Sounds like this photographer signed over the rights to the pictures that are all around the stadium.

He should be proud.

I'm sure he got compensated.

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Yep, you're a ****ing drama queen. Congratulations, Denise.

What? He didn't sign over those rights for that usage and was not compensated properly and he had to sue them.

LOL Precisely.

Because Clark and Lamar aren't the same person.

Clark fired Carl Peterson after 2 seasons, something Lamar couldn't do in TEN.

I'm not going to hang it all up after Clark's first hire, especially when that first hire is about to get fired.

I wish it was that easy... I wish there was another stadium with the atmosphere of mid-90s Arrowhead just down the street, or even simply a competitive football team above the level of NCAA Division II that didn't require a 3+ hour drive.

I watched maybe 2 minutes of the game yesterday, only because the Browns showed up on the RedZone channel a few times, and I haven't paid for a ticket since the home opener last year... so I guess I've moved on in that sense.... but damn, it sucks.

I'm not scared about it... I'ts like the apocalypse, just sit back and enjoy it. There's nothing you can do about it anyway.
If the Chiefs take Geno and get a proven winning coach, (say Reid, Gruden, etc) then this team will progress quickly.
If they draft Tyson Sims-Dorsey and select Todd McDaniels as coach, then sit back and enjoy the ass rape.

You're right. Lamar at least won a few things before he let the organization rot on the vine...Clark just thought he would fast forward through all that.

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Pretty sure Hank got screwed over because of Pioli.

In case you haven't noticed we play to half empty stadiums...fans are flying banners in disgust...and that does not count the fans who are apathetic who dont GAF anymore...

But no the organization is just one call away from being good to go I am sure of it.

Sucks to have an absentee owner.

Well at least I have the option to watch Greenbay without Sunday ticket.

So we sat through 20 years of Carl Peterson only to throw in the towel after 3+ years of his replacement?

Don't be a pussy.

I,too, checked the date of the post. Thought you were joking. Only thing I remember from the Super Bowl is my Father telling me tales of the water pressure in KC dropping at half time.

FFS, Clark did exactly what we/everyone with SB (yeah I said it) aspirations wanted him to do.

He could have stayed the status quo, kept churning out 7-9 win seasons with an occasional 10 win season thrown in there and kept printing money like it was nothing.

But no, he changed the whole damn environment at Arrowhead. Swept the mediocrity out the door and tried a different route.

Now, obviously we know now that this route wasn't the right one, which likely will be changed AGAIN in a month.

So Clark will have changed 2 in 6 years or so. Thats right change again. It's broke, he's gonna fix it, or atleast try.

Why are some so afraid of change?

Boy, that would ****ing seal the deal. All my Chiefs stuff is already in a box in the basement. That would guarantee it stays there.

I've threatened to dump Sunday Ticket for years - seems like a no brainer now. They need to fix, and I mean really ****ing fix, serious problems from top to bottom. No more Pioli, no more Crennel, no more Daboll, no more Cassel, no more being millions and millions under the cap while the few good players we have sign elsewhere.

These things will happen or I'll be elsewhere. Enough of this shit.

fantasy football and sports bets have kept me interested

but I miss having passion for Chiefs football

never thought that could be sucked out of me like the Pioli/Cassel Chiefs did

Sunday ticket is worth dumping because the rest of the NFL is sorta boring these days.

The worst part of modern sports.

Guys, it starts and ends with Pioli.

Hire the HC, let him choose his staff & let him assemble the rest of the coaches, scouts, etc. and get out and just run the front office. Let the coaches coach leaving them responsible of their own outcome. Coaches that has control of their own knows the buck starts and stops with them, it's their watch, they will perform better and keep the assistants accountable.

Years ago, Lamar hired Hank and told him to have at it. Hank was never interfered with in his early years,but once he didn't draft well and he relied on older players, he got the axe.

Carl let Marty run his own staff, Marty did well for years, the team went old on talent, many with a shady past, losing came and Marty left. Carl let DV run his own ship,DV burned out first and gave up. I wanted to see DV sat one more year but it didn't happen. Sure we never tasted the glory of a SB with either, but it was much better than this crap. Herm was a good talent evaluator and a good coach,but HC was a reach when he didn't assemble a great staff around him. Gunther was a reach for all practical purposes. But Carl still didn't tell them who to hire and moved away from them when they failed. Pioli can not do this, he had to have control of Haley, had to be able to control Romeo, crap Romeo rolled the dice one last time and we all know he is in over his head.

Get better management and a good QBotF with a very good QB coach, coaches & coordinators and we can build it back pretty quick. But it starts at the top!

Hell, i'm embarrassed that it took us this long to raise up and do something like this.


But I guess in the 90's and early 2000's we were just good enough to keep fans vested right?

No. You have legitimate reason to be fearful. With an incompetent ownership the possibly of the Chiefs undergoing another dry spell is pretty good.

It's amazing how some people think that drafting a quarterback is suddenly going to be the answer to resolving the Chiefs problems. It's way more than just a quarterback. The Chiefs have a systemic problem and it begins and ends with ownership. I attribute that statement to Hamas' Jenkins who mentioned that very same thing a while back and I couldn't agree with him more because he ****ing nailed it. Nothing could be further from that truth.

Yes, there is reason to be optimistic with high draft picks in the future, but this optimism does not outweigh nor overpower the consequences that Chiefs ownership brings to the table. I think every Chiefs fan should keep that notion in mind.

Your first and last sentences don't mesh.

Incompetent ownership?


You guys have completely lost it.


What exactly would you all have Clark do or would you have had him done since he's been owner?

says you and no one else

Did you make that bet against KC vs CAR that we told you not to make?

As for the question, I am trying to look at the optimistic side of this. Recent teams have shown what a reset at the GM/HC/QB positions can do. Maybe it happens here, maybe it doesn't. If I believed it would take 8 years I certainly wouldn't be so passionate about this next set of moves by the organization.

Zach, you do realize that at the time, Pioli was the most sought after GM candidate in the league and Clark made him the highest paid GM?

Do you understand that?

Pioli was obviously the wrong GM choice, which some on CP even mentioned at the hiring, but he was the supposed "Golden Child" GM candidate at the time.

:spock:

Piss off, Denise.

Why would someone have a reason to criticize the ownership of the Kansas City Chiefs?

I can't think of a single reason.

That wasn't water.

And a mistake that A LOT of owners would have made. Pioli was thought of in high regard around the league. Clark ponied up and got the "A list" guy. I don't understand why we have to keep pointing this out. I realize the fanbase is jaded and cynical (and who can blame them) but, for crying out loud this is getting old.

Clark gets a bad rap that he has not yet earned. People had been crying for change. He gave them what they wanted, and is going to do so again. Chill out everyone.

All of this, theres always hope.

A GM with the right plan and a legit QB... and it could be like this never happened, very quickly.

LMAO

Zach says the NFL is sorta boring as ratings continue to soar and the league is literally the biggest thing in the country, by a wide margin.

think he's trying to go against the grain or what?

Answer my question?

What should he have done?


You want him to be like Jerry Jones? Thats not Clark, thats not the way he's going to operate.

Could he be more involved? Yeah probably.


But he's not an owner that's going to run the show. Thats just not him.

This would be a good post if my main point was "owning and making decisions as an NFL owner is easy"

You are in that position because you are supposed to do your due diligence to make great decisions for you fan base, your family, and your bottom line.

Complete failure. But I am not convinced he understands how to run an organization that is successful.

We will see right? Or will we.

Winning "isn't him" ether is it.

Hell even as bad as this team has been during Pioli's reign, we still made the playoffs a couple seasons ago. Just need a QB. It's a great place to start.

Are you in the least familiar with the '99 Rams?

It will get worse before it gets better. The answer is always the same. Change the GM, Head Coach, hire new coordinators. I've seen this movie before, and it usually ends up the same.

KC has to find a way to get consisntency out of its players, coaches and FO. The Eagles will collapse when they lose Reid IMO. The teams that win consistently are those that stay the course, stick with the plan, and see it out. This change every 3-4 years BS will never work.
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You said yourself fantasy and betting is the only thing keeping you watching. Did it used to be like that? I used to be glued to any NFL game on TV...then only the AFC...then only the AFC West...now? I might watch the Chiefs.

What is the reason for your change? The reason for mine?

The league is popular but its not as exciting from my perspective. The offenses and defenses all copy cat the latest successful team and they all look like eachother. We all know what a joke the NFL made defense.

Just answer the ****ing question and quit dancing around it with stupid bullshit quips.


What should he have done different?


Not hired the most sought after GM in the league at the time? Not hired one of the best business directors to run the business side?


What?

I think you should stick to Soccer and what ever else you do.

I think pretty much all of ChiefsNation will revolt if we get # 1 and they pass on Geno.

Seriously, this QB class is weak with no clear cut #1 head and shoulders above the others, but at least there is one that is a shoulder and a neck while the other has a shoulder over the others. All of the others are at mid waist and some are at best , pantywaist.

4 more years! (2 more wins!)

I am not trying to say I should be the owner or GM of the Chiefs.

But hey I am happy that you seem to be happy with all of this.

Exactly dumbass, you change until you get it right.

When will that be.

Not scared at all. I emotionally detached myself from this franchise quite some time ago.

:facepalm:

The common denominator here is Pioli, not Clark Hunt. The Gunther down years were a Peterson mistake, but Peterson is the guy who made 90s Arrowhead what it was and through most of his tenure the Chiefs were competitive. The down years at the tail end of Carl's time here under Herm are attributable to Vermeil and Peterson mortgaging the future for a last run at the SB (which is what a lot of people around here had been calling for for years at that point).

As for Clark, how can anyone blame him for hiring Pioli. Nearly everyone thought that was a homerun hire. It just hasn't panned out. Can Pioli and there won't be any reason to be so pessimistic.

It is funny you mention that. I have worked with the local football and soccer franchises in a professional manner. The difference between the two and the culture they have is incredible. Night and day.

Some pro sports teams in this town work tirelessly to win.

Sooo... stick with Pioli then?

/facepalm

Because he will nail the next hire.


...we hope.

Stick with soccer, Zack.

Be a **** somewhere else.

Nah.

If he doesn't get the next hire right, then all indications are that you're right.

It's jumping to that conclusion NOW that is the problem.

Be patient.

Que?

Oh, if everybody could just be like Sporting!

:rolleyes:

Why not? I guess I didn't make it clear it starts and ends with Pioli, at the top of management , as in GM. Pioli is accountable for what he hired. He has to live with it or face the public outcry for it. Pioli wanted to be in control and hired a puppet man to run the team.
If he truly thinks Romeo is the answer, he has to convince Clark to stay the course and see it through. If not he has to tell Clark he will make changes and convince the fans & Clark that he can get it done.

IMHO, I don't think Clark will hear it. Clark wants results and ticket sales.

It would be something that Chiefs fans deserve. That is for sure. Every thing that the Chiefs have not been.

Then root for Sporting and forget about the Chiefs. It's pretty simple really.

No I think I will continue to bitch about the team I grew up loving playing the sport I love. If you can't deal with that put me on ignore and take me off ignore when the Chiefs win a playoff game in 2035

This for sure.

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You're such a ****ing baby.

Even bad football is more interesting than good soccer.

Damn straight I'm worried. Outside of the initial move to hire Pioli (which Hunt still mismanaged with the whole evaluate Herm / Gailey thing) when has the team done the correct thing at an opportunity?

Truth.

Colts won 1 game last year and are now 9-4.

Theres just no reason anymore for a team to languish for years. If a team does, it means the owner just isnt trying hard enough.

:LOL:

Meanwhile Kansas City soccer fans are enjoying trophies, winning, exciting games, and laughing at the poor football fans in town that are so disconnected with their absentee owner that they have to pay for banners to get his attention. I think the word I am looking for is "pity".

We should make this a soccer thread.

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You're so much more cultured and enlightened than the Neanderthal football fans.

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Not a single **** was given

Your ****ing soapbox, get off it, zach.

Isnt it about time?

You're taking that the wrong way. All I am saying is that soccer fans that don't share my history with the Chiefs are having a daily laugh at the sad situation this organization has puts its fans in.

I'm starting to root for the Redskins, but that's just because I like RG3. It's almost like I have a 2nd team now, I guess the chiefs are losing my interest with their bullshit. The owner don't care, why should I?

But I'm sure that Geno Smith would bring that excitement and passion back.

Look at this.

A Kansas City team holding up a championship trophy with Lamar Hunt's name on it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ct1V1NP3Df...X.SlMa.81.jpeg

I'm good thanks.

All teams in the NFL are trying to win, but obviously it is a zero sum game. To win you need a better than average GM, a better than average coach, and a better than average QB. Clark will TRY to make a good hire, but ultimately it is probably luck, given that he really doesn't know what he is doing.

The team sucks because they are scared pussies who suck at doing their job in April.

No GM wants to draft a 1st round QB. That's a HUGE reason why we've sucked.
Our DL draft picks have been the worst in league history. Sims, Siavii, Turk, Tank, Dorsey, Jackson. And we let the one diamond go to Minnesota.

If this team gets a franchise QB and gets some good DL who put pressure on the QB, we can beat anyone. Unfortunately, those are the 2 areas that we suck at the most on draft day.