That's actually pretty damn good.

He's got one or two drafts where he's hitting on 30-40% of his picks. A couple drafts like 2010 only gave him two good players, but damn those are two ****ing amazing players.

If the Chiefs could draft as well as this lineup after we take Geno Smith, we won't need more than 2 seasons to take over the AFC West. With a little bit of luck involved in the coaching hire, and if Geno Smith is as good as I think he can be, we'll be contending for the Super Bowl shortly after.

Those Mark Ross drafts in Kansas City is what we need.

No, I don't think that's a coincidence.

But I also know that Harrison had a solid rookie season without Manning.

Eddie Kennison also had a good rookie season.

The difference in their careers is the QB, but Manning is not solely responsible for Harrison.

He was a good receiver that just benefitted from better QB play in his second season on, while Kennison had crap at QB throughout most of his career.

Remember when Kuharich was doing a good job? We only have Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, and a few leftovers from 2008 still on the team. Three years of drafts, with two of those years only generating one ultra-stud pick each is all it took to lay a good foundation.

We need more and better players, but if we draft like Kuharich did in those three seasons, the Chiefs are looking VERY good.

I'm just saying.

I think Peyton Manning would have had equal success anywhere he went...whether it was Indy, KC, Cleveland, New England, etc...

would Tom Brady have? I don't know, but I've always maintained he tripped into the perfect storm and through early success and with his moxie and swagger he developed into what he is today.

I've said it before. Schefter does not acknowledge the Chiefs' existence. Doesn't he have a Denver bias, too?

Yes and yes...

The Chiefs don't have fifty thousand fans.

I don't need to post entire drafts. Good teams hit on elite players.

I'd trade every pick Pioli has made for someone like Watt, Von Miller, JPP, Aldon Smith, AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc.

Hell, look at the Packers. Have they missed on a WR pick? None of their young guys are R1 picks.

No one is saying you have to hit on every pick. But you better hit on some, and you better be picking some gamechangers along the way as well.

I wonder whose dick he had to suck to get that job. It wasn't like he was the most amazing sports journalism prodigy every when he was with the Denver Post. If I remember correctly, Donk fans thought of him as we do Adam Teicher.

I don't know man.
It is a little early to say much about the 2012 draft but Wilson has had a very mediocre season when Bradshaw and co. missed a lot of time.
Amukamara can't seem to stay healthy. The rest of 2011 is not impressive.
Pierre-Paul is good and Joseph has been ok but he has stomped a player for retaliating because Joseph was trying to pull him off the pile. The rest of 2010 is meh.
Hakeem Nicks is ok but is inconsistent at best and is dinged up easily. The rest of 2009 is pretty meh.
Kenny Philips and Terrell Thomas are ok but not great shut down anything.
There is a lot of mediocrity through all of those drafts.

It's not that Polian is shitty. I think he's pretty decent. It's that he's 69 and is going to try and package a GM deal to get his boy in here as well. I'm sick and tired of the nepotism thing. You are going to get Polian in here for a year, maybe two and he then hands it over to his kid. Screw that.

It's why Kyle "the Mouse" Shannahan can suck a bag of dicks as a potential head coach.

Lulz

:D

one thing's for sure if polian were to take over in KC -- he's going to draft a QB

Now we're just getting picky on a few of these players. The Giants have been re-stocking on fresh new talent every season seemingly. Draft or free agency.

Pioli has done neither, and doesn't respect the QB position. He's also a psychotic sociopathic dumbass.

If we hired Ross, got a halfway decent coach, and drafted Geno, this team would be going places. That's all it takes.

Based off the Chiefs record alone, Pioli should be listed

If the Chiefs hire Ross, he's going to bring in another HC from the Parcells coaching tree.

:grovel:

There's mediocrity in most teams drafts.

The thing I like about him is he's not afraid to pull the trigger on a huge ceiling prospect like JPP and that he's managed to pull in some guys who have contributed - substantially more than what we've seen here under Pioli.

Add to it that the guy is smart (two Ivy league degrees), isn't a son of some guy from the '70's NFL and has intermed/done his time under solid, successful team oriented atmospheres.

Also, he was the Eagles Director of College Scouting back in 2000 at only 27 years old (youngest director of college scouting in the NFL) until 2004.

In between his Eagles and Giants gigs, he was national college scout for the Bills.

He played the game in college, where he still owns numerous receiving records at Princeton. (Offensive minded guy is a plus in my book in this day and age.)

The guy has drive and vision and experience. And he's only 39.

I think he's a pretty solid GM canidate all the way around.

And having the first pick in the draft is a nice little carrot to dangle in front of a prospective GM, especially when it's a QB like Geno Smith who has a ton of potential to be a high level NFL signal caller for a long time.

Yippee!

I doubt it.

He's been with the Giants since 2004. It's not like he's married to the ****ing guys daughter or something.

There's also the fact that once Clark Hunt hires the GM he completely turns over the football operations.

There really isn't a better situation for a GM in the league.

OHEMGEE

We are about to witness the return of Carl Peterson.

dundundun

If Pioli is still here next year, I'm finding another team.

Tom Coughlin & staff are all Parcells tree. It's NYG football. That is what Ross knows.

He won't be.

Ross wasn't raised from a pup in the Giants organization though, which you'd know if you had read the thread.

????


Ross is likely to hire Mike Sullivan as the HC of the Panthers.

If Pioli is here, I won't find another team...I'll just stop watching every single game and pay more attention to my fantasy teams and have more fun on Sunday rather than yelling at the TV for the first 8 weeks (before I inevitably give up and start laughing instead)

AJ Smith had one good draft, let it all go to his head, and became Scott Pioli 2.0. He's a complete asshole who pisses off agents, lets talented players go, cheaps out in free agency, screws up the draft, hires yes-men as coaches, and refuses to invest in the trenches.

Sure, he "wheels and deals" in the draft, but it never really helped the Chargers. Eli is better than Rivers and Mathews has been a massive bust.

Terrible general manager, definitely shouldn't be hired by any team that's serious about winning.

That.

Pat Shurmur, Tom Heckert expected to be gone by Monday after Cleveland Browns take on Pittsburgh Steelers
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Pat Shurmur will be coaching his last game for the Cleveland Browns on Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers, sources have told The Plain Dealer. (Photo by John Kuntz, The Plain Dealer)
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on December 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM, updated December 29, 2012 at 8:05 PM
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PITTSBURGH, Pa. - It's become a Browns tradition over the past several years: Close out the season against the Steelers and then watch heads roll within 24 hours after the game.

Coach Pat Shurmur and general manager Tom Heckert are expected to either be fired or part ways with new owner Jimmy Haslam and new CEO Joe Banner by Monday, league sources told The Plain Dealer.

It's reminiscent of 2008, when former Browns coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Phil Savage lost their jobs following a 31-0 loss in Pittsburgh. Former Browns coach Eric Mangini suffered the same fate after losing 41-9 to the Steelers in 2010.

When Haslam agreed to buy the team in August and Banner took over in October, it was almost a foregone conclusion that the two would want to hit the ground running with their own people. Banner made it clear in an interview with The Plain Dealer in November that he had excellent candidates in mind at all positions to take the Browns to a championship level.

He also stressed that he wouldn't be one to stock the Browns with people he's worked with before, and that he'd rely on all the relationships he'd developed over the years.

Heading into today's game, Heckert and Shurmur both knew they'd be gone afterward even though they hadn't been informed yet, sources said.

"Listen, I get this, and my concerns are for my team and making sure that we do all the right things during the game to give our guys the best chance to win,'' said Shurmur, who heads in with a 9-22 record. "That’s where I’m at. We have not won enough football games, and I know that’s the way this things works, but in our situation I see improvement and I’ll leave it at that.''

In a conference call earlier this month, Banner vowed to make his decisions swiftly after the season. Shurmur and Heckert will either be informed after the game, or sometime Monday morning. That way, Shurmur won't be put in the awkward position of conducting the customary exit interviews with his players.

“I know what I want to do with the players on Monday from a scheduling standpoint, but nothing has been set as far as any official communication (with the higher-ups) or whatnot,'' Shurmur said Thursday. "Again, my thoughts right now are getting our team to Pittsburgh, playing the game and then getting our team back. Those are the thoughts that I have right now.”

Shurmur stressed the great job his staff did in developing all the young players on the roster -- 26 with less than two years' experience.

"We came into a less than ideal situation when we got here,'' said Shurmur. "I’m proud of the work that the guys that I hired did in terms of inspiring the players to improve. It’s a little different thought process when you’re working with so many young ones. There are certain things you’ve got to keep hammering home that when you’ve got a veteran crew, you know you talk about other things.''

With the ax falling on Monday, the Browns will quickly begin interviewing candidates for both their head coach and GM vacancies, and might have to compete with more than a dozen teams for the hottest candidates. It's not yet known if any members of the coaching staff or personnel department will remain.

Some of the most coveted coaching candidates include Oregon's Chip Kelly and the following NFL offensive coordinators: the Patriots' Josh McDaniels, 49ers' Greg Roman, Colts' Bruce Arians, Denver's Mike McCoy, Falcons' Dirk Koetter, Bengals' Jay Gruden, Redskins' Kyle Shanahan and Seattle's Darrell Bevell. On the defensive side, two anticipated popular coordinator candidates are former Browns assistant and Cleveland native Mel Tucker of the Jaguars, and the Giants' Perry Fewell, who interviewed here when Shurmur was hired.

Kelly, the offensive genius with the high-powered scheme and 45-7 record in four years at Oregon, will be coveted by the Panthers and Eagles, among others.

Then there are always the big-name candidates such former Bucs and Raiders coach Jon Gruden; and former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, both of whom have some ties to Haslam. Alabama coach Nick Saban has been linked to the Browns, but sources have told The Plain Dealer that he's staying put. Arizona coach Ken Whisenhunt, a former Browns assistant, is also expected to become available.

From a GM standpoint, multiple reports say Banner will turn to former Browns personnel executive and current NFL Network analyst Mike Lombardi, who worked here with Bill Belichick, to replace Heckert. Others have said Lombardi might have an opportunity with another team.

Former Browns pro personnel assistant Scott Pioli might be let go in Kansas City along with Crennel, and would be an intriguing prospect. He interviewed here with Randy Lerner for the job that went to Mike Holmgren, and loved his Cleveland days. He's also still close to McDaniels from their Patriots years. Other sought-after GM candidates are the Falcons' David Caldwell, the Giants' Dave Gettleman, and the 49ers' Tom Gamble.

Meanwhile, the Browns players were bracing themselves for the looming changes.

"You try not to bring it up,'' said linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. "If anything, you want the day to go by a little slower. You want to enjoy these last few days if that’s the case. It hasn’t been talked about, but you can tell it’s a sense of urgency there. And our coaches do a great job of not wearing their emotions on their sleeve. If they are down, and they’ve got a million things to think about. They’ve got kids here that go to school, they have a house here. It’s a tough transition for the family, let alone themselves. So you try not to talk about it, you just try to continue the day as normal.''

Jackson said he hopes the current staff remains intact, but understands if Haslam decides to start over.

"Once you change the owner, he's been successful at what he's done in his career and he has a way of doing business and he's going to bring that mold here, and whatever it is, whether it's change, whether it's keeping the guys in the building, I'm on board for it,'' said Jackson. "My job is to lead the guys in the locker room and do the best of my ability with that. If change happens and he feels like it needs to happen, you have to be on board with it.''

There's been some speculation that defensive coordinator Dick Jauron might stay, especially if the Browns hire a young offensive coach.

"He deserves some consideration to stay in the building,'' said Jackson. "He's a great coach. He understands the game, he’s given me the keys to the defense, he trusts players that put in the time. Not to have him in the building . . . I don’t even want to think about Dick not being here. I honestly don’t.''

Unfortunately for many in the building, the time has come to start thinking about not being here.

So when do we hire Shurmur and/or Heckert?

Or do they have to go to NE first?

Basically from week 1 for me this year. I used to live and die on every play. After years of being numb its going to be weird to be nervous during games again(assuming this ever happens).

They aren't apart of the tree.

Go Skins

Nope, Because he's not going to lose his job.

Link?

Scott Pioli
Scooter Peeholi
Snott Pissoli
Soggy Pistachioravioli

You probably DO believe everything you read
... Its in the same place as all those that say he's definately gone. Its an opinion, and mine is that he is not getting fired.

So they are part of the tree?
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It's possible that Clark will not fired him, but then Clark will be the dumbest mother****er ever.

And no, **** you, I do not believe everything I read.

Clark is a very intelligent man. Pioli has been an embarrasment to the entire organization and that's not including the W-L record. I believe he wanted him to be here for a decade plus and establish some continuity, but there is no way he can keep him now.

The best analogy I was given about Clark was he's comparable to the dorky high school kid that gets to date the high school prom queen. A year into the relationship, the dork realizes he's being used, but just can't let go of the chick and still wants to make it work.

That's how Clark views Pioli. He literally thought he was unattainable and viewed him as the messiah when he was hired. Pioli has Clark fooled.

Clark cutting that cord is going to be a lot tougher process.

I keep getting told that change is coming, but until I see a report that states he's definitely out, I have my doubts strictly based on Clark's man crush.

Yeah, he is.

He was packing up shit from his office just this past week.

YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!

Actually, I heard about it before I read it. But it came from the same "sources" as what got posted here.

Wouldn't that be funny if Cleveland ended up with the Pioli/McDaniels combo...

pioli's not getting fired, i find it funny how people on this board think they're general managers or owners or even have the same amount of football knowledge as some of these executives. there's a reason why they're in the office making millions and you're sitting on this lame board with a bunch of virgins and mid life crisis alcoholic hicks.

it's a known fact we have to take geno but if we do, i know pioli could work around him. if we don't draft him then fire pioli instantly.

:spock:

Cleveland with Pioli......good grief, they might be more cursed than Kansas City.

It's always so enjoyable when a stupid mother****er posts.

The only way Pioli keeps his job is if Clarks personal relationship with Pioli clouds his judgement.

I'll bet you a hundred million dollars and my genitals he is.

Corky from Life Goes On thinks you're ****ing reeruned.

You shouldn't comment on other posters if you don't know their reputation. There we plenty of people with good sources or with a reputation for not flinging bullshit unless they absolutely know. And most of us know who they are and which information to trust.

Secondly... Piolis job shouldn't be saved before he has the chance to pass up on a qb like geno. There are a million reasons to fire him including his moronic qb choices. Unless you are satisfied with having no ability to hire a better coaching staff, continuing the ridiculous media blackout which has estranged fans from the players, and continuing his method of getting rid of peterson players like Carr, bowe, and Albert to arrogantly prove he can win with his own guys at a low cap. Unless you support a guy willing to force fit an obsolete scheme on to this team instead of adjusting the strengths of his players. Pioli needs to be fired. It's killing me that there is any chance he might save his job.

doesn't matter, we can bicker and moan and whine about pioli all we want. if he stays and takes geno, everything will be forgiven.

I'm actually jealous of Cleveland. They have an owner unbelievably motivated to win and I bet he will shell out top dollar to do it. And they've had a lot of time to scout their targets. I have a feeling Cleveland will hit bigger than people think.

yeah i'm jealous of weeden too, im jealous of they're uniforms too. You could give me all of clevelands players, I still will take charles, bowe, berry, flowers, johnson, houston, hali anyday

No, it won't.

Because Romeo is actually a bigger problem. And pioli won't be able to hire good coaches because of how man bridges he's burnt and his stubborn inability to look beyond the tree, not just because of loyalty but because he only knows how to run one style of offense or defense.

And if you keep pioli, you lose bowe. Probably Albert too.

And if you keep pioli, we stay in 2-gap, even though we are pretty much the only team left that runs it.

Cassel isn't the only problem pioli has.

Kc has better talent, but Cleveland is in a better position. The browns were a decent team this year and will only get better with a very good gm and coaching staff.

If the chiefs clean house with a new gm and coaching staff, the chiefs are on a good track. If pioli sticks around, our situation sucks.

Get the **** out of here, you mouth breathing ****stick.

nope it won't

They are lightly used but heavily abused genitals. I'm not sure what the blue balls book value is on them.

:Pimp:

lol, the reason why he's still in KC because of what? HIs terrrible drafts? 1 good player in Houston, 1 decent in Brrry, then thats it in 4 drafts. His suberb winning record against teams above 500? or was it the never held a lead in 10 games to start the season.

I fail too see why his "knowledge" of great players he's brought to the Chiefs has allowed him to keep his job!

WHat is it that anyone see's from Pioli's picks and his choices for signings had lead anyone even Clark Hunt to believe he's done a good job or even an average job! if 22 and 49 or whatever it is, is average, then we got a huge huge ****ing problem and this team needs to be sold or the fans need to keep trying to force black outs as in not going to the game, because i dont know about anyone else, im kind of embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan. The team sucks, one of the worst teams i have ever seen play in my 30 years of watching the NFL. no major free agents want anything to do with the Chiefs, because the GM is a dumb**** and Payton Manning one of the greatest players to ever play wouldnt even return his phone call.

I just dont see how any of this is positive in anyway shape or form. Im willing to listen if someone has anything positive to say outside of, he's saved Clark some millions.

ORLY

That sound like the resume of a general manager that isn't in danger of losing his position?

fire romeo, hire nick saban

I find you funny dumbass! The "owner" had the team gifted to him.. The right sperm won, that's all he did - he swam a little faster! No he doesn't know "more about football" than most people. In fact with the distractions he has he might not know as much as some avid fans.

**** off dipshit!

Bite me dumbass, nothing with Pioli is forgiven, he's a ****ing asshole!

So you then are a virgin or a hick alcoholic with a mid-life crisis?

The argument that somebody being paid means they know more is a joke. People get fired all the time, no longer getting paid, because they didn't know what they are doing. I've never been paid to fix a car engine, but if I see one being engulfed by a massive flame, I am comfortable saying the car needs a new engine. I don't give a **** if a mechanic says the engine will still work. The other irony here is that right after you say we aren't GM's you state that its a known fact that we have to take Geno. Really? So we don't know anything but yet we know we need to take Geno. Interesting.

Finally, you again contradict your statement that we don't know more than Pioli by saying that if he doesn't take the QB we want, he should be fired. Three contradictions stated with as obliviously as one possibly can do so.

If you don't want to read people who aren't real GM's talk about football, DON"T go on a message board.

So who is behind this mult?

Whoever we hire, you can bet it won't be an innovative hire. Clark will go with some retread, the lowest hanging fruit on the tree. It's just the way he is. I try to picture Clark unearthing some brilliant, hungry, up-and-comer...and I just laugh because I know it will never happen. As long as a member of the Hunt family owns this team--as fans of the Chiefs we're completely forked.

The Chiefs record under Fat Scott as GM: 23-42 (this includes a projected loss tomorrow).

Enough said.

Game over.

You lose, you epic piece of shit.

Light yourself on fire, DUMBSHIT.

Yep

Outa

Here

People are saying rude shit to Pioli's family... and kid at school. He has to WANT to gtfo, by now.

I'll never understand why people will lash out on a kid or his family.

Not their fault he's an asshole.

Butler probably did a lot of the work you are crediting to Smith, like drafting Tomlinson and Brees.

AJ was propped up by the superior personnel man he took over for, and the coach he inherited. The emperor is just being seen for as naked as he's always been.

I.....:facepalm:

In all fainess to Clark, Pioli was highly thought of and at the time was a celebrated hire who many of us thought could right the ship.