I actually think that's great.

IF PIOLI RETURNS, SO DO WE.

This could be interpreted as we, the fans, will return if Pioli does.

We need to fly 2 banners!


:D

This is another threat and not a very good one at that. I really don't think Clark or Pioli care about the banners. It's not like they are wasting their money on them.

PIOLI LIED, BELCHER DIED

I guarantee you they care about the banners.

They make the organization look like a ****ing joke.

I would rather waste my money on a banner than the product they are selling me.

It's not a threat. It's an obvious statement of fact. The whole SOC thing is going to pretty much drop off a cliff once Pioli is fired. But that hasn't happened yet, so why stop?

I actually think it's more important than ever to send a message that NOTHING has changed. Otherwise it just looks like we're cool now, and that keeping Pioli is somehow understandable to us given all he's been through.

We Still Need Change - SaveOurChiefs.com

I like.

I 2nd this.

Hell yes. FIRE PIOLI YESTERDAY!

As long as everybody is prepared to deal with the potential backlash, I say go for it.

My only concern is that the dissent we saw before (aka All Caps DEB) was tiny in comparison to what might happen in the wake of the Belcher incident.

Voted no, but I have no say.

I voted no. At this point, Clark will either make the right choice or not. The banner will not likely have an impact at this point.

DRAFT GENO SMITH @ SAVEOURCHIEFS

If anything we need a message to get us a QBotf with our first pick of the draft.

I guess a good question would how will flying another banner effect the players? How's Jamal Charles going to feel about? I believe SOC statement has been heard and under the circumstances it's time to cease and desist. If not it's just going to look like a bunch of insensitive assholes who have lost their class. It was a pretty classy movement but flying another banner will take away from that.

That's my $.02 worth.

There is a much, much greater chance that the SOC movement comes off looking bad and insensitive than any benefit in flying a banner.

Clark isn't going to change his mind one way or the other if a final banner flies.

This. The heat has been on Pioli. Let's focus on our QB.

What is the potential backlash that you envision?

I wouldn't do it. The story will turn on the fans if you do. Honestly, I am blown away that the majority want to do it. I can't believe you are even considering it. I think it shows how out of touch with reality the fans here are. Any banner will make you look crazy on a national scale.

What happened to the idea/plan for donating the balance of the money to a fund for the Jovan's daughter?

If Clark needs the fans to provide counsel that the team needs a QB then the franchise is doomed. If he isn't aware of it yet, he never will be.

Too bad there isnt room to be supportive of the players yet at the same time give that one last punch to Pioli

This

those

I already voted but I'll probably have a better opinion of it in a few weeks.

It's not classless for the Chiefs to continue to play games in the wake of the tragedy. It shouldn't be considered classless for Clark Hunt to fire the coach or the GM after the season despite what they went through. It won't be considered classless when advertisers continue to sell their services/merchandise throughout Arrowhead and on TV during the game.

If everyone else can get back to business, it shouldn't be considered classless if SOC gets back to business too. Just make sure the banner isn't something inflammatory like "BELCHER COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE AND NEITHER CAN WE - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM" or something exploitative like "WE GRIEVE FOR ZOE - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM". It's probably unnecessary to mention PIOLI or CRENNEL by name too.

Well said. I couldn't agree more...

I feel like SOC needs to continue to put pressure, but in different ways. I read on the Facebook wall that there should be more grassroots efforts (e.g. letter writing campaigns to Clark Hunt) that are polite but tough. I also still believe this should be moving toward a more "don't you miss the old Arrowhead" approach (e.g. what happened to player radio shows, banners at Arrowhead, public community appearances, etc...). That changes the tone to "we still love our Chiefs and our players, and we don't understand why our GM distances us from them." That's a good message that shows we still support our players, but are pissed at the way our GM has made Arrowhead so sterile.

That makes a lot of sense to me. Here's an idea for a final game banner:

WRITE A LETTER TO MR. HUNT - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

And then have info on the front page of the website like an address, ideas about what kinds of letters to write, maybe even downloadable templates or the ability to write a letter online and send it through the website.

It SHOULDN'T be.

But it WILL be.

The only question remaining is how loud the backlash will be.

I voted yes. But the message needs to be positive.

No it won't be. Your fear is unjustified, IMO.

I have been listening to the radio pretty much non-stop since Saturday. I've heard several hosts and caller after caller say that firing Romeo and Pioli after this is cold and heartless.

There will be people that see this as classless - there ALREADY ARE people that see it that way.

The question remains as to how many people that will be.

3 posts and this guy is banned. ROFL

I'm all for a supportive banner like, "We support our players-SOC"

And if Clark has already made up his mind it won't matter one bit.

And in my mind what has happened will only ENCOURAGE him to fire them both.

The franchise needs to distance itself from this era as FAR AS POSSIBLE.

National media is cheering for the Chiefs to find success in the last qtr of the season.

No way Clark fires them now.

I just don't want chiefs fans to get any more negative references this year. I think Clark is going to do whatever he wants and really not sure he will listen either way

Donate whatever is leftover to the fund set up for the little girl.

Or create our own.

The chiefs strapped on helmets and played the next game.

Life goes on.

I would love to see us use the SOC money for that newborn though. We could push $$$ through a number of charities but when given the opportunity to directly help a person we should take it...

this is awesome

:clap:

If the chiefs, nfl, and players set up a fund for the girl she will be set financially. I think donating to a women's shelter would be a better use of funds

Then donate it to the ones in nebraska, funds are probably low after sunday

I like this. At least the money would stay in the Chiefs family.

SOC already promised money to a local charity. The Belcher girl is going to be well cared for by current Chiefs players, family, the Hunts, NFLPA, and other folks who decide to put money towards her fund. The grand or so that will be left in the SOC banner fund at the end of the year isn't going to impact that little girl either way but it might make a difference for little boys and girls who weren't born with the silver spoon of the NFL.

This.

Y'all are missing something here.

Flash forward to March 6, 2013. It' just another typical off-season day. Romeo Drives into the practice facility. Parks his car and has a flashback to Belcher ending his own life. Now move onto March 7, 2013 and the same thing occurs.

The point is this: What Romeo and Scott witnessed is a life-changing event and every day they are at the facility will be a haunting memory they can never escape. Smart money suggests both resign and everyone in the league from owners to personnel men to the media will totally understand why.

I just don't see how both want to continue in KC after this season.

We couldn't be that lucky. Chiefs fans never, ever, ever get that lucky. These guys need to be forced out with every possible effort. These bums get paid millions to do absolutely nothing for this team. One bad day isn't going to change anything for these losers.

I agree with Marty.

Not only do these guys have to go to work in a place they are both disliked, they are under a tremendous amount of stress after failing this year, may possibly be relying on a rookie QB to save their jobs, and get to walk through a place where they watched a guy die every day.

One of them is 65 years old. The other can walk away loaded down with Hunt money.

Why would they stay?

The burden is heavy at this point. They need not carry it. No one will praise them for it.

Because one has a giant ego because he happened to draft a great QB(after passing him over 5 times and who only got to play because Bledsoe got hurt) and the other one will never get another coaching job in this league if he retires and will insist on getting forced out.

Um, him RETIRING implies he doesn't WANT another coaching job in this league.

He's 65 years old.

While I agree that both of them are going to be haunted by this for the rest of their lives, I don't believe them stepping away is going to be that quick and quiet.

"WE STILL LOVE OUR CHIEFS-SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM"

Says shit still isn't good, but it's still supportive of the players/coaches regardless of how bad things are. And let's be honest...with everything that happens with this team, they're still our team. They may not win, but the guys on this team have been through a lot.

If he retires, he'd just retire from the Chiefs and end up somewhere else as an assistant within a year. He won't leave voluntarily unless he has something else lined up.

I agree with the guys that think there will be a mutual parting at the end of the year. As pointed out Romeo is of retiring age. My grandma went into retiring age thinking she could work well into her 70s, but that didn't happen because she faced a year in her career much like Romeos. Failure by her entire staff, and a tramatic real life event at work, ala belcher. There comes an age when a year like this sends you to the beach.

And Pioli is a smart enough guy to know enough is enough, it's time to step away. Job just didnt work out.

ROFL

Ok, he hasn't shown that thus far, but he can't be stupid enough to stay after all this. It would be bad for his future career.

That would be a horrible sight.

I disagree. He'll fight tooth and nail to hold on. If he gets fired at the end of this season he leaves a team that after four years of his management will have a top 2 or 3 pick in the draft.

If he gets another year he might be able to halfway fix it to look more mediocre than terrible. If he leaves now he has absolutely zero success to point to as a reason that anybody should ever take a chance on him again. He won't go voluntarily.

He'd owe the Chiefs money then.

You're assuming he even WANTS a future career right now.

No, it's not probable. But it's definitely possible that he's ready to give up on football, at least for a while.

The Chiefs, players and the NFL have already set up a fund.

So 70/30...we fly.

Just make it positive. Nothing anti Pioli.

Draft a QB
Hope springs internal
etc.etc.

There have been several excellent suggestions.

ROFL @ your signature banner. Did Bonekrusher do that for you?

As for Marty's post, while I agree that can happen I am not ready to just wait and hope that's the case. I would like to keep Clark aware that our feelings haven't changed.

FIRE PIOLI - FIRE PIOLI - SAVEOURCHIEFS

ROFL

We'll dial up the pressure in a tasteful way.

My post was simply to point out what the future holds. This could be a time when Clark allows both to resign, pays them and everyone moves on. There's no playbook to operate from in this situation. I just dont see how either or both can stay after seeing what they saw.

This...

I agree that is a positive statement despite the dictionary definition.

I think the emphasis should be on change in KC rather than specifically targeting Pioli and RAC. The message is the same but will reflect a whole lot better on the movement.

LOVE OUR CHIEFS-STILL NEED CHANGE

And this is another reason why I comfortably say keep going without having to explain. I have full trust that it will be done in the right way.

Fire Pioli

keep it nice and simple and strong

Yes and it should read "THE SEASON HAS BEEN A MIND BLOWING FAILURE"

my vote

ROFL

firing pioli gives us hope