Same with Brady. Brees contract will do the same to the Saints.

I have to believe Polian would actually be grooming his son to take over the job. No thanks to the real GM being his son.

crazy to think that there is one more step backwards/lower than Pioli and that step is the bumbling idiot of Chris Polian.

hard to think things could get worse, but he is certainly the reason they would lol

So a guy has had a lot of success with three different franchises and you question whether or not you want him? Please tell me this is a joke?

Would you prefer a guy who sucks at three different franchises like Brian Daboll? :hmmm:

I would take him in a NY minute or Marc Ross from the Giants

Are you really getting him, or are you getting his kid with training wheels?

Perfect.

This is really THE argument.

He drafted Kerry Collins in Carolina, who had 40K passing yards, a Super Bowl appearance, and was BY FAR the best QB in that draft class not named Steve McNair. In fact, if you look at the 1995 1st round, Collins really was a great pick regardless of position.

He decided to take Manning over Leaf (and despite the revisionist history, there really WAS a tough decision that had to be made).

In the end though, his tenure in Indianapolis became about setting Chris up. One has to wonder if Polian has any competitive fire left or if his concern is solely about his legacy.

I'm not really fond of the idea myself.

seriously, the owner of the Colts had to take his team back because ole Bill took a backset and let his kid become more hands on, and that was a ****ing disaster and cluster ****.

the fact that he could rope another franchise gullable enough to let him do it again is no different than teams giving all these Pats Tree idiots 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances to coach

Would it change your mind if he brought Dungy back?

Anyone hear the interview on 610 this morning with the sports talk dude from Indy? Said that Isray "allegedly" had some legal troubles and the NFL forced him to hire someone to take complete control of the team for a set period of time. That is why Polian was hired. Once that time frame was up, he fired Polian because he was such an ass and all of the employees were miserable.

Sounds a lot like Peeholi.

I heard it. Kind of a mixed interview, the guy crushes Polian then says he'd be a good hire for KC and would take them to the playoffs on a consistent basis.

Things from the interview that seemed like red flags:

- Chris went from GM in waiting in Indy to road scout for ATL
- Polian's team construction philosophy was to spend the bulk of the cap on a select few and then surround them with late rounders on the cheap that no one else in the league would pick up after they were eventually cut.
- Nobody in the organization liked working for the guy.

all this hand wringing over people not liking their boss... who gives a shit. Win.

i don't see how clark can go from one gigantic asshole to another...the culture at arrowhead is broken, as is the relationship with its fans..

polian not only doesn't fix those, he likely makes them worse

NO.

Dungy - Manning = Herm.

No ****ing way.

Yep.

the only rhetorical "culture" we should worry about is the "culture of losing." Winning cures all ills.

That's a bit of an overreaction. He did a good job in Tampa with crap at the quarterback position.

After everything we've been through the last 20 years, it's absolutely warranted.

I do take all of this, "I hate working for Pioli, Polian they are assholes" with a grain of salt.
I would imagine that if you polled people about whether or not they like thier boss the numbers would show that a large majority of people don't like thier boss.
Don't misunderstand I do think that these guys are probably a little over the top at times.

It depends on one thing, winning. If we win it is the cure all. If we don't win it won't matter who the GM is or is not.

Just playing around here.

Dungy + Geno Smith =??????

He had an epic amount of defensive talent to rely on.

Dungy ****ing sucks.

One thing I've realized while going thru who all has a chance to be here, is that every single guy has had a flaw or has a negative thing I don't like.


So whoever we get at both spots will have some flaws.

That is just a ****ing stupid thing to say.

Eh. I like Dungy but it would take a full 2-4 years of drafting to get a top tier tampa 2 IMO.

I don't want Dungy, nor do I think he wants to come out of retirement. I think Dungy is very much like Marty.
I think the Tampa 2 is a thing of the past as well. Don't want that type of defensive system.

Tony Dungy is overrated.

Both Chief Roundup and htismage are correct IMO.

Talent that he drafted and developed. We can't blame him for getting good players and getting great production out of them.

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Rich McKay drafted that talent from 1993 to 2003. During that time, Dungy and his staff failed to develop a QB, whether it was Trent Dilfer, Shaun King, etc. and so on.

Also, it's not difficult to "develop" guys like Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, John Lynch, Warren Sapp, Warrick Dunn and Mike Alstott, so don't pretend there was some big learning curve that only Dungy could help them master.

This.

Jon Gruden instantly came there and convincingly won a Super Bowl against the team he ****ing built.

that.

and he needs to eat a sammich.

Could it be...follow me here... That Dungy had a hand in developing these players? That perhaps, they didn't come in to the league fully realized NFL stars?

It's curious that there is a circle jerk for Cowher, who was on the same staff as Dungy with the chiefs, but less of a groundswell of support.

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The ****? There are people who don't believe he's dumb as ****?

Sorry, I don't speak emoticon...you don't think Dungy had anything to do with the development of the defensive players of the bucs?

No, you ****ing idiot.

If so, where was the "development" in Indy? Where was the ****ing badass defense?

You're ****ing stupid. You've always been ****ing stupid and apparently, you will always be ****ing stupid.

Moron.

Racism rules!

Dungy had how long with possibly the greatest QB of all time and won 1 SB?

Okay, kiddo. Use your words, like a big boy. Claiming that Dungy had no hand in developing players over his years with two championship (or contending) franchises is myopic... or worse, just plain ignorant. McKay was the brains behind the operation? Fine.. he was a good GM... but he was ousted in ATL after building a team built around Vick... with not much else around him.

Why is Cowher power a better coach than Tony Dungy?

He's not.

They're basically the same dude.

Years, like Don Shula...or like Don Coryell, Dan Reeves... come on. The hate is a little stupid.

Thank you. That is all I was saying...

Go **** yourself.

You're not even worth debating.

Its amazing you're actually more articulate with emoticons...

How does Tony Dungy suck? 1 losing season in 13.

Haven't you heard? Every coach who has won a Super Bowl sucks because over an extremely small sample size no coach has ever won it all with two different teams. /sarcasm

I like this idea but right now there are few out there without big question marks...

:LOL:

Now that was funny!

I don't want Cowher either. Overrated.

I NEVER said Tony Dungy SUCKS.

I said he's OVERRATED.

And it doesn't have anything to do with him winning a Super Bowl (although that's a COMPLETELY VALID AND RELEVANT STATISTIC).

It's that he's basically a clone of Marty ****ing Schottenheimer.

Been there, done that. Don't want to do it again. No ****ing thanks.

Yes, because Schottenheimer was such a horrible coach. :spock:

I don't want a clone of Schottenheimer either. I want the real thing.

I didn't say he's a horrible coach.

We did a DECADE of Schottenheimer and have SHIT to show for it.

That ship sailed 15 years ago. Hopefully Tony Dungy was on it.

With Denny Green and Norv pulling up anchor...

Completely valid like the pre-2008 statistic that indicated that no black man could ever be elected President because it had never happened? We have an extremely small sample size of SB Champion coaches moving on to different teams and it's hard for any coach to win a SB in the first place.

There are only 18 SB Champion coaches in the first place (out of hundreds of coaches who have tried) and only 9 of those moved on to coach a second team.

Only SOFTER...

And even then, Hillary was the front runner all the way until almost the end.

Believing that it CAN happen and believing that it WILL happen are two different things.

Possibility <> probability

I'm not interested in completely ignoring history.

Dungy who's won playoff games and a superbowl is Marty and Cowher who's 59 games over .500 in his head coaching career is overrated?


..... wow

I don't get that either. He turned around 1 inept team and with the help of Peyton made the Colts SB contenders every year. Yeah he is conservative as **** and the Tampa 2 D is dead but he is still a very good coach.

Seriously. I would take either of those guys in a landslide over Norv, and if I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be celebrating if they replaced Crennell with Dungy or Cowher.

Dungy won a Super Bowl because of Peyton Manning.

Cowher won a Super Bowl because of Ben Roethlisberger.

Marty won a Super Bowl...oh wait, nevermind.

DO WE WANT TO WIN REGULAR SEASON GAMES OR DO WE WANT TO WIN A GODDAMN ****ING SUPER BOWL?!?!?!?!?!

Eh... Dungy? Eew. Cowher though, yeah.

ROFL

That's like a living contradiction.

Shannahan won super bowls because of elway, coughlin because of manning, belicheck Brady. You can make that argument with any coach. BTW big Ben was shit in that super bowl game so to say they won it all because of him isn't exactly correct.

Yes I want to win a super bowl but you have to have a guy who can get you there. Cowher can.

As a horrible 2nd year player.

That's bush league...

Dungy can't. And that was the original point.

He doesn't win a Super Bowl without Big Ben.

But as Billay said, at least Cowher could GET THERE. Dungy couldn't even do that.

Cowher went to 4 AFCC games.

He more than got there.

Cowher/Pitt became a lesser version of the Bills...

John Fox is a good coach. Dick Vermeil is a good coach. Dan Reeves is a good coach.

As much as it pains me to say it, Bill Cowher is a good coach.

All of those guys built teams that could make it all the way to the Super Bowl without a franchise QB. Once they found their franchise QB, they won it all.

Tony Dungy is not one of them and doesn't belong in that discussion.

Ehh that im not sure of. I know he could get more out of the players than Romeo (that's not saying much). One of these Qb's pans out sure why cant this team contend for a title?

With that said I'm not really interested in watching the Tampa 2 or the 4-3 defense ever again.

The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.

Dungy is a smart coach I would think he would come up with something different on D

We'll get to see how much of that was Dungy and how much of that was Manning. Remember the huge knock on Manning was he could never win the big game.

If Marty had either of those guys he'd have won multiple Super Bowls.

Except for one solid season from Joe Montana where they went to the AFC championship game, Marty has never had quarterbacks like Roethlisberger and Manning. Instead, Marty had guys like Kosar and DeBerg and Bono and Grbac and Phyllis Rivers.

I'm not real interested in hiring a guy, hoping that he "changes" from what he used to do. You bring a guy in because you like what he does and you want him to do that here.

The first is how you end up with Romeo or some bullshit. In my experience, guys in those positions don't tend to change.

food for thought:

“@CoachCox8100: @TonyDungy who should chiefs take with first or 2nd pick in the draft?” I would take Georgia QB Aaron Murray if he comes out

You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.

Norv has never won a Super Bowl so he still has potential. Dungy and Cowher became all used up the minute they left their Super Bowl teams (although if they'd have hung on with those teams they would have continued to have potential and may well have eventually repeated because we have examples of coaches who win more than once with the same team).

Other coaches with more potential than Dungy or Cowher include Todd Haley, Herm Edwards, and Gunther Cunningham who are all still Super Bowl virgins.

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