I don't think Talib gets let go by NE. He likes them and they need him desperately (they've needed a CB since Asante left. I'd expect them to shell out some money to Aquib)

Gun to my head, I'd take a top tier 3-4 DE this year over Rhodes in the 2nd.
The reason being it provides more versatility for us from base fronts (allowing us to get a pass rush, flexibility with fire-zones).

From his post game words, I don't think he goes back there. I'd be fine shelling out some money for him, I think he'd pair awesome with Flowers.


Berry, Flowers, Talib, FS from Fresno. Done.

Talib is a local guy, right?

He played at KU, not sure where he's from.


Hearing some chatter on twitter that the Jets are thinking of shopping Revis. What would you be willing to hypothetically give up for him?

Also, I think you can take Glennon off the list for us. He just doesn't fit the WCO type offense.

This Nassib bullshit has got to stop. The dude is as overrated in the pre-draft circus as Tony Pike was.

I just really don't see it either. I know Sorter likes him, and I put Sorters opinion up pretty high, but I just don't see it. I think he's a 2 year prospect.

What are his red flags as you see them, Hamas? I like the kid if the value is right in the draft.

Yeah but DaKCMan AP is unimpressed and his opinion is Awesome.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=117

He has underwhelmed this week. :(

To the person who wanted to know about Zaviar Gooden, here is my response: he was better as a sophomore than he was as a senior. Perhaps that's a result of playing with two complete stiffs at LB, but I have my doubts.

The biggest flag is that the value wouldn't be right for him because he has been overrated.

I watched Syracuse fist Missouri's secondary and at no point was I in awe of Nassib. He had a completely clean pocket all night and through the first three quarters produced 10 points of offense. If not for the CB's inability to attempt to cover Alec Lemon and Steckel's refusal to allow Gaines to cover him, they lose that game.

He's a guy benefiting from the perception of a lack of depth at QB. He is to this draft as the "Not-Romney" guys were to the GOP primary.

Is he likely to even get drafted? Could he be good depth? Pass rusher?


For all the games of MU I watched, I can't for the life of me remember.

I could see the bills using their second rounder on him. Coaching connection and all.

Jets in the second round.

Tough to evaluate the QBs. In most of the drills the DBs were holding/pulling/yanking/interfering throughout the entire route. Wilson seemed to have the most completions. Jones seemed to be off (even without pressure), and Manuel was up and down.

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013practice6.php

2013 Senior Bowl: Wednesday Practice Report (South Team)

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The Detroit Lions' coaching staff ran Wednesday's South team practice with the players in full pads.

There were a number of standouts in this South practice. Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson, Tennessee tight end Mychal Rivera, Louisiana Tech wide receiver Quinton Patton and Georgia defensive tackle John Jenkins were all very impressive.

The running backs and the linebackers went one-on-one in pass-blocking drills in the early portion of practice. Florida running back Mike Gillislee started strong with a resounding win against Texas A&M linebacker Sean Porter. Gillislee followed that by losing a rep to Stanford's Chase Thomas. He rocked Gillislee off balance with a big hit before storming to the quarterback marker. Later, the Gators' back ran a nice route on a pass-receiving rep and made a tough catch along the sideline with Porter trailing behind.

Stanford running back Stepfan Taylor had a win against Missouri's Zaviar Gooden, but may have gotten away with a hold. Taylor had a great block, riding and sustaining the contact, against Florida State linebacker Vince Williams.

Both Taylor and Gillislee ran the ball well in the team scrimmage. On the first rep, Gillislee darted to the right side for a good gain. Taylor, for his part, bounced a run to the outside for gain of about 10 yards. The defense came back to stuff a few runs from both backs.

Gillislee ripped off a 40-yard run toward the very end of the team scrimmage when he jab-stepped to get through a hole to the right. Gillislee was then able to juke Alabama safety Robert Lester about 10 yards into the run to get in the open field. Lester took a terrible angle and set himself up for that.

Gillislee was running along the sideline before he was rocked flat on his back by Georgia safety Shawn Williams. Even though Gillislee was sent flying, it was still the best run of the day. Both he and Taylor have helped themselves this week.




The defensive and offensive lines devoted a lot of time to one-on-one battles on Wednesday. Chase Thomas got those started by beating Florida tackle Xavier Nixon with a spin move. On the rematch, Nixon held Thomas up after a good push. Nixon also had an impressive win mirroring a speed rush versus BYU defensive end Ezekiel Ansah.

There was a lot of karate chopping going on during that matchup, and Nixon appeared to hurt his hand while Ansah may have been poked in the eye. Both players took a short break after that rush before returning in the team scrimmage.

Louisiana Tech tackle Jordan Mills was chippy all day, blocking until the very end and coming close to some fights. He started well by putting Clemson defensive end Malliciah Goodman in the turf, but Goodman took the rematch with a speed rush. Mills had a draw going against Ansah.

There were some really good battles between Kentucky guard Larry Warford and Georgia defensive tackle John Jenkins. Both players are very strong and heavy, yet retain surprising athleticism. The first rep was a draw as Jenkins got some pressure, but didn't finish the rush. Jenkins then beat Warford with a fast and powerful bull rush, but Warford won the next rep by stopping a bull rush cold at the line of scrimmage. The Wildcat standout had an impressive win in which he knocked South Florida tackle Corey Grissom to the ground.

Jenkins split two reps with California's Brian Schwenke. The first rep saw Schwenke anchor well against a bull rush; Jenkins let his pad level get too high. The rematch saw Jenkins correct the mistake as he drove Schwenke straight back through the quarterback marker in an instant. It was an angry bull rush that got a reaction from the crowd. Jenkins has really performed well in Mobile, and that has improved his draft stock.

Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson had back-to-back wins against Goodman, pushing him down on the second. Johnson kept making things look easy by shutting down two rushes from LSU's Lavar Edwards. Johnson stopped Edwards in his drop and just kept him far from the pocket. There is no doubt that Johnson has had a tremendous Senior Bowl and has really helped himself.

Virginia offensive tackle Oday Aboushi lost the first rep as Edwards got leverage on him. Aboushi was able to mirror him on during the rematch before tying up a speed rush by Edwards. Aboushi also had two impressive wins against Montori Hughes on which he moved Hughes to the outside. Aboushi later beat Goodman when he held him straight up, but then only drew on the rematch. Aboushi looked better overall on Wednesday than he did on Tuesday.




The front seven had some success stuffing runs in the team scrimmage. For one, Jenkins swallowed up Gillislee at the line of scrimmage on one carry. Williams, on the other hand, had some massive hits on Wednesday and blasted running backs for no gain on consecutive plays. Alabama's Nico Johnson, Vince Williams, Gooden and Lester all chipped in tackles for no gain as well. Meanwhile, Porter flew into the backfield to hammer Miami running back Mike James.

Perhaps the most impressive play of practice came when Ansah skied into the air to deflect a pass from Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel. The deflected ball floated long enough for Gooden to be able to snatch it for an interception. Ansah got incredibly high to deflect that pass, and it looked like a play he made in BYU's bowl game last month. Ansah really displayed his explosiveness.

The defense didn't completely dominate though, as Warford blasted open a big hole for Taylor to rip off a big run. Gillislee and Taylor both had a number of positive carries.




Tyler Wilson had success moving the ball, including a great throw to hit Rivera on a crossing route between two defenders. Wilson went back to Rivera on a rollout since the Volunteer tight end was open in zone-coverage running across the field. Wilson also moved the ball well with a number of short completions.

Overall, Wilson has had a good week. He demonstrated shown accuracy, arm strength, ball security and good decision-making. The quarterback pecking order for the 2013 NFL Draft remains to be figured out, but Wilson has helped his cause.

Oklahoma quarterback Landry Jones had a few missed opportunities in this practice. Among the good things for him was when he connected with Georgia wide receiver Tavarres King on a curl route. However, Jones also had an overthrow of a back on a short crossing route that was a gimme completion with room to run. Later, Jones had Rivera wide open running down the field, but lofted the ball too far for another poor incompletion. Jones really hasn't improved his stock this week.

Manuel got his work going via a nice connection with Louisiana Tech wide receiver Quinton Patton on a quick slant. Manuel also telegraphed a throw that was deflected by Gooden for an incompletion. The best completion from Manuel came when he lofted a pass into Alabama tight end Michael Williams, who was open against Lester. It was a good throw for Manuel to just get it over leaping linebacker Vince Williams.

Patton had an excellent practice. He was phenomenal in the one-on-ones. Patton started with a great catch over Alabama safety Robert Lester. Patton the beat Lester again; this time making a great falling catch over Lester in the end zone. It was a well-thrown pass by Jones from about 45 yards away.

Wednesday was the final padded practice for the South squad prior to the Senior Bowl on Saturday.

Basically the two top QB's this week have been Tyler Wilson and Mike Glennon. The thing is Glennon doesn't fit us even if he were a option... he is a Air Coryell type of QB, while we are a WCO team now. Wilson has definitely put himself into the discussion along with Smith and to an extent Barkley. We will know where Barkley completely stands after the Combine and Pro Days.

Yes Talib is local in a sense. Went to KU but is from Dallas originally. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Coach Reid like bigger CB's historically? Some of the top CB's this week have been Trufant from Washington, Poyer from Oregon State, Taylor from Boise State, etc. They guys could be had from 2nd to 3rd round if I were to guess. Two other CB's that had their moments to keep a eye on are Rob Alford and B.W Webb.

A few ILB I have had my eye on are Reddick from UNC and Johnson from FSU to go along with Klein from ISU from last weekends Shrine Bowl game. Then there is always Teo'....

A couple S's to keep a eye on is Cyprien from FlU and McDonald from USC. These two have seem to sky rocket up the boards to be in the same discussion with the likes of Elam (UF), Rambo (Georgia) and Reid (LSU).

A interesting NT to keep a eye on is the Williams kid out of Missouri Southern. He has performed very well this week.

I really like Mike Gillislee. I was screaming for him to get reps @ Florida and it took Urban Meyer leaving for Mike to get his chance. He tore it up this year and I think he can do well in the NFL. Not for the Chiefs, though. He'll get drafted much higher than KC can afford to spend a pick on a RB.

A late round or UDFA RB I like is Michael Hill out of Missouri Western. Hill is 5'11", 210 (4.5) that ran for over 2,000 yards this season.... Tore up the Raycom game with around 150 yards rushing and at least 2 TD's.

NFLN talked to Gus Bradley during the North practice yesterday. I was pretty impressed with him. I like the Reid hire but I kind of wish the Chiefs had hired Bradley. I guess time will tell which was the right choice, though I know Clark would have had a hard time selling a first time head coach after the ***** and Crennel disaster.

There are ALWAYS late round or UDFA RBs available. Always. Last year I liked Tauren Poole. Two years ago Stevan Ridley. Three years ago ago I was high on Montario Hardesty and Charles Scott. Four years ago my favorite was Arian Foster.

This year I like Zac Stacy, Spencer Ware, Theo Riddick, Washaun Ealey, and for a change of pace back Chris Thompson

Sorter and I have been Nassib fans for a long time but neither of us think he's anything more than a 2nd-round pick.

Like Hamas said, he's benefitting from the lack of clarity in this class and thus his stock is being inflated.

He's a solid QB but he's got limited upside because he just doesn't operate well when he's "the man".

He's a high-end game manager, really.

Mayock was comparing him to Dalton, which I think is a fair comparison. Personally, I would like to aim a little higher.

Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison. Dalton, too, is a high-end game manger IMO and not much more.

Yeah, I just looked him up. Not bad.

I admit I don't mind Nassib. If we passed on a 1st round QB, he would make sense in the 2nd round. Then again teams could reach for him if QB's start going off the board in the 1st quick.

My only major knock on him is he doesn't drive his deep balls... He definitely has a habit of floating his deep balls. Much like Barkley and Dysert, they are WCO system guys only. Short to intermediary stuff is their game.

I think he's better than Dalton.

Like htismage said, I think he's typically a 2nd/3rd round guy who will likely go in the 1st this year. I really like his release and movement w/in the pocket. I really dislike his lack of accuracy on 9s. Solid accuracy on posts, deep digs but does struggle with touch on the deep ball considerably more so than Geno, Wilson, Barkley, and even Glennon.

He'd be a great kid to draft in the late/mid first and let sit for 2-3 years.

Sorry I don't want Ryan Fitzpatrick as my QB.

He's not Fitz. Doesn't have a Cassel-esque release ala Fitz and isn't a guy who played for a contract IMO.

Oh no, no, no.

Terrible comparison.

Mayock and Davis have their senior bowl QB analysis up at nfl.com

Basically everyone is afraid to commit to anything. Positives about everyone, won't even venture to guess where/what round. These guys are afraid to make a prediction without the input of teams/scouts when big boards are really getting set.

I don't understand why. They aren't going to lose their jobs over being wrong and it isn't like anyone in the NFL really takes them seriously. Why the **** can't they just sack up and be honest?

Flacco being the perfect example with Mayock since his Senior Bowl week till draft day Mayock had him going in the second round then suddenly he was a 1st round QB talent.

Jake Knott is a LB just as good if not better than Klein who will probably be drafted at least one round later than him.

I know I'm a broken record on that, but if you like Klein you have to like Knott too. Both will be bargin picks. In the NFL they might not be that big name, but they will be very good, oprotunistic, and make few mistakes. dedicated hard working team players that are great to have on the team. You can't have 22 Pro Bowlers, exactly the type of players to have line up with your stars and not be a weak link.

It would be interesting to see which announcers/analysts are represented by the same agents/corps as the prospects.

This is as good as place as any to post this. Yesterday I was watching 212 and Mayock stated that 15 QBs have been drafted in the 1st round in the last five years. 14 are starters with Tebow being the lone exception.

Yet another fact for any peeps who don't want to draft a QB at 1.1.

things have changed

and if you have any competent coaching at all, you should be able to start rookies...

Wouldn't you expect a first round QB drafted within the last 3 years to be the starter and still be under the evaluation process?

I'm guessing there is a decent chance that Sanchez can be added to the failed test this upcoming year and maybe Gabbert.

I still think it's more evidence that we should draft a QB in the 1st round. You don't think we should?

I'd prefer if KC were to draft Smith, Wilson or Bray. I don't care if they take them at 1, 10, 34 or 65.

I hope Reid and Dorsey identify their franchise QB and take him with the first pick of the draft. We're in the position to do it so that's what we should do. If they have the attitude of trading down and taking which ever QB is there then I'm going to feel like they haven't really identified their franchise QB.

I know it's not an OLB's job to take on a OL, but I was pretty focused on him last year when they played at OU, and the guy was routinely crushed by pulling guards. On skates all night, and couldn't disengage to save his life.

Bob Gretz rates EJ Manuel as his #1 QB at the Sr Bowl.

Here's how he ranked them.

1.Manuel
2.Nassib
3.Wilson
4.Dysert
5.Glennon
6.Jones

EJ is an interesting prospect. I'll be interested to see how he measures up at the combine against everyone else.

What kind of 40 times are you expecting from Smith/Manuel/Wilson/Nassib?

1.Manuel

2.Smith


3.Nassib
4.Wilson

He's a beast, graduated with him last semester

He's an athlete for sure.

He's just a horrible QB.

DL Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern made the OL look like fools in the blitzing drills(Sorry don't know the actual name of the drill - goal was for the defensive guy to get to the coach holding the ball, who represented the quarterback. He just shucked them aside like AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT.

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nice

When I was stationed in Virginia from 2004-2007 I would watch him play high school ball every week. He was rated the #2 QB in his class in 08 I think.

Gooden is fast and can cover. Weighs around 235 but could easily bulk up to 250-maybe 265 (from what MU coaches have said)

Ideally, I'd like to bulk him to 240 and draft him to play ILb on subs/possibly base packages if he can play the run well enough.

I like what I saw from Wilson. But that Manuel TD was nicer. Perfect placement.