ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Will a blackout work? - Mellinger (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266658)

Hammock Parties 11-15-2012 09:09 PM

This shouldn't be the end of the blackout movement, IMO.

When we get our asses kicked this weekend, push to black out the next two home games.

Phobia 11-15-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9121347)
FWIW, I work at a place where Chiefs merchandise is sold. Nothing Chiefs is selling these days but this week if it's selling it's black.

That's encouraging. Thanks.

Phobia 11-15-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9121841)
Well surely you knew this going in when it was decided to take the SOC in this direction.

I kinda jumped in after this decision was made. Never been a huge fan of the idea simply because I've always thought it was going to be tough to even get 20-30% black shirt wearers. That said, I've done my very best to push the message and support it and will continue to do so. Also plan to attend specifically for the blackout which will be my first game this season. Didn't really have any intentions of going until this.

BigRedChief 11-15-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9122199)
This shouldn't be the end of the blackout movement, IMO.

When we get our asses kicked this weekend, push to black out the next two home games.

Dude, if it flops, you let the idea go. Basic 101.

tk13 11-15-2012 09:43 PM

I don't know about that. If it does reasonably well at all you've raised awareness and continue to push it and try to increase participation.

stevieray 11-15-2012 09:48 PM

Sad to say, but I think the people in black isn't going to be that noticeable for two reasons.

1) Rabid, hardcore fans that live and die Chiefs isn't a huge number...in the context of being vocal...I think the apathetic numbers are growing.

2)A good deal of people out there don't even wear Chiefs gear and are only there to be seen. ..It's a social event.

I'm wondering if it's going to cause confrontations among the hardcore fan base.

...all these are just my opinion, and I'll admit, I'm curious and even a little anxious to see how it all plays out...I could be wrong on all accounts.

Deberg_1990 11-15-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 9122271)
Sad to say, but I think the people in black isn't going to be that noticeable for two reasons.

1) rabid, hardcore fans that live and die Chiefs isn't a huge number...in the context of being vocal...I think the apathetic numbers are growing.

2)A good deal of people out there don't even wear Chiefs gear and are only there to be seen. ..It's a social event.

I'm wondering if it's going to cause confrontations among the hardcore fan base.

...all these are just my opinion, and I'll admit, I'm curious and even a little anxious to see how it all play out...

heh, my thoughts exactly. The Die hard, passionate fanbase which this boards represents, is probably only around 20-30% anyways. The rest of the fans that show up there are apathetic, just looking to have a good time or the type of fan that thinks the Chiefs can do no wrong.

Hopefully theres no violence.......

BigRedChief 11-15-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9122263)
I don't know about that. If it does reasonably well at all you've raised awareness and continue to push it and try to increase participation.

Has anyone on here ever taken a marketing class? Done any PR? :facepalm:

DaFace 11-15-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9122273)
Hopefully theres no violence.......

If there is violence over this, I would seriously consider whether I belong in this fan base. That would be unfathomably idiotic.

DaneMcCloud 11-15-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9122273)

Hopefully theres no violence.......

Violence?

Bugeater 11-15-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9122293)
If there is violence over this, I would seriously consider whether I belong in this fan base. That would be unfathomably idiotic.

Your choice to be a fan.

lewdog 11-15-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9122304)
Your choice to be a fan.

Your choice to be a butteater.

Phobia 11-15-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9122293)
If there is violence over this, I would seriously consider whether I belong in this fan base. That would be unfathomably idiotic.

There is a contingent which keeps talking about it. They're not threatening violence but it's almost like they're borderline promoting it. I'm not going to jail over stupid black shirts and this crappy team but I will defend myself very well if assaulted.

|Zach| 11-15-2012 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9122199)
This shouldn't be the end of the blackout movement, IMO.

When we get our asses kicked this weekend, push to black out the next two home games.

Diminishing returns.

|Zach| 11-15-2012 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9122277)
Has anyone on here ever taken a marketing class? Done any PR? :facepalm:

I pretty much hate every single post you make these days.

|Zach| 11-15-2012 10:31 PM

I am skeptical the needle can be moved that much more though through no fault of SOC's. There really isn't some deeper level of saturation this message can really make.

Deberg_1990 11-15-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9122312)
There is a contingent which keeps talking about it. They're not threatening violence but it's almost like they're borderline promoting it. I'm not going to jail over stupid black shirts and this crappy team but I will defend myself very well if assaulted.

Why is that? Where are these misperceptions about SOC coming from?

Brock 11-15-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9122277)
Has anyone on here ever taken a marketing class? Done any PR? :facepalm:

Is this another topic you're an expert in?

|Zach| 11-15-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9122351)
Is this another topic you're an expert in?

LMAO

Phobia 11-16-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9122335)
Why is that? Where are these misperceptions about SOC coming from?

There's a group of women affiliated with that Koolaid goofball. Most of the crap comes from that direction.

|Zach| 11-16-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9122458)
There's a group of women affiliated with that Koolaid goofball. Most of the crap comes from that direction.

Clowns...the lot of them.

007 11-16-2012 12:54 AM

I sure hope there is a significant enough turnout for this on Sunday. Of course, it will be played down no matter how many of us there are.

Simply Red 11-16-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9122312)
There is a contingent which keeps talking about it. They're not threatening violence but it's almost like they're borderline promoting it. I'm not going to jail over stupid black shirts and this crappy team but I will defend myself very well if assaulted.

Phil I've got your back champ.

AussieChiefsFan 11-16-2012 01:28 AM

Yea, this could really easily look like all hype with no effect afterwards. But none-the-less SOC has made an impact.

BossChief 11-16-2012 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9122458)
There's a group of women affiliated with that Koolaid goofball. Most of the crap comes from that direction.

truly ironic

007 11-16-2012 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9122458)
There's a group of women affiliated with that Koolaid goofball. Most of the crap comes from that direction.

Would you stop bringing that guy up. :evil:

Phobia 11-16-2012 02:39 AM

I'm sorry. It's true. I don't chase it. It chases me. JD Prez Jr. is in the house.

soopamanluva 11-16-2012 07:30 AM

im just not going anymore. Ill eat the money for the ST. its the pricniple of the matter now. Everything they have done, they dont deserve my support.

memyselfI 11-16-2012 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9121888)
The only thing that can go wrong is exactly what he says in the article... Clark sees it and thinks it's only a small portion of crazies who are upset and decides to give Pioli 2 more years. Otherwise it's probably positive promotion.

But that's the risk you take when you go from almost a guerrilla warfare style of getting someone's attention to putting yourself out in the open and saying come at me. All the mystery is gone.

Holy Blackfire, Batman.

Here's hoping that isn't the case.

R8RFAN 11-16-2012 07:41 AM

Hell Ya!!!! Lets cripple these sons of bitches

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-cont...money_pit.jpeg

King_Chief_Fan 11-16-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9121888)
The only thing that can go wrong is exactly what he says in the article... Clark sees it and thinks it's only a small portion of crazies who are upset and decides to give Pioli 2 more years. Otherwise it's probably positive promotion.

But that's the risk you take when you go from almost a guerrilla warfare style of getting someone's attention to putting yourself out in the open and saying come at me. All the mystery is gone.


If Hunt is that big of a dufus, then his franchise is headed for serious peril.
Will that be enough for season ticket holders to give it up?

Hunt should know that a few thousand represents a lot more. Not everyone who agrees with the SOC movement can attend. If he is smart he is taking all this in and let's hope he realizes what he needs to do.

Nzoner 11-16-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9122248)
Dude, if it flops, you let the idea go. Basic 101.

:shake:

"I never see failure as failure but only as the game I must play to win."

58-4ever 11-16-2012 10:39 AM

Someone tried to sell me a ticket for 70 dollars today. I laughed in his face. I wouldn't pay 70 dollars to sit on the bench.

Phobia 11-16-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9122651)
Hell Ya!!!! Lets cripple these sons of bitches

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-cont...money_pit.jpeg

Don't think you've been paying attention.

Phobia 11-16-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 9123090)
Someone tried to sell me a ticket for 70 dollars today. I laughed in his face. I wouldn't pay 70 dollars to sit on the bench.

I made a friend really mad laughing at him for asking face value for his 4 seats and offering to throw the parking pass in for free.

Rausch 11-16-2012 11:45 AM

That's the main reason why it should be the 1st game, not "the game."

Blackout Arrowhead should now be ( with the Raiders games behind us) an every week movement and push.

Don't do this one week do this every week, starting this week.

Phobia 11-16-2012 11:49 AM

Lets just see what happens this game.

notorious 11-16-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9123273)
That's the main reason why it should be the 1st game, not "the game."

Blackout Arrowhead should now be ( with the Raiders games behind us) an every week movement and push.

Don't do this one week do this every week, starting this week.

This.

People at the stadium will see the black and think,"That's a good idea".


Next thing you know it grows x2 every home game. Give it time.

Rausch 11-16-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9123283)
Lets just see what happens this game.

It will be minimal.

We all know that.

But if it's a movement, like pushing out a very hard and very uncomfortable turd, it could grow.

Then again being timid like Clark might be more civilized and appreciated by those in management and they'll respond to our requests...

notorious 11-16-2012 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9123290)

But if it's a movement, like pushing out a very hard and very uncomfortable turd, it could grow.

...

Reads like poetry. LMAO

Rausch 11-16-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9123294)
Reads like poetry. LMAO

It's appropriate...

Chiefnj2 11-16-2012 11:55 AM

The people wearing black need to stay to the end of the game even if it is a blowout. The few black shirts will stand out more when the stadium starts to empty at halftime.

R8RFAN 11-16-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9123154)
Don't think you've been paying attention.

Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

Rausch 11-16-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9123326)
Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

You have no clue at all...

Phobia 11-16-2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9123326)
Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

I definitely value your opinion.

Rausch 11-16-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9123343)
I definitely value your opinion.

You're clearly practicing for an upcoming interview...

Deberg_1990 11-16-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9123326)
Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

I think you might be the worst financial advisor on this board.

Chief Roundup 11-16-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9123326)
Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

This word is incorrect IMO. Unless you are just doing a little trolling. Which I have noticed you doing a lot more lately.
I personally don't mean any shame at all. It is merely trying to show the franchise that the fans love this franchise and that the direction lately is not acceptable. Doing things like this is the only way for fans to communicate with the franchise. Letters don't send a strong enough message.

Chief Roundup 11-16-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9123348)
You're clearly practicing for an upcoming interview...

More like a public office.

jlw62987 11-16-2012 01:27 PM

Blackout will fail
 
Most people don't even know what the Blackout even means. Its going to be the same red we see every Sunday.

Cephalic Trauma 11-16-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlw62987 (Post 9123473)
Most people don't even know what the Blackout even means. Its going to be the same red we see every Sunday.

And you know this how?

Cephalic Trauma 11-16-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9123326)
Oh yes I have... You all want to shame the franchise to the point the base does not spend any money with them...


I think you guys are possibly the worst fans in the NFL

Or the best, depending how you look at it. It's clear a good portion of this fan base actually cares enough to organize a movement that has clearly gained some steam. How much, I don't really know, but it's a valiant effort.

hometeam 11-16-2012 01:54 PM

On the note of negative things being said about SOC and the blackout, there is a post in the Chiefs Crowd facebook today where a woman has decided that SOC has promoted violence against other fans and players, including possibly throwing things at or even SHOOTING at Matt Cassel.

Graystoke 11-16-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123525)
On the note of negative things being said about SOC and the blackout, there is a post in the Chiefs Crowd facebook today where a woman has decided that SOC has promoted violence against other fans and players, including possibly throwing things at or even SHOOTING at Matt Cassel.

If Matt Cassel shot Matt Cassel....he would miss

Sorter 11-16-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlw62987 (Post 9123473)
Most people don't even know what the Blackout even means. Its going to be the same red we see every Sunday.

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/u...lzbeanhero.gif

Bearcat 11-16-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123525)
On the note of negative things being said about SOC and the blackout, there is a post in the Chiefs Crowd facebook today where a woman has decided that SOC has promoted violence against other fans and players, including possibly throwing things at or even SHOOTING at Matt Cassel.

:facepalm:

I'm sure they're waiting for the moment they can call the blackout a failure... Barry will probably have 8 podcasts dedicated to the amount of black in the crowd.

The ignorance and stupidity is overwhelming.

hometeam 11-16-2012 02:29 PM

Digging a little deeper, there is a whole faction over at CC who believe that the SOC movements motto is 'Divide our fans' and that we are contacting national and local media to destroy the reputation of Chiefs fans around the league. These people are living in SUCH a fantasy world. Reminds me of scientologists or something.

Sorter 11-16-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123596)
Digging a little deeper, there is a whole faction over at CC who believe that the SOC movements motto is 'Divide our fans' and that we are contacting national and local media to destroy the reputation of Chiefs fans around the league. These people are living in SUCH a fantasy world. Reminds me of scientologists or something.

ROFL, seriously?


Wow. I guess BlackBob's origin makes a little more sense now.

Bearcat 11-16-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123596)
Digging a little deeper, there is a whole faction over at CC who believe that the SOC movements motto is 'Divide our fans' and that we are contacting national and local media to destroy the reputation of Chiefs fans around the league. These people are living in SUCH a fantasy world. Reminds me of scientologists or something.

Some of the posts I read on FB give me flashbacks to high school... people are far more concerned about what others (the media) think of them than why they show up. It's not about wins, and even if it is, it's nothing compared to our reputation as a fanbase. Give me a freakin' break. Even when ESPN picks up on the drama of supposedly cheering Cassel's injury, they move onto the next shiny drama a day later and everyone goes back to not caring about this or any other fanbase.

Cephalic Trauma 11-16-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9123633)
Some of the posts I read on FB give me flashbacks to high school... people are far more concerned about what others (the media) think of them than why they show up. It's not about wins, and even if it is, it's nothing compared to our reputation as a fanbase. Give me a freakin' break. Even when ESPN picks up on the drama of supposedly cheering Cassel's injury, they move onto the next shiny drama a day later and everyone goes back to not caring about this or any other fanbase.

Well said.

R8RFAN 11-16-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9123387)
I think you might be the worst financial advisor on this board.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24696719.jpg

bevischief 11-16-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123596)
Digging a little deeper, there is a whole faction over at CC who believe that the SOC movements motto is 'Divide our fans' and that we are contacting national and local media to destroy the reputation of Chiefs fans around the league. These people are living in SUCH a fantasy world. Reminds me of scientologists or something.

Wow. ROFL.
With all the radio and TV time this movement has gotten. Just can't get thru to some people...

Nzoner 11-17-2012 07:36 AM

Heard Sam on 610 yesterday and he will not be wearing black although they are predicting that some of the media will be.

Deberg_1990 11-17-2012 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 9124644)
Heard Sam on 610 yesterday and he will not be wearing black although they are predicting that some of the media will be.

I thought the media was supposed to stay impartial?

bevischief 11-17-2012 07:53 AM

I will have my black underwear on for tomorrow's game.

BigRedChief 11-17-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9124659)
I will have my black underwear on for tomorrow's game.

For the love of God, no pictures please.

AussieChiefsFan 11-17-2012 08:13 AM

LMAO
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9124682)
For the love of God, no pictures please.


BigRedChief 11-17-2012 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123525)
On the note of negative things being said about SOC and the blackout, there is a post in the Chiefs Crowd facebook today where a woman has decided that SOC has promoted violence against other fans and players, including possibly throwing things at or even SHOOTING at Matt Cassel.

The only option is to ignore these people. You will not change their mind, they have to do this on their own. And if you take that time to speak truth to them, you get bogged down and don't keep moving forward.

Rausch 11-17-2012 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9123596)
Digging a little deeper, there is a whole faction over at CC who believe that the SOC movements motto is 'Divide our fans' and that we are contacting national and local media to destroy the reputation of Chiefs fans around the league.

They have a big case of internets penis envy...

WhiteWhale 11-17-2012 08:58 AM

In my eyes, this wearing black stuff is just hand wringing.

Clark will fire Pioli if he cares enough to win football games. If he's stupid enough to keep drinking the kool-aid after this shit show, I'm not watching the chiefs until he's fired. I'm done.

Regardless of if you wear black at this point the opinion of the fanbase is pretty well known to anyone paying attention at all. The ball is in his court. I'm done flailing my arms about it.

Phobia 11-17-2012 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9124710)
In my eyes, this wearing black stuff is just hand wringing.

Clark will fire Pioli if he cares enough to win football games. If he's stupid enough to keep drinking the kool-aid after this shit show, I'm not watching the chiefs until he's fired. I'm done.

Regardless of if you wear black at this point the opinion of the fanbase is pretty well known to anyone paying attention at all. The ball is in his court. I'm done flailing my arms about it.

This is true. But Lamar kept this franchise at status quo for decades in the 70's and 80's. We're kinda hoping Clark won't repeat history. I think taking a stand is a whole lot better than just quitting. But we all cope differently and I'm sure I'll reach the "I quit" point someday too.

outhega 11-17-2012 09:14 AM

I don't think it a ton of people will wear black to the game. That being said I think when we start getting blown out and the people wearing red start leaving in the late 3rd and 4th quarters, you will see that the truly passionate fans still in the stands at the end of the game will be clad in black. That, to me, will be a pretty good statement.

Chiefs Pantalones 11-17-2012 09:15 AM

I think the blackout is pointless but I like and agree with the passion because that is how I feel. But I wouldn't fly banners or do a blackout. Clark will clean house because things are real bad (and they are), not because the fans are wearing black or flying banners. Results talk. Loss of money talks. Y'all should use the money being used for banners for a CP get together or an auction to help support the site or raffle off stuff or something like that. Clark isn't stupid. Pioli isn't coming back. He knows it'd be suicide. He's going to make changes because we're 1-8, not because we're flying banners and wearing black shirts.

R8RFAN 11-17-2012 09:17 AM

Admit you are wrong and back down now to save face.....

You are a fan, not the owner, if you don't like what you see, don't buy tickets.

Chief Roundup 11-17-2012 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9124729)
I think the blackout is pointless but I like and agree with the passion because that is how I feel. But I wouldn't fly banners or do a blackout. Clark will clean house because things are real bad (and they are), not because the fans are wearing black or flying banners. Results talk. Loss of money talks. Y'all should use the money being used for banners for a CP get together or an auction to help support the site or raffle off stuff or something like that. Clark isn't stupid. Pioli isn't coming back. He knows it'd be suicide. He's going to make changes because we're 1-8, not because we're flying banners and wearing black shirts.

Yeah we are 1-8 almost beat the Steelers. Granted they were minus Ben for some of the game but still it was our best game up to this point in the season. We still have the Raiders, Browns, on the road and the Panthers at Arrowhead that are winnable if we play like we did against the Steelers.
If we end up at 3-13 or 4-12 I am not so sure the Pioli gets the axe.

Chiefnj2 11-17-2012 09:36 AM

My gut tells me Pioli signed an extension after 2010 and Clark will not want to buy out the remainder.

Chief Roundup 11-17-2012 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9124732)
Admit you are wrong and back down now to save face.....

You are a fan, not the owner, if you don't like what you see, don't buy tickets.

We love our Chiefs. We are not wrong. We will not Back Down!

We are trying to restore the majesty back to Arrowhead that Pioli and this current regime has taken away.
We are not shaming this franchise as you have proclaimed.

Chief Roundup 11-17-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9124747)
My gut tells me Pioli signed an extension after 2010 and Clark will not want to buy out the remainder.

That is fear.

R8RFAN 11-17-2012 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9124748)
We love our Chiefs. We are not wrong. We will not Back Down!

We are trying to restore the majesty back to Arrowhead that Pioli and this current regime has taken away.
We are not shaming this franchise as you have proclaimed.

Good luck, I think a wedge is dividing the fanbase

ImAWalkingCorpse 11-17-2012 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9124755)
Good luck, I think a wedge is dividing the fanbase

His name is Scott Pioli.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:08 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.