Exactly.

Bottom line is that they're essentially banking that:

1) hiring a college coach that runs a VERY unconventional offense is going to work even though pretty much every previous attempt has failed and

2) he can overcome #1 in Cleveland, where NOBODY has had much success.

I don't like the odds.

Again, I'm all about hiring a coach based on what he does. Wanting him to do what he's DONE, not hoping that he changes it.

Very good point.

No, I'm not confusing the two. I'm talking about up tempo because that's a system, not a scheme, and it's a concept that's being used a lot in no huddle. And typically, in a hurry up offense, you'll move to a more shotgun-oriented offense.

The Browns are going to have a terrific running game. Trent Richardson is legit and they have a good blocking o-line in front of him. And hell, may even get to bring LaGarette Blount as a RB tandem. To your other point... Weeden could be a good QB to run a more spread oriented offense.

My guess is that Lovie Smith is going go to Buffalo. Todd Haley back in Arizona. Who is going be coach for the Dolts? They still got to find a GM.

I'm banking on the idea that Kelly is a phenomenal coach (not the X's and O's, I'm talking about a pure coach). And that he's known to be a very bright mind and that his interviews suggest that he understands that college and NFL are two different games.

I think you're completely ruling out the possibility that he hires an innovative offensive coordinator with NFL experience. There's no guarantee that Kelly is going to run the same exact scheme as in Oregon. Just the feeling that he'll likely hire a coach familiar with a more spread design and that will have willingness to run up tempo.

If he's not going to run that scheme, what's the allure?

Makes no sense.

You're essentially saying "I really love this thoroughbred, he's so fast. But I really need a plow horse, so I'm gonna strap a yoke on him and hope for the best."

Because he is a phenomenal coach of players. His up tempo approach can easily mix in well with a QB and OC who like to run no huddle. And he's incredibly bright -- it's not like he can't run an NFL offense with spread orientation.

AGain, when I"m picking coaches, it's for how he can put a team together, not as much the X's and O's. The risk is in how stubborn he will be on scheme. My opinion is that he can pick a more spread-oriented OC who understands the NFL game. If he does that, this will be a really interesting pick to watch. But again... if he insists on playcalling control and/or on a college OC, then yeah, the Browns are doomed. I actually think Kelly is way too smart to do something like that.

Can't wait to laugh at the Chargers and who they end up with. Hopefully Herm Jr. or Haley ROFL

Chip Kelly recruited uber-talented players, and there's a ton of smoke that he cheated to do it.

You've honestly completely lost me. What you've said above makes zero sense. Sounds like grasping at straws.

It's not grasping at straws.

Again, I said the scheme is a risk. He's a boom/bust guy who could either be really successful or be an absolute nightmare. But I also think he's incredibly bright and knows he can't do things the same, nor will he try.

But as a head coach... he's known to be incredibly organized, runs a terrific practice, and is incredible at disciplining players to play within the system. His up tempo approach only works because it's practically run like a machine. Let's say he delegated the entire offense to his OC (We know he won't... just pretend here). If he did that, he could still potentially be a terrific head coach.

So again... I always liked Kelly because I like coaches who are going to get the most out of their players. And Kelly will do that. The risk is in the scheme, and we just don't know what he's going to do here. Hence, boom/bust.

Colt McCoy's been told he's in the new HCs plans ROFL

Getting the most out of your players at the college level is a much different process than in the NFL.

We talked about this last night. Kelly is in for a rude awakening. His biggest advantage was talent at the college level. In the NFL... he's ****ed.

Have fun with the salary cap and NFL parity c unt face.

I'm morbidly curious to see what the guy does in the NFL. I feel like he's the biggest boom or bust guy out there. He's either going to revolutionize the NFL or flame out horrifically.

As mentioned, my biggest concern with him though is while his teams will throw the ball, their strength has always been speed, speed and speed with the running game. I'm curious to see how Chip adjusts that to the NFL.

He will not have the speed/talent discrepancy he had in college. I think he's going to flame out.

We are going be two steps ahead of them. First with Coach then with GM. They still have to pick a GM to hire a coach. I like the way Clark got shit done this week. He came out said exactly what he wanted to do and did it.

Again, he gets his players to play disciplined, well executed football. And his players are extraordinarily well conditioned and play hard for him. That, more than anything, is something that will easily translate on the NFL level. It was once noted that he runs one of the most effective practices in the game.

This has fail written all over it imho.

Lots of coaches in the NFL can do that. That doesn't set him apart.

You know what is funniest about this....Wheeden. Nuff said.

Does anyone REALLY care at this point--especially, tonight??? :shrug:

LMAO

I really, really disagree with that.

You've seen I'm pretty consistent on this. This is my #1 criteria for a head coach. Norv and Romeo don't discipline their players because they're afraid to not be somebody's friend. Gunther Cunningham and Rex Ryan are all empty words. Lots of guys don't have the people skills to lead or motivate. A lot of them are like that really smart guy in class that can ace every exam, but could never sell anything on the road because nobody buys what you're selling.

So to me, Chip Kelly has that in spades. Something many good X's and O's guys don't have. So the Browns get that. Again, the question will become if his power gets to his head and/or if his scheme adapts. But at the very least, think Cleveland will be a very well coached team that won't make many mistakes and will play really hard for Kelly.

So he's got the goods to be an 8-8 NFL coach. What does he have that gets him to that NEXT level?

If his scheme is good and talent evaluation is solid, that leadership makes his team a playoff team. But Chip Kelly is an unusual case, where his scheme is probably going to be really inventive and very successful, or it's going to be really bad.

Again, it's boom/bust. But unlike a lot of other innovators, the team won't fail for lack of leadership.

I hope that the rumors a out him going to Cleveland are true; his already boom-or-bust nature will be accentuated by the Browns. If he succeeds, we'll get to witness the unlikely rise of a dynasty. If he fails, we can feel assured as fans that our owner made the right decision with Reid. It's win-win.

Jesus they jumped the gun again

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I hear you dude. I was about done too, but it was all Pioli. Pioli is gone and I want a mother****ing Super Bowl. I want to beat everybody's ****ing ass every ****ing game.

We've been down the "proven" route and it's gotten us a whole lot of not a goddamn thing.

Chip Kelly is the boom or bust guy. If he's as smart as he thinks he is, win. If not, there's the ****ing door, assface.

Weren't you the one that had in your sig something about a treadmill of mediocrity? You're also infamous for the quote of "Better than bad does not equal good." I'm not trashing on you, I just want the smartest guy in the league, and Reid smells like mediocrity.

That being said, there are a lot of good points to not want Chip Kelly. But still, I want Super Bowl wins, not mediocrity, and I can't help but think mediocrity is where we are headed.

Ian Rapoport is apparently a Nick Athan incarnation. The guy is wrong about everything and piggybacks off both Schefter and Mortensen. This guy was still beating the Ferentz drum as late as Thursday.

Last time it was ESPN/Shefter that got ahead of themselves.

14 seasons, 10 playoff wins, 5 appearances in the NFCC, and 1 appearance in the Super Bowl smells like mediocrity.

I heard a couple more interesting points this morning.

Chip Kelly is a master motivator, we all know that. But can he motivate players that are making as much money as he is? Some of his methods likely won't work and beyond that, some of his practice methods MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED under the current CBA.

We've also discussed his offense and how it relies on spacing. What I hadn't considered (and didn't realize until I saw some stuff on it this morning) is that his offense relies heavily on running to the wide side one field, aka MORE space. The hash marks in the NFL are different than in college. The NFL field is much more balanced - the wide side of the field isn't nearly as wide.

Yea, bout tired of this shit of trying to be the first to break news when it's not even close to the facts.

No they were basing it off NFL network reports I thought

FWIW, Oregon's Kelly Close to Browns Deal is still a top headline on NFL.com.

I think if he were here for 14 years without a Super Bowl, there would be a lot of talk about mediocrity. Maybe not. I don't know.

It just sounds a lot like the stuff we've heard before. "Proven Winner" "Sure Thing" "Best Coach on the Market".

All of it.

I'm still optimistic. There are a ton of good things that could happen out of all this, but I'm worried.

Sure. But he hasn't been here 14 DAYS.

Like I said before, if a coach hasn't won it in 5 years it's time to move on. Look at Reid's first 5 years. Pretty impressive.

Statistics say that Reid has a much better chance of winning a SB here than Gruden or Cowher. Things go sour when you are in the same place that long.


I'm willing to give him, like the previous regime, enough time to prove one way or another.

That's fair enough.

Better Cleveland than Philadelphia.
That'd be a horrible place to have your first NFL coaching gig.

Seems like Kelly would be better served being an OC in the NFL first, but I can't blame him for aiming high and taking every penny they pay out.

I wouldn't have turned on the previous regime so fast if it weren't for the CIA bullshit.

While true, it was awfully hard to try to conjure a hint of optimism for the RAC hire or Pioli's dishonesty about the QB position.

Dude was just a strange combo of incompetence and assholishness.

Statistics? You talking about the coach with his 2nd team thing? If so, I wouldn't put much stock there.

One thing has happened 10 of the last 15 times, IIRC. The other has never happened.


I don't really put alot of stock into it, cause it's just that damn hard to win a SB.

apparently negotiations with Chip Kelly have fallen through and Cleveland execs have left without Chip Kelly.

Mortenson just said 'Chip Kelly will not be the next Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns'


i suppose things could start back up again :shrug:

maybe another team told his agent that they would pay more?

BUT THEY WERE SO CLOSE!

Ian Rapoport should be out of a job after the last week.

You're right. Fox will fail.

Eagles.

Crap sheet is the worst journalist ever. He and Teicher are neck and neck.

I've been hammering him on Twitter all week. He has an agenda for pro Patriot way.

Staying at Oregon.

With the NCAA breathing down that programs neck? Doubt it.

ROFL

I'm out of the twitter-verse. Do they actually respond when you stack the shit on them?

He has. He was pushing his pro Feretz agenda last week and I told him how he should get off of Pioli's bank that Ferentz had no chance and then he DM'd me that he knew more than I did.

Phil Knight is backing up the Brinks Truck for him.

I don't think that matters given that Kelly is probably going to get slammed with sanctions. For a coach who seems like he'd really like to try out the NFL, the timing couldn't be any better for him to try.

bills hired marrone...no clue about that guy

Then you tell me why take an NFL team out of the running to use as leverage for your services?

I agree, he sucks.

Good Ole Ian Rappawrongport.

So now they are saying Kelly might just stay at Oregon. Wow....
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Awesome.

Wow. Glad we got Reid locked up before that happened.

Colt McCoy was like: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Schefter was on ESPN just now. Basically said no one really knows what he's going to do. It will be Oregon or the Eagles, but nobody really knows where he's leaning.

Also said Lovie Smith is probably going to interview with San Diego.

Well I wouldnt of hired a college coach with no NFL experience, does he have any?, the players in tough times wont like him

Lovie PLEASE go to SD!

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Why? He's not a bad coach by any stretch.

I still dont understand why he would consider the Browns. Eagles appear to be more of a team suited to his offensive style.

He should stay put with the roster of Freshman he had this last year.

He should GTFO of town before the wrath of god rains shit all over Oregon.

Excellent PR move. Thats the we ditched him. So that browns fans cant bitch about not getting him

I know players play. But man 7-1 and they didnt make the playoffs. I really dont care who SD gets. Phillip Rivers is falling and fast

So? He averages 9 wins per season. 10 if you don't count his first season.

And that's mostly with QBs who are shit ton worse than Phillip Rivers.

Poor Browns. Let's try to distance ourselves from that franchise if we can.

How is that a good PR move? If the Browns get a subpar coach the fans are going to be livid regardless. Saying that Chip Kelly wasnt a good enough coach before that will be even worse.

You sounded just like yoda you did.

I didnt say it would work but its a good PR move to make it sound like they didnt miss out on him, thus pissing off their fan base for not getting a top candidate

God? You mean the powers that be in the SEC? LMAO

God will have his say you non believer!