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We will formally intro John Dorsey as 6th GM in franchise history on Mon. Jan 14, at 2 p.m. CT. Go to http://kcchiefs.com for live coverage

What the hell's going on with your coaching search bud? LOL cant figure it out.

Awesome move. This has been a pretty darn good offseason so far - let's just hope that we kill the draft and our new coordinators exceed our expectations.

Awesome night.

I hope Dorsey walks in to the room of scouts. Pulls the pin from the grenade and walks back out

I don't know if these are the best hires (I do like Dorsey a lot, still lukewarm at best with Reid), but I am pretty happy that we are getting things together so quickly.

So this will be an evaluation year? I'm confused?

A possible Dorsey crash course for us not in the know, please.

Rotoworld's take on it:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1354/chiefs-offense

"Chiefs hired John Dorsey as general manager.
For the third straight offseason, the Packers are losing GM Ted Thompson's right-hand man after Reggie McKenzie took the Raiders' GM job in 2012 and John Schneider became Seattle's GM in 2011. Dorsey will enter a situation more like Schneider's, beginning as second fiddle to powerful coach Andy Reid with a role likely to increase as the years go on. Dorsey has spent 22 years in player personnel. He was Green Bay's Director of Football Operations in 2012

Why? Our scouts weren't the problem. The scouts' job is to follow Pioli's playbook. This would be the same stupid mistake we made when Pioli arrogantly chose to ignore Peterson's scouts for the 2009 draft.

The scouts we have are all Pioli yes men.

Dorsey and Reid have a lot of work to do. Was looking at NFL stats today, and the D was actually worse in yards per play than the O. Only 3 teams gave up more yards per play than we did. What a disaster the Pioli era was.

Glad this is confirmed, finally. Great day today.

Different situations.

Pioli and the coaching staff weren't in place until late February, early March, giving the team little to no time to get things set up.

This is getting done quick, and there will be time to get others in place in plenty of time ot make evaluations.

We have no idea if our scouts are as dumb as Pioli or not. Given the fact that he hired them and our drafts were paltry at best, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they probably aren't very ****ing good.

I like that it's getting done quick and he's not pigeonholing us in regards to the DC.

Out of the 8 or so teams to fire their HC/GM...I believe we have the quickest turn-around time in regards to the bringing in a new regime this season. Completely ****ing different than when Scott came in...

I'm sure it's already been thought of, but there must have been a provision not to announce it until after the game started.

Donks lose and Dorsey hired.

It is a good day

How long until Dorsey's name is filtered out?

So Bad Guy, what are you hearing now? Whats left to be filled/done?

Can't say that enough.

I thought I heard at one point that Pioli ignored much of the scouting reports, and generally felt he could scout better than them. I think it came out last year around this time, but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

God damn you are persistent.

I'm going to lay off this guy with constant emails. There's not a lot of news now that Dorsey's been hired until free agency and I want to keep him in my good graces until then.

How anyone could say definitively that the scouts weren't a problem is beyond me.
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All scouts are supposed to be. It's not their job to challenge their superiors on scheme.

LMAO

Scheme? No thats set.


But be a yes man and agree with what the boss says no matter what? No thanks.

What a great day.

Heh, I try.

All good, thanks for the info.

Good thinking.

would be nice to get some fa/draft news...
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You're ****ing clueless.

The scouts job is to watch tape/go to games and evaluate talent. It's not to be a ****ing yes man.

You know he wasn't talking about scheme. And a healthy organization will have a lot of heated debates about players.

But Pioli was far too insecure to allow for this type of environment, based on everything we learned about that worthless ****.

It does seem that you are getting a shitton more info with the new regime, which I like.

America **** Yeah!

Dude, has Bad Guy contacted you with any new information yet? Hearing anything?

I just got the e-mail about the info club Badguy is starting

Eh, didn't mean that the way it sounds.


It's cool that he's getting all this information. I really appreciate it.

Just flipping you shit.

Sorry for being a persistent jackass, my bad.

I do know that it would be ****ing awesome to go to a prime time night playoff game at Arrowhead, in which we actually won.

So there's a goal for next year.

Don't sweat it man.

This has to be the most exciting off season to date. Really.

I'll bet the Eagles/Chiefs game is in prime time next year.

While I hate Pioli, he ran a very good scouting network. It sounded like they were all over the place in scouting players and very thorough, whereas it felt like Peterson's network wasn't that way. It felt like Peterson relied a lot more on making a few phone calls to his buddies than in listening to his scouts.

They always say the first two rounds are typically calls made by the front office. The later rounds go to the scouts. Think our scouting department did a decent job in the late rounds, especially given that they were recruiting talent for flawed schemes. Scouting is a top down process. The better the vision is from the guys up top, the better our scouts are going to be at finding the right guys.

No! We have already been instructed by the CP football geniuses that it has to be Geno. Do NOT disrespect them!!

Is that in KC?

What a great day!

Nope, at Philly. Dallas & Giants coming to Arrowhead.

Stop it.

Sorry, another question, my bad.

You think Peterson's scouts were limited, but Pioli's weren't?

Based on what? Our incredible late round drafting the last 4 years?

Goddamnit Athan go to bed and quit making shit up ROFL LMAO just kidding man

I'm with you and I have a strong feeling they are not going to spend a #1 on him. They might but I don't think they will.

The scout's job is to follow orders. The coach and GM dictate the scheme, and that creates the playbook that scouts have to follow. Their job is to go to games and evaluate talent BASED ON THE PLAYBOOK. They are told exactly what players they are supposed to find. From there, their evaluations trickle to the college scouting director, whose job is to listen to a gazillion scouting reports and sum up the bullet points concisely to the head personnel guy.

Don't blame the guys whose job is to pull together the reports. Blame the multiple levels of leaders above the scouts that are giving them crappy playbooks to follow and that don't do a good job of slotting for draft value. It's not the scout's job to fight with Pioli. That was Emery's job.

Bullshit.

I can't believe you're still touting that mother****ing piece of shit.

The Chiefs couldn't and didn't draft for shit during *****'s tenure, yet our "scouting network" was strong?

Yeah, not buying this one single bit. ***** didn't know the first thing about scouting, acquiring, or developing talent. Biggest fraud in NFL history.

And I'd like to thank the mods for wiping his name from this board. The ***** filter is brilliant.

Mother**** you for all time, *****.

Link to prove that the various area scouts were producing high-quality information?

great hire

The takes are just incredible.

It's like he lives in another football universe.

The depth on this team sucks, but the scouts were good?

Get ****ing lost.

LMAO how did he have a good network? All his picks suck except his OLB Houston. Egoli can go get hit by a ****ing train and i wouldnt give 2 dicks

Quit apologizing dude lol

zilla zillaing it up again.

FYI Scott COULDNT have listened to scouts. His ego wouldnt allow it. He hired Yes men

Why are scouts fighing with anyone? They are information feeders. They write their reports based on their evaluations.

Good ****ing christ.

No shit.

No one hijacks a thread with awful football takes like this clown.

Peterson had a reputation for pulling a lot of players from his network. Even in the late rounds. Made a ton of picks from the Pac 10.

Pioli made the picks based on scouting intelligence. I am convinced he gave his scouts a shitty playbook to follow. How many better picks would we have made if we were recruiting 1-gap players? What about the year Pioli demanded that his scouts pull only captains? Do you blame the scouts for the decision to never take a QB? And Pioli was the stubborn piece of shit that always tried to prove he could field a team with support players. Which is why he reached for so many players.

I wouldn't blame Pioli's shitty draft philosophy on the scouts. I don't know what kind of world people think the football world is where a scout would have anywhere near the power to argue against Pioli.

Only you would take anything I'm saying about Pioli right now as any kind of compliment.

So why are you trying to argue that they were "yes men" as if that's a bad thing? I am saying it's their job to follow orders and to get guys their leaders are asking for.

Black Boobing

You were arguing that we really don't know what we have with them because they had to take orders with Pioli.

I'm saying the scouts Pioli had blew and blew hard.

Pioli runs a very effective, efficient scouting network. He did in New England. He did in Kansas City. If you followed where our scouts were, you'll see that they went to a ton of games. And you hear reports about scouts talking to people as deep into the college as the equipment manager to get a sense for a player's character. That's why I'm not convinced our scouts are the problem.

The problem was the unbelievably shitty decisions Pioli made in dictating horrible schemes. And then using ego to drive his draft strategy. Just because Pioli made dumb picks, doesn't mean that he was fed bad information.

1-gap 3-4?

I don't see any evidence supporting your assertions. And I mean none.

Hope is restored!
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We don't know what ***** did in NE, but his time in KC strongly suggests that he did very, very little of consequence.

Given *****'s propensity to focus on all of the wrong things, it makes sense that he'd have his scouts talking to equipment managers rather than looking at tape and evaluating if the player can actually...wait for it...play at a high level. All the while disregarding some of the most obvious and damning evidence that can be presented (evidence A: Brokaki).

***** was a ****ing fool, and there is nothing but weak speculation to try to claim that his scouting network was any less foolish. There is, however, plenty of empirical evidence to prove that everything ***** tried to do was a mistake, so I'll continue to put my faith in what we definitively know.

This new dynamic is wasting NO time, head coach wrapped up far before anyone else, general manager wrapped up way early...

The speed with which change has taken place is heartwarming, Clark has once again shown he definitely has the stones to swing for the fences... "one supposedly brilliant mind couldnt get it done, well then this time i'll get TWO"

THIS can potentially build the Pittsburgh West kind of team that Clark and most everyone else envisioned ***** accomplishing... btw, his "scouting" was pure garbage.

/swoons for the excitement of 2013

Excellent. Onward to Geno!