I can't believe that a team would draft him in the first round. The dude's career could be over after any play.

I doubt he'll pass many team physicals.

I didn't know that post season awards were the benchmark for a QB prospect. That Eric Crouch was sure a great pro QB as were Danny Wuerfull and Gino Toretta smh

And the response by the radio guys?

This is a better QB year than 2010 AND 2011. It's easily on par with 2009 when Stafford went #1 overall.

The ONLY reason people are saying this is because they can see Luck and RG3 in their rear view mirror.

KK said "drafting LT's has worked for us for years..."

KK saw the light on QB...he is on board


the caller thinks Wilson will be there in the 2nd...so let's make sure we draft OL, it's more important!

If I'm so stupid, could you tell me why Geno is so great? I know I hadn't even heard of him before this year.

All I really know about him is that he is 6'3" around 210lbs and throws kinda funny.

My greatest hope is that he is a McNabb clone if we do draft him, but I'm just not seeing that he is that good against good competition.

Well to be fair the caller said we should take Tyler Wilson...

IN THE SECOND ROUND.

People in Kansas City just have no concept of how much a QB is worth.

He doesn't throw funny at all. He easily has the best natural throwing motion in the draft.

Good point. I remember thinking Stafford was a reach at #1 and that was clearly wrong. He's a very good Pro QB.

I really hope I'm wrong here and Geno is awesome and everyone on CP can drop their load all over themselves.

But considering this was a Luke Joekel thread, I thought I would try to talk about what a good OT he is and how it might be a good idea to consider it.

No I don't.

This year's QB class is extremely deep, actually. Even after Murray stayed in, I think you'll get 3 decent QBs from this class. Smith, Wilson, Barkley, Bray, Glennon, Jones and Manuel all have a lot of strengths.

Barkley will be a successful starter in this league; a Matt Schaub type of QB. He just doesn't have a massive upside to him so I don't love him as a first rounder. Bray has skills that rival Matt Stafford's. Smith has the best touch I've seen in the draft since Bradford but he's healthier, more mobile and with a stronger arm than Bradford had. Wilson has a gamblers mentality and a willingness to attack downfield with the arm to do it. Manuel has a protype build and an absolute cannon and some mobility thrown in. Jones and Glennon both have the tall, strong-armed, pocket passer thing going for them.

There are going to be good QBs that come out of this draft and perhaps even 1 or 2 extremely good ones.

Compare this QB draft to any other QB draft over the last decade and it does extremely well except for 03 (Ben, Eli and Rivers) and last season's.

This idea that this year's QB class is a bad class is just inaccurate. Moreover, next year's class is going to be even worse.

So no, I don't have to agree that this is a down year for QBs. In face, I believe it is, at worst, a slightly above average QB draft.

Possibly and I also think that a lot of people, including me, are pissed off that we passed on Russel Wilson. I REALLY wanted him!

Or Charlie Ward.

He was a hell of a pro..............................











In the NBA

I sincerely hope you are correct.

and the next caller wants to keep cassel on the roster...."he threw 27tds...."

and then tries to argue that Tackle is most important to draft, and literally said - i'm not joking - "Isn't it about time a tackle came through for us?"

and now he wants chase daniels...

I AM NOT KIDDING...this must be a prank by someone on this board

Charlie Ward probably would have been a damn good quarterback if he didn't chose the NBA instead. Ironically King Carl had a big chubby over Ward and wanted to draft him in the first round in 1994, even called him during the season to change his mind.

It's the only reason he's even at Georgia. USC dumped him due to the spinal stenosis if I recall correctly

The only QB's good enough to be drafted by the Chiefs are QB's we can't pick.

Stafford? Not good enough until we were sure we wouldn't get the #1 pick.
Ryan? Not until he was already drafted by ATL and playing well.
RG3? No way, until WAS moved into the 2 slot and he became one of the best prospects ever.

With the #1 pick this year it's a certainty that no QB is worth our pick.

Joeckel is a better prospect than Jake Long. No question. But can't go OT here. Just can't.

Alright, imma tackle this one.

1. No, people aren't in love with Geno because of his numbers. So False. Most people here now that college numbers mean dick when evaluating a QB. People are in love with him because he has a very good physical tool set. He's an accurate passer with an outstanding release. He's athletic and mobile, has shown the ability to go through his progressions. That statement you made reeks of ignorance, ignorance that is spreading like a disease among Chiefs fans.

2. EVERY year aside from last year has been a "down" year for QB's. Aside form 2012, it's been the same shit every year, i'd think you knew by now. Around this time every year, aside from last of course, the "there is no QB worthy of #1" argument has been made.

3. You gotta stop listening to the damn talking heads. I GUARANTEE their opinions will change as draft day gets closer. You gotta use your own eyes. If you look at Geno Smith's cut ups and tell me all you see is a game manager, then i suggest you get your eyes checked.

This. Same thing every draft

Charlie Ward was just a few decades ahead of his time. Look at the types of QBs everyone wants now. If he played at Florida State today he would be a highly sout after prospect.

This. He was an RG 3 type player in the era of the pocket passer

Tebow won a Heisman.

What's your point?

And IF we lose Albert.....well.....we just used a 3rd Round Pick on his replacement. What would you rather have, a 3rd round LT or a 3rd round QB? Pretty simple answer for me.

Well, guess its good to know that we don't have to send our scouts out to look at any 1st round talent. We already have the pick sown up in January.

*poking the bear is fun

Wrong.

Joeckel is VERY athletic and has excellent feet. Superb pass blocker.

He's also used to playing in spread spacing on the edge and struggles at the point of attack. Mediocre run blocker. Will struggle to adapt to NFL defenses.

Joeckel has a higher ceiling than Long. Long had a MUCH higher floor. MUCH higher.

Ah...now I see the caliber of opponent I'm dealing with here.

I feel that I wasted a shitload of time with my last post. Afterall, everyone knows that college performance is clearly how one determines future success at the NFL level. Afterall, Chris Weinke, Tim Tebow, Jason White, all of those badass college QBs that ran around a lot and won Heisman's were clearly studs. Tebow winning in 2007 clearly meant that the Falcons had no business drafting Matt Ryan. The Packers clearly should've gone with Leinart over Rodgers.

Get this shit out of here. Now you're going to get blasted for being an idiot because you've proven yourself to be an idiot with 'logic' such as this.

Dumb.

Your decision to be a fan, tyton.

He played one year in the "spread" offense. He's only a mediocre run blocker because he is white and baby-faced. You're wrong.

You an A&M fan, are ya?

I suppose you think he's the best LT prospect in the last decade too, right?

He played in a pro-style offense last year and was anything but "dominant".

Actually he was. And he's kept Matthews on the right side for a reason. I am an ATM fan, but I don't think Im a homer. Don't really like Porter as a prospect and I think Moore is overrated by many as a pass rusher--though I still think he will be a damn good player

And Im not really sure who I would put ahead of Joeckel. So maybe. At least top 3.

Oh, I know the record of Heismans not projecting to the NFL. My point was that its basically turning into the best QB in the country award, and the top guys for the draft weren't in the conversation.

When McNabb was selected by Philly, he was a finalist. Just making some comparisons that worry me.

He also turned 20 in Novemeber of that year. Though you are still misinformed. Every A&M fan knew what they had coming into this year.

Well since Carl Peterson and Marty took over, that is predominately what they have done, pick the fatties in the first.

Danny Wuerffel. Don't forget Danny Wuerffel. And Eric Crouch.

Luke Joeckel = Jason Smith.

Geno Smith = Christian Ponder

see, I can do that too

hahahahaha idiot

Luke Joeckel is an injury-prone, one year wonder who converted from TE. ****ing dumbass

Good to see you posting tyton75, it has been a while.

What does the Heisman have to do with anything, anything at all? The Heisman is about winning College games, no matter how, not about who is the best pro prospect.

This team needs a QB with the God given talent that can be developed into an NFL franchise Qb, and it has been a very long time since one has worn a Chiefs uniform.

Pocket presence, pocket awareness, arm strength, intelligence, leadership, timing, size etc. in one player.

They have the first pick, and they need to pick the guy that most fits that criteria, and most on here think it is Geno Smith. I personally haven't watched enough of his play to have an accurate opinion on him, but I value the opinion of some of the dedicated College followers on her.

Bottom line, this team is out of time when it comes to getting a Qb to develop and they need to just do it.

Who in the playoffs is built around an OT not a QB?

Ravens? No
Broncos? No
Patriots? No
Texans? No
Seahawks? No
Falcons? No
Packers? No
SF? No

Now, what is the ONLY thing holding back some of these teams from being Super Bowl favorites?

Ding Ding Ding! Quarterback play. Take the goddamn QB (Not ranting at you specifically Turkey)

Really? Who came in second in the Heisman voting this year? Not a Qb.

I'm completely with you, the worry I have is that the best QB available isn't a franchise type QB(and I hope I'm wrong) but I just don't want them getting tunnel vision on one guy simply because he has QB in front of his name on the roster.

Hell, I would like us to take 2 QB's in the draft if the talent is there. If this kid is as good as I have heard, then it might be a worthwhile pick and then take QB with 2nd and 3rd round. And Obviously, I could be completely wrong too.

:)

You are missing the point. You can't just write it off and say "simply because he has QB.." like that is some kind of non important factor. Our position of most desperate need is QB. The fact that we have the number one pick and our choice of the litter dictates we identify who we want and take him. Don't screw around! And yes, it IS because they have the Q and B in front of their name that we take whoever it turns out to be.

There will always be a worry as to whether a QB is a potential franchise guy. Outside of last year there has never been such little worry to that effect.

Yep.. The texans and the 49ers are not built around the QB but in turn the QB position is the thing holding those two teams back

See, that is where we disagree. I want them to draft a QB #1 this year no matter what. Then if it fails, do it again until they get one that can get them where they want to go.

Just look at the recent extremely high picks, #3 overall TJ, most would prefer to let him walk. #5 overall, Glen Dorsey, pretty much the same story, he hasn't fit.

To take two in the draft is a head scratcher for me, but it is a thought, the Skins were so committed that they did it.

Heck the Chiefs have one on the roster now that hasn't taken a regular season snap in three years on the team. Too many coaches worried more about their job more than the team.

Instead of spending time arguing here and "hoping you are wrong", just go out to Youtube and you can pretty much watch all the games from the QB's in this draft.

For Geno Smith, you can watch every game this season, cut up into only his passing attempts... even the incompletions.

For Tyler Wilson there is plenty of film from 2011,2012 to see how much potential he has.

Plenty of video on Barkley as well.


Judge for yourself and quit listening to others.

He's no Jonathan Ogden, pass.

Sorry, this is a lame argument. Every one of those teams have a first round left tackle, with Denver and Seattle spending the #5 and #6 overall. They also had the LT in place before they found their QB.

Atlanta moved into the first round for Sam Baker the same year they took Ryan, the Ravens drafted Oher one year after Flacco (with mixed results) and the Packers and Patriots have spent first rounders in the past two years on LT's.

The reality is that BOTH positions are extremely important. Fortunately, the Chiefs have Albert and don't need both an LT and QB.

You are in top form lately, O.city

This is a great suggestion. I did this on Geno, Wilson, Barkley and Glennon.

It has placed me solidly in the Geno camp.

Good quarterbacks make their Oline look better. Luke is a product of Tannehill and Mr. Johnny Fever

Waaaaaahhh I did this and I didn't see any Andrew Lucks! Why does fate hate the Chiefs? Waaaaaaaaahhhh! /TEX

I'm not advocating that we take an OT over QB, but this point needs to be said.

Duane Brown is much better in the LT ranks than Matt Schaub is at the QB position. The same thing applies for Joe Staley and either Niners QB.

Those were bad examples.

Yet Brown wasn't hurt last year during the playoffs.

But yes, they are probably better. But it still doesn't matter.


I'm not sure why you are going to every length to argue against drafting a QB first overall?

I mean that's 95% going to happen at this point, it's just a matter of which one.

I actually used this to support us drafting a QB at 1.

Matt Schaub is clearly holding the Texans back and I don't think Kaepernick will outperform Aaron Rodgers.

Can you imagine if Peyton chose the 49ers over the Broncos? They might be 16-0 right now.

Yeah, I don't really get that move. The Broncos are good, but the 9ers with Manning>the Broncos with Manning.

If Joeckel grades out to be the top prospect in this draft. Turn in the card.

Forget the other positions? QB IS THE ONLY POSITION THAT MATTERS FOR US THIS YEAR!

Good call.

Let's make sure we draft this guy so we can let one of our few established young starters walk.

I love this plan. Let's use the most valuable pick this franchise has ever had to provide, at best, a marginal improvement on the guy we had during a season when we went 2-14.

How does this not sound like a god-awful idea to more people?

Martyball leftovers?

Fear?

Not doing the homework on Geno Smith (or even Tyler Wilson) and listening to much to the talking heads on ESPN? (Who don't know shit, especially at this point?)

I'll go with the last one.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Reminder: A player being ranked No. 1 overall doesn't mean the #Chiefs will or should take him. Rankings aren't mock drafts.

Hyperbole is great, isn't it?

I took lessons from you.

Matt Miller has said several times on WHB that the Chiefs should take Geno, FWIW.

A good majority of this fan base is beyond ****ing reeruned.

Last years number one pick's last name was Luck. Clearly he's brought that to the Colts.

Some people want us to draft a guy whose last name has the sound of the word 'joke' in it. That's exactly what the pick would be. A ****ing joke.

Good for him. He can stay the **** away from KC.

Get our LT, move Albert over to guard, and our line is in place. People have long argued the need to get the line right before drafting the QB.

(ducks)

LMAO

Indeed. Who's Joeckel going to protect? Ricky Stanzi? **** Joeckel, This would be who Peehole picked if he was here.

Alex Smith, of course.

No way, man. Jason Campbell, duh.

yes, of course.

Maybe we could get Jason Cambell, Alex Smith, Matt Hasslebeck and Trent Edwards in here to fight it out like men?

Until Geno shows up and throws a football straight through their abdomens. There would be a small amount of heart everywhere.

I thought we were drafting Campbell Jr. Number 1 overall

You guys weren't kidding. :doh!:

Lil_Juice_ ‏@Lil_Juice_
@bobfescoe Please join the growing group of season ticket holders that are pushing for KC to take Luke Joeckel fromA&M #1 overall.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu