attention to the game but rather to the crowd. Whatever. If it's known as a place to go and have a good time because you can meet people then so be it...

It's eye candyville.

At least this guy will do anything to score.
Thanks I'll be here all week.
Tip your waitress, try the veal!

Just my 2 cents -

For anyone thinking a 3-0 game with 40 min left is a snooze fest - think again -

Barcelona 5-4 away winner vs Deportivo La Coruna this last weekend was amazing -

Barcelona has not lost this season, and Deportivo is in relegation zone -

Barcelona was up 3-0 19 min in - this one went down to the wire. Messi was insane -

I dont care who you are - but if you dont like soccer, and just watch Barcelona and Messi play, its hard not to like them and the sport.

Anyways - Im from Argentina, and I live soccer, Sporting is my US team and while sometimes really hard to watch (as the play is not as fluid as my national team, or local argentina team i root for) its still fun.

Saturday's game vs. NYRB was retina burn inducing. Jimmy was the only player in blue worth watching. Alas, even while having a crappy game and looking flat they still managed to get a point and keep their streak alive. :clap:

I've always wondered how soccer fans from around the world would like US soccer.

I wonder if American soccer to them is what Arena league is to us football fans.

that was very hard to watch - and while Jimmy played incredibly - we were lucky not to lose that game.

i dont remember the last time I watched a game as painful as that one (i think it was worse as I had just watched the Barcelona game).

Aren't the origins of this rooted in a Mayan ritual where the winning team would be killed as a tribute to the gods?

The MLS in my country is looked at as "the retirement league" - where good/great players go to end their career.

Schelotto (Crew) is the one that comes to mind in the last few years who were bench material in Argentina and ended up being the MVP. He was one of my favorite players on my team (Boca Juniors) and he was at the end of his playing career. Came here - and just killed it.

Federico Higuain (Real's Bro) is younger (28) and is staring to buck the trend of younger players coming to play here - but all in all - everyones first choice is Europe. Spain - Italy - England - France, etc in that order. (At least in my country).

Not that any of the haters will read this but here is an article which describes how SportingKC's model could be the future of SPORTS IN THE US. Not just soccer....

http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/s...ution-in-sport

This. Move your ass to town and TAKE CHARGE.

If I am forced to become a soccer fan, I think I will cry.

Good gawd.

Drop this mother****er and as you're standing over him tell him "You're WRONG! YOUR ARE THOUGHT-RESISTANT AND ****ING WRONG!"

Then hide from the cops...

The best team in the league barely scores more than 1 goal a game on average?

How the **** can people watch that shit?

And this is coming from someone who watches plenty of soccer at work...UEFA, Olympic soccer, etc....

It's just not for everyone.

The future Mrs. CHunt. (Note to CHunt: before writing pre-nup, see if Tavia has any sisters, and keep creepy older brother away at all costs...)

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Same way fans can find a low scoring NFL team with a stellar defense exciting. Especially if they are winning the division, playoffs, and championships.

No one finds that shit exciting anymore.

Even the Baltimore Ravens have an explosive passing offense.

Low-scoring teams suck dick.

Whatever wins championships is exciting. Period. You can have the highest scoring team in the league be a bummer to watch if their defense is not able to stop one less point than the offense can score. If they aren't winning games they aren't getting to the playoffs and not winning championships.

SKC is exciting even though they don't score many goals. They've shut out their opponent 15 times. That is not an accident. Not only to they have a stellar defense (usually, was MIA on Saturday night) but the goalkeeping has been extraordinary.

The family lost their oil earnings back in the 80s, so sports teams are their major source of income. They have made all decisions based on the Chiefs being profitable. The only way he sells the Chiefs is if someone overpays him for it so that he can branch off into other businesses.

Don't forget whats her name.

:spock: the Hunt family still make a boat load of money from oil/gas. Chunt is diversifying the family businesses, but they still get a good chunk from that. The Hunts are still big deals in the business world down here in DFW

LMAO

This is happening less and less and less.

Different fans enjoy a team or sport for different reasons be it SKC, Chiefs, or Royals.

You are kidding right? At a soccer game, they stand up? Aren't most games ending up 1 to zip?

You seem to be under the impression that the only exciting part of the game is when they score.

ROFL Oh yeah; I'd be outta' my chair for the WHOLE THING.

Probably hanging out at the beer stand...

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Those were just conference standings. Kansas City is known over all as being just a "good" offensive team but is without a doubt the best defense in the league.

The big high scoring team is in San Jose.

I hope the Cleveland deal got him to think about selling.


1 Billion is a LOT of money.

Was there. Saw it live (between not being able to look) and have seen it a hundred times since. It still gives me goosebumps. What an amazing night. My 16 year old was so excited. He didn't see the last KU championship because it ended past his bed time and they were losing when he went to bed. He had never seen any KC team win anything. To him it was Superbowl/World Series like excitement. That was the absolute best part of winning the US Open Cup. Seeing young people so happy to see someone win something in this freakin loser town.

I enjoy good defense as much as about anyone, but that scoring average is indicative of my interest in that game, low.

To be honest though, we have a facility down in Brazil. OMG, those people are stark raving mad about the game. I can't help but feel it is some sort of SDS, they are better at something than we are.

Yeah, I guess watching these guys chasing that ball all over that huge field and using their head as a bat is really exciting once you "get it."

Was that guy trying to kick a field goal?

Zach.

When are you going to realize that showing pics ans videos of soccer only hurts your case?

Not going to bash soccer, it's just not my thing.

I understand it. I share the same view about NASCAR. Who wants to watch five million laps in case of one incredible crash? Then if I see a crash I feel guilty for watching just to see one...no thanks.


But I do love hockey and it's a low scoring game as well.

I figure there is a segment of the population of 40+ who absolutely hate soccer and will likely not budge on that sentiment. Unless they fell in love with the sport when their kid was playing it. That is fine because they are not the target demographic. There are people in their mid to late 30s who are open to the idea if you can get them to a game or two they might become permanent fans but generally they have less distrust or disdain for the sport. They are not the most important demographic to win over right now.

I think 20-35 somethings are. They grew up playing and watching. They tend to be more tech savvy and open to new experiences. Likewise, they tend to be more comfortable with different races and nationalities judging the athletes for their skill vs. place of birth. They are less concerned with the lack of an established American dominance in the sport but want to be a part of watching it get there. This is the age group that if they go to LSP they will return almost without exception. We've taken my son's friends in this age group who had sworn off the sport after they stopped playing or just never kept an interest and they became huge fans. Matter of fact, I can't count how many times I've seen this age group at games with small infants or toddlers in tow. The games tend to be less expensive and if you sit in the more family friendly sections it is a great time for young families. I imagine the kids in these families will grow up playing and loving soccer. What do you know, you have created your future fans.

I liked the article but while the games might be the similar the fan experiences are quite different. Baseball pipes those organ chants over the PA at strategic down times. Fans might begin a clap or a wave spontaneously but for the most part there is a buzz only slightly more audible than a tennis match.

Unlike LSP and some of the other soccer stadiums in the US as well as most of them worldwide. There is singing, chanting, drums, horns, marching and, if you are lucky, even Jesus. I liken the crowd at soccer games more to a college football or basketball game. The chants, even the ones used at most matches, are grass roots. If the crowd is not generating the enthusiasm then the stadium PA isn't pumping in cheers or chants. Yes, they might a couple at the beginning or at the start of second half (IBTWWW, for instance) but for the most part they let the fans do their thing. I love, love, love that aspect of the game. You go not just to watch but to be interactive. You make a pact to get the crowd up and keep them there. It's work in the Cauldron. Doing so creates that 12 man and creates reputations like LSP has.

The fan experience is so different because soccer is constantly moving, while baseball's in-between action takes more time than its action.

Ironically, you could say the same about football as well. I think the average time the ball is actually in play in a typical game is only like 5 or 6 minutes.