Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin.

Haley was tanking that Jets game.

Does this really need to be rehashed?

This was on a few key third downs last year vs the Jets.

Look at that personnel grouping.

TANK 4 FIRE MY ASS

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not playing Baldwin was not puzzling in the least; the guy still can't do more than run fly routes.

What percentage of pass plays were Bowe and Breaston on the bench for??

Maybe Haley was waiting for the next week when Kyle Orton was gonna start, getting the scrubs some playing time in a blowout instead of letting T. Palko lead his best WRs into triple coverage with high throws that would get them hurt while his team was still in the thick of a division race??

Hell, shit like that gets receivers ribs broke and whatnot.

7-0. It wasn't a blowout.

Haley was tanking that game.

I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.

So now, we get Copper, Jamar Newsome, and Dexter Mc****ster??

So much improvement there.

:doh!:

Holy shit...logic comes crashing in.

Having Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko start the season as your #1 and #2 QBs while your boss taps your phone and obsesses over candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning mediocre TEs and SSs will probably make you, me, or anyone exhausted...and go total ****ing bonkers.

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The difference is Bowe wasn't hurt at that time.

Playing worthless shitbags isn't being creative.

It was deliberate middle fingers to Pioli.

That is a slam dunk firing offense right there.

It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, ****.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, **** it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the **** can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.

"Get Bowe and Breaston a breather"? In a 7-0 game when he's supposedly fighting for his job. Holy shit. :doh!:

Haley did not get saddled with Muir. No way.

In the Haley v. Pioli fight, I will side with Haley 9 times out of 10.

But this one is just flat wrong. He WAS tanking the Jets game, it was obvious.

And he had no other QB but Palko (Orton was hurt), who had quite possibly developed some sort of chemistry with the 2nd squad.

They could have just been looking for something - ANYTHING - to get something going offensively.

Holy shit...logic comes crashing in.

Yay!

Having Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko start the season as your #1 and #2 QBs while your boss taps your phone and obsesses over candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning mediocre TEs and SSs will probably make you, me, or anyone exhausted...and go total ****ing bonkers.

:thumb:

I think Haley wanted to be his own OC again. And he was probably justified in feeling that way - but his downfall was that he was always pissed at Cassel. You could tell in '11...he hated having Cassel under center...but he hated Palko even more.

I don't know if Haley was 'tanking' the game so much as using the opportunity to put the full spectrum of Pioli's deep and talented roster on display.

It was his biggest '**** you' to Pioli...

**** you, Pioli

By all means, get your best players off the field! We're trying to WIN here!

JFC.

:facepalm:

True.

Absolutely unequivocally untrue.

Haley LOVED Palko. People who were in the locker room after the Bears game got to see it first hand - Haley was on a personal mission to see Palko succeed. In many ways, it looks like he was living vicariously through a kid that grew up in many of the same circles Haley did.

None of these best players you speak of have translated to wins this year.

Haley can win more games with Cassel and Palko at Qb, Jackie Battle at RB and Urban, Horne, and Copper at WR than RAC can with Bowe & Breaston at WR, Charles at RB, the return of Moeaki, Berry, Cassel...

Fact. Haley won more games without Jamal Charles than RAC has won WITH him.

that's a hell of a recommendation.

If Orton hadn't have been hurt, Orton starts that NY game.The Pittsburg game sealed Palko's fate - Palko's big thing with Haley was that, in Chicago at least, he didn't give up that deflating crushing mistake that turns the tide of a game...

the kind of crushig turnovers that Matt Cassel specializes in.

Haley make have been ecstatic to win in Soldier Field - given the circumstances, that win alone should have garnered some kind of recognition - but in no way can I believe Haley was 'ecstatic' to have Palko.

Well...he wasn't Matt Cassel, so he DID have that going for him...

When you look at it from a cognitive standpoint, it actually says quite a lot.

All it says is "better than Romeo".

He celebrated at Palko's locker after the game, yelling things like "I knew we could do it" and "we proved them wrong".

He LOVED Tyler Palko. Like a son. LOVED him.

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Which is the point you were trying to argue.

So...I'm pissed that Haley get fired and replaced with someone who is clearly (and admittedly by you) worse than him - even though the inferior coach had 3-4 MORE years head coaching experience and close to 40 years of NFL coaching experience on the coach who you yourself admitted is the better of the two??

Geez...ya think maybe Haley would have grown into the job, had he received even a modicum of support from his GM??

I'm sure of it.

No, that was not the point I was trying to argue. Haley deserved to be fired. That was the point I was arguing. Whatever happened after that has no bearing whatever on my argument. **** that guy.

Um...for the Haley firing to be in any way be justifiable, there would have to have been some sort of upgrade at the position.

There has been no noticeable upgrade in any capacity for the Kansas City Chiefs since Haley's firing.

In fact :

we have a 1-win season at home
we went 8 straight games without ever having a lead
we had a player murder his girlfriend then shoot himself in front of the HC and GM on team grounds...

yeah, I think it's a safe assumption to say things have progressively gotten worse since he left.

A logical hole you can drive a truck through. ****ing up the next hire doesn't mean firing this douchebag was a mistake. It means hiring Crennel was another bigger, but separate mistake.

Well, that could be one inference; the second (and most logical, to me) is that instead of firing the guy who held the players accountable...maybe fire the guy who gave $63M to a barely servicable backup QB and spends all his time ****ing with candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning those mediocre TEs and SSs he loves so much??

I would've fired Pioli and found a GM who would work with my coach and just get him a decent ****ing QB...

This isn't hindsight, either - I called the Haley firing a mistake the day it happened.

Well, it wasn't a mistake. He earned it. Hiring a new GM would have gotten him fired a little later is all.

that's purely conjecture; I think that if Haley would have had a QB who produced in a somewhat consistant manner, his bizarre antics would have curbed and there would have been a possibility of continuity and the prospect of success.

****ing Christ.....are you Mrs. Haley?

This is also conjecture.

His bizarre antics DID happen and regardless of why he did it (I blame it 100% on Pioli) his choice to respond the way he did is his fault.

He deserved to be fired. End of story.

Calls out conjecture - Engages in conjecture

Are we still really debating whether or not Haley should have been fired?

Wut?

There has been a Clark sighting too!!!

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All I care about is... if Pioli listened and did the common sense thing and brought in not just an average QB, but a good QB, would the Chiefs have been competitive? If Pioli even TRIED to spend a little money to improve the team.

Haley was asked to win without a QB. And with a GM unwilling to spend money. And with ZERO autonomy to build his own system. Instead, he was forced into running a 2-gap system I don't think haley wanted.

So yeah... I never said Haley was a good coach. But given the shitty situation he was given, he did okay.

I like Haley and hope he does well, but he deserved to be fired. The only mistake was not sending Pioli with him.

given the situation...

the proof is in the pudding : every single player on this roster played better football when Haley was the coach.

I don't understand how anyone could perceive it any differently, unless it's just gainsaying.

Better than "bad" does not equal "good".

Nobody sees it differently, they were "better" under Haley.

But they weren't "good".

Furthermore, Haley's crazy behavior WARRANTED firing him.