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Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268090)
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At this point, we should all hope this is true because it makes zero business sense to retain Suckass Scott. The money Hunt would make by firing him is far greater than what he'd make if Pioli returns. Ironically, Pioli and Cassel are figuratively tied to each other at the end, too; both are cheaper to cut than to keep. |
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Pioli can point fingers at others to blame, but those guys are in place because of Pioli. It might be different if Hunt had to weigh Pioli's successes versus his failures, but there really aren't enough successes to even make a debate of it. |
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Is there any way at all that we can get the scouts that Herm used, who got us guys like Jamaal Charles and Brandon Flowers in the third round?
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Flowers in the second.
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Flowers was a 2
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I wouldn't hate the hire. He's 60. I'd like someone younger. |
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I've pointed out some of Arians' red flags. So when I discredit Arians' 2012 success, it's because I don't believe 2012 showed enough for me to make those red flags go away. |
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B) I think Bruce deserves a shot as a HC after this year. Personally, I'd just like to see him on another team. If Kelly is gone, and the other candidates are about equal with Arians, I'd support the hire of a guy with a track record of developing QBs, despite there being several things I detest. Finally, I agree. I'd like to hire someone younger as well. |
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WE LOVE ARIANS
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I'm not an expert about who to bring in, but I do know one thing. We darn well need to bring in some quarterback guru who is proven at developing quarterbacks.
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There's only been one head coach who won a Super Bowl when his first head coaching gig was 50+ years old. Barry Switzer. There's a reason for that. Because when a guy under everyone's radar goes unnoticed for that long, there were probably red flags. |
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As for the wins -- they are MOTR in all three phases. They caught the Vikes during a bad stretch, had a few breaks during other games. All will come back to earth for them against Houston. Arians deserves a shot as HC somewhere. He's obviously going to get one since the HC pool has been so poor over the past 2 decades. Arians is a clever coach, not sure I'd say he's going to be a champ at HC though, but who knows. Especially with the league wide parity changes and NBA like rules etc, I guess any avg HC can go yard nowadays. |
lol @ Laz being a McCluster fan.
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I'll ****ing eat all day from the Packers Tree. |
I love this place.
CP basically goes nuts Clark hires Pioli, the majority of the FB world says, Good or Great Hire! Pioli hires Todd Haley,CP basically goes nuts, the majority of the FB world says, Good or a Great hire. Up and coming new OC, great open offensive mind with SB experience. Pioli gets Matt Cassel,many CP and Chiefs fans goes nuts about a QB that knows the Patriot Way.Many CP and Chief fans revolt, cuss, kick and scream because of Cassel's 1 year success and millions of dollars. CP and Chiefs fans goes nuts over Haley & Pioli feuds,gum & candy wrappers, wire taps, etc .... Chiefs fans embarrassed by Pioli & Todd, blames Todd. Kent Bab exposes Pioli,long after Whitlock feuds with Pioli ... CP & Chief fans wake up. Pioli is a dictator! Now in the wake of Pioli may stay as long as he hires a new HC and gets a new ( finally a 1st rd ) QB ? Chiefs fans are their own worst enemy when it comes to wanting something. It's damn easy to just accept and go with the flow and bitch along the way. |
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BTW, McCluster is on pace to produce 300 yds less than last season. |
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I have yet to see one person say that. |
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Sure Pioli was a failure, Cassel too, but so was Haley. |
I'm not too keen on Dorsey as GM, and here's why: I think he would try to trade for Flynn from the Seahawks and then draft Luke Joekel with the #1 pick.
I want a HC hired first and then a GM who will go out and get the players that the HC wants and needs for their vision to be implemented. The head coach I want is Chip Kelly. I want an aggressive, shit down your throat playing and coaching style. Chip Kelly will do that in the NFL. I can handle losing. As a Chiefs fan, I'm used to it. At least go balls to the wall instead of playing not to lose (when you are already behind). |
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Completely wrong on the last 3 points. Who cares if he was a buffoon on the sidelines? Cowher and Gruden were notorious for doing the same damn thing, an dhtose guys are considered heroes. Did he lack the people skills? Last time I checked, the players he coached got better under his watch then became complete losers when he left -- his people skills are the exact same as Tom Coughlin's. Tyler Palko was a lot more Pioli than it was Haley. Pioli and Cassel didn't fail because of anyone but themselves. Haley was severely limited because of Pioli and Cassel. Because of that... we don't know what Haley would have done in a better situation. I think he will do well if hired in Arizona and it will only make a bigger mockery of Pioli's shit show. |
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Taking bowe and breaston off the field ina 7 point game is a firing offense. **** that guy.
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Not even going there again zilla...
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I wonder if the Colts try and keep Arians? Whats the condition of Pagano? What if his health gets worse during the offseason?
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It comes down to: - Cassel - Being a prick with the media - Shutting the team off from the fan base - Being and egocentric meglomaniac (the Chiefs do not have a Director of Scouting because Pioli thinks he knows ****ing everything) - Every first round pick he's had - Trading up for ****ing tight ends - Candy wrappers - CIA Brown Shirts around the stadium - Romeo Crennel - Brian Daboll - Brady Quinn And ever other shithole thing that has happened to this franchise in the past four years. Let's face facts - this Chiefs team, in the fourth year of the Pioli regime, stands as one of the historically bad teams in the history of the NFL. Samurai used to commit seppuku for an 1/8th of what has happened here with the Chiefs this year. This guy was brought in to, quote his own words, "win championships." This, the 2012 season - his fourth year as GM, is not winning championships. It's the mother ****ing Titanic. The ****ing Black Plague of modern football. It doesn't get worse than this. It's ****ing horrible. This ****ing guy should give back every single cent he stole from this team. **** Pioli. The guy sucks shit out of a stinking skunks festered ass. **** him with Mecca's toilet brush. **** this ****ing guy. Millions of dollars and he fields the worst NFL team in the last 50 years. **** YOU PIOLI!!! |
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Mecca never uses his toilet brush, I'm quite certain of this, so we need to find someone else's toilet brush to **** him with. I'm thinking luv's toilet brush will suffice.
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But again, this is exaggeration planet. You're right. Haley did absolutely nothing right. Nothing. |
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Who are the players whom Haley "improved"? Bowe? Was a stud before Haley arrived. DJ? Potentially true. Still a stud this year, so definitely not a "loser." Hali? See DJ. Flowers? Nope. Stud before Haley arrived. Albert? Nope. Good before Haley arrived and good after. Oh, you meant "losers" in a general sense? Well that was true during Haley's tenure, too. Ironic that you say this is "exaggeration planet" after making such an inaccurate and hyperbolic initial statement. |
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Four complete seasons and the team does not have a QB; does not have a Head Coach; doesn't have an Offensive nor a Defensive Coordinator. It doesn't matter what the rest of the team looks like, without those pieces you have nothing. I think it is safe to say that Pioli has failed about as hard as one can fail.
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By the way, all these guys got far worse after RAC took over in 2013. The team was in peak physical condition. You had guys working their tail off in practice. And you had freelancers playing with discipline. Last year, we had people laughably claiming RAC deserved credit for that and Haley didn't. How well is that theory holding up now? It is completely exaggeration to say nobody got better. Apart from maybe McCluster, name another player on this team who didn't reach his potential? And Cassel doesn't count, because he didn't have talent. |
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Schneider did sign away Flynn, but considering his team's draft position in 2012, I wouldn't have been too optimistic about finding a franchise guy in the first round either, especially since Miami traded UP to go get Tannehill. I have to think that the team's willingness to go with Wilson once they discovered him on the team is indicative of the way they view acquiring talent. |
Are we still talking about Todd Haley on this forum? :facepalm:
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I know, I know. Haley, our last coaching messiah, broke Bowe down to build him back up into a 1000-yard receiver who still has lapses in concentration. And the team lost 467 pounds collectively! No sizzle! The right 53! Cassel was clearly the great albatross that doomed what would otherwise be the brilliant coaching career of the best golfer in the NFL. But I have this one lingering question: If Haley was building everyone up, and all the players were ascending under him, why did the team play so poorly in '11? Fresh off a promising playoff performance in '10, that team was poised for greatness. He was a piece of ****ing shit HC. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything he touched turned to ****--after all, the man isn't Pioli--but he wasn't anywhere close to being good. But we can continue to blame everyone else for Haley's failings. No way. No ****ing way was he really as bad as the results suggest. The stats lie. |
The Steelers offense certainly isn't better with Todd Haley.
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All of the evidence is wrong. Wrong I say. |
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Anyone praising Haley needs their head checked. Praise him, but knock Arians? GTFO. |
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Haley called a Mike Cox FB pass to Matt Cassel in the last game of the 2009 season against Denver. Todd Haley, purported offensive genious (CP spelling) and quality HC, thought a Mike Cox to Matt Cassel pass was a good idea. That single fact completely negates any supposed positives that come with Todd Haley.
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Shocker, Zilla thinks he'll do well if hired in Arizona with really no basis for such an opinion.
What coordinators are going to coach with him? Pioli is a smug one who sucks the penis who few want to work for, and Haley is in the same boat. |
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Look at the final records in the AFCW last year and tell me Haley doesn't win the division a second year in a row with a healthy team and a ****ing horrid quarterback situation. |
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I know Wallace hates the offense. Big Ben does too. But you have to keep in mind that the Rooneys fired Arians because they were tired of seeing Big Ben freelance and get hit 10 times a game. The new offense has Big Ben getting rid of the ball faster and doing less freelancing, and that opens up less opportunity for Wallace. You can disagree with the philosophy if you want to, but that's coming from the Rooneys down. |
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Your point about coordinators is fair. I don't make excuses for stuff like that. And maybe Haley is purely insufferable to work with. But I also have heard plenty to suggest that Pioli didn't give Haley any say whatsoever in decisions like this, including what kind of an offense they were going to run. So reason to be skeptical, but still want to see how he responds with a GM who gives him even a tiny voice in picking his own staff. |
Charles alone is worth 2-3 more wins.
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Matt Cassel didn't count in 2009 and he doesn't count now. |
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And that's with being in their first year in a new system, Mendenhall missing most of the year, Ben getting hurt, etc. etc. They were scoring 23 a game before Ben's injury, so the improvement could have been even better than the slightly better status it's currently at. But even slightly better is still better. |
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Albert had a great rookie season with Herm running the show and nobody reasonable was calling for Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Jason Smith to replace him. Albert began his struggles when Haley came in and had him lose 30-40 pounds. He then went on to struggle in 2009 and play average in 2010. He's been an above average tackle in 2011 & 2012. Did the weight loss help? Maybe. But let's not act like Albert didn't show he was on his way to becoming a premier left tackle before Haley got his hands on him. I would even say that he almost ruined him. |
Ferentz can probably make Stanzi All Pro.
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The above is a completely invented narrative for many of the posters on this board, including the vast majority of posters whom I interact with on this site. Hell, we've largely lambasted any suggestions of moving Albert, much like we used to mock individuals who decried the play of Carr. |
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The weight loss was a great move. Albert has become one of the better run blockers in the league because he can get upfield, and his strength in the draft was foot quickness, which he can use more now. His strength isn't playing as he did as a rookie, where he was basically throwing his body run absent any technique. |
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Read the entire thread before calling bullshit. |
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I don't know if his obvious weaknesses were due to Cassel and Pioli. |
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This whole exchange is laughable, and I'm done debating the merits of a shitty HC. Teflon Todd with the tastiest rod in town. |
zilla that is such bullshit you fling all that shit and then make shit up about "everyone" wanting to move Alber to guard. That's crap.
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I never fully understood why people made so much of his "antics" on the sideline. NFL HCs are always going off for one reason or another and are rarely called out for it. Yet, when Haley showed some emotion (which I prefer to Roleo's or Herm's narcoleptic zombie demeanor) people went nuts ... never got that. He was also a guy who studied the game. It interesting that the "new NFL math" is gaining traction when it comes to fourth down attempts, fakes, etc. Haley was trashed for his creativity and understanding of the percentages. If given another opportunity, I think he will eventually be a very successful head coach in this league. Meanwhile, we'll probably still be trying to figure out how to rebuild one more time. FAX |
Team quit on him. Says it all right there.
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Nevertheless, you may be right. Those decisions are situational, though. In order to agree with you, my brain would have to absorb the game circumstances associated with each call. There's another variable, as well ... who was actually making the call? For example, was it Weis or Methuselah or Haley himself who make the call to run Thomas Jones around right end on 4th and 2 (or whatever it was)? So far as we know, it was Weis. Of course, Weis (a proven megalomaniac in his own right) would probably deny that. Oh ... and as for "the team quit on him", Mr. PGM ... think about it ... when your GM is proactively busting your balls behind your back on a daily basis, it's a little difficult to lead. I challenge any HC in the entire league to retain his respected leadership status under those circumstances. It's impossible. Cannot be done. No way. No how. FAX |
Mr. FAX, it's the NFL win or GTFO
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Ferentz/Pioli? LMAO Garbage. |
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