This is true. Barkley does drink his own pee.

The one thing that surprised me a bit when looking at the excellent throws chart that has been floating around was the merely average accuracy totals posted on the intermediate throws.

But that tracks really well with his inconsistent mechanics and footwork.

I wonder how much of the inconsistent footwork comes from the porous OL he has played behind, and his attempts to get the ball out as quick as possible.

If he can keep those instincts while cleaning up his footwork, it could end up being a tremendous asset in the pros. Compare that to, say, Sam Bradford, who played in probably THE cleanest pocket of any of the guys drafted high, who has not been great throwing the ball when hurried/pressured, and you've got a winning combo, IMO.

I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.

Who doesn't?

:clap:

There have been a lot of QB's not throw at Indy and wait until their schools Pro Day.

And while I agreee with you, I am not going to be shocked if he waits, nor will I hold it against him. But I will be disappointed.

WHy? alot of top picks have private Pro Days now in March.

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

What he really is?

Hard to say 100% for certain.

He's absolutely a top-flight prospect with very high ceiling. He's got almost everything you look for in a franchise QB.

If I was his agent and I was confident that he is the best guy out there, I'd tell him to go swing his big thing in front of everyone. That way, you position your guy to just put the cherry on top of the whole deal at his pro day, as opposed to having to prove everything in one day.

But I guess I won't be shocked if he does not throw at the Combine, just disappointed.

It's sterile and I like the taste!

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I like your posts and very informative on things you've seen with geno and realist about his flaws (as opposed to others). I've seen much of the same that you've seen with his arm lacking velocity because of his footwork.

I'm curious your opinion on his mental aspect though? I know people say he's heavy into watching tape and making his game better, and that he's a true leader. I haven't watched much of geno except for K-State game, Pinstripe bowl. I want to know what your take is on his leadership skills and his mental makeup for the game? In the couple games i've watched against good defenses and being harassed he seemed to unravel on the field and on the sidelines. Also got reports of him being one of the most selfish players on the field. You think he'll impress? you think all these red flags popping up are smoke or you think there is warrant there?

You kind of beat me to the punch.

What I was going to say was this:

Yes, it's true. Most of the top QB prospects don't throw at the combine.

However, to me this year is VERY similar to the year Cam Newton went #1 overall.

People everywhere were talking and mocking Marcell Dareus and Bowers and Tyron Smith, etc.

That year Newton threw at the combine and people were all wondering why, you know, because the top guys never throw.

Worked out well for Newton, and even though his performance was so-so, he quickly solidified himself as the #1 overall pick.

Exactly.

After the Senior Bowl, I don't think he's really competing with Wilson, Glennon or any of the lesser prospects.

He's now competing with Joeckel, Jones, Werner, Moore, etc...

It's like having a puppy that won't do a trick in front of people. You know he can do it. You've seen it done and by God you know this is awesome. NOW WHY THE **** WON'T YOU JUST ROLL-OVER!!!! GODDAMMIT DOG, ROLL OVER!!!!

Go prove it, Geno. Because if you keep dodging challenges and as a consequence, can't prove your supremacy to the satisfaction of Reid and Dorsey and I have to see you slinging yogurt in Black and Silver, I will not blame Reid and Dorsey - I'm gonna blame you.

Geno better ****ing throw at the combine.

I try to steer clear of that stuff. I don't hear this kid in the huddle. I don't see him watch film.

I see that his teammates seem to enjoy playing with him. I know guys love to play for someone that will stand in the face of a rush, plant his foot and fire - something Geno's always willing to do. I saw him keep bringing his offense on the field and attack every time his defense failed and I heard him fall on grenades for them. I also saw him have a bit of a petulant bitch streak in the Pinstripe Bowl that I wasn't a fan of.

So in the end, if I try to say I know what he is as a leader, I'm kinda talking out my ass. But I do like to get as much information as I can get and if he doesn't throw at the combine, it suggests to me someone that's not quite as confident in himself as I'd like him to be.

sounds good. The kid definitely has all the talent, just a couple tweaks in his footwork. Only thing i've ever question'd about him was the mental aspect, but like you said it's hard to know any of whats fact and fiction. Thanks for your take on it though, appreciate it.

I agree he needs to throw at the combine though, not only needs to show his skillset but show his progress towards becoming a better QB for the league. If not then yes red flag for sure.

I wasn't arguing that at all just trying to understand his game. He doesn't have a rocket arm or and elite arm. He has a good arm with a quick release and great touch on his deep ball though and I'm all for picking him with the first pick in the draft.

Lol you specifically started out by saying you liked geno

He does have a rocket arm. He has poor footwork and very rarely sets his base before throwing, which leads to passes that don't look zippy.

When his feet are right, he absolutely does have an elite arm.

I saw that outburst in the Pinstripe Bowl too.

How would you feel if you had geared up for a team that you had never beaten and your coach decided to go into a shell and play to lose?

He had every right to be mad. He should have handled it better.

That outburst to me is something ALL kids do when they get frustrated. It will go away as he ages, probably without ANY coaching at all. It's just part of growing up.

This. He's got a plus arm as is but when he fixes that slight footwork issue I could see him being in the conversation having a top ten arm, if not top ten, certainly top half.

Yup. A brick is not a wall.

The outburst was just a brick. I'll give it it's due weight and continue looking at the rest of the package. I won't ignore it, nor will I claim it is dispositive of his worth as a leader.

There are a shitload more bricks forming his 'good' wall than his bad one...

One thing I've noticed is that he seems to be a little over taken with his touch, which is very good. He has great touch and anticipates throwing to different levels well, but he struggles at times, when he needs to rip it, instead throwing a touchy pass.


Could be footwork could be a mental thing, dunno yet. Does seem when his footwork is right, he has a plus arm. Its not Stafford, but really, who is? Dude could throw a tennis ball thru a brick wall.

I'd pay money to see a dodge ball game with Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, and Rodgers.

ugh God forbid

Against college kids.

Regarding Geno and throwing at the combine...

If he has fixed his base as much as Chris Weinke seems to think he has, he'll have GOOD motivation to throw at the combine. With better mechanics, his natural arm strength is going to show (And he'll go from being "adequate" to being "very good," which is a big difference), and that's going to help him jump his stock.

Can the person dodging be Scott Pioli? Please?

God, I'd love to have a picture of him getting beamed by Rodgers with a dodgeball hanging in my living room.

Glorious.

HAHAHAHAHAHA NAILED IT

You put those guys in a room together, you better remember one thing...

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....a good supply of body bags.

that's what they should replace the Pro Bowl with

I'd honestly replace Rodgers in that group with Kaepernick.

Rogers throws hard; Kaepernick has a damn rocket. If he doesn't have the strongest arm in the league, he's at least close.

Here's a compromise, instead of taking Rodgers off the team, how 'bout we add Kaepernick and RGIII to the game and put them on opposite teams.

Stafford
Flacco
RGIII

Vs.

Cutler
Rodgers
Kaepernick

Best of 11 series. I'd pay a hell of a lot more to watch that than I would to watch the pro bowl.

EDIT: Damn You Thig Lyfe!!!

LMAO

All 6 vs. 20 college students.

I totally forgot about Kaep. If he plays, somebody is going to die. ROFL

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It would kinda be like that.

i seem to remember a story that david klingler threw the ball so hard he split a WRs hand open in practice...

No, he's just a buffoon.

one time matt cassel threw the ball so hard it almost got close enough to a receiver for him to catch it

Yeah, Weinke is going to put his reputation on the line by pimping guys he truly thinks are subpar. You guys are just ridiculous sometimes.

Tyler Thigpen: Inaccurate 60 percent of the time, every time.

I once saw him throw a ball so hard, he hit the !@#$ing crossbar. It was incredible.

Why should I listen to Washout Weinke again?

Do QBs at the combine get to choose which WRs they throw it to? If so, Geno could just choose Austin and Bailey right?

Durr Harbaugh you no probowler I no listen to you. Jeez, you've slid into a vacated spot like a glove.

woman, I told you to wait in the truck.

OK, this one's pretty funny.

:popcorn:ROFL`

He's a feisty little bastard. Wonder how long it'll take till he's outed as a douche mult and banned ROFL

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Top guys don't throw at the combine. Sanchez and Cam were the only ones I can remember doing so.

1) they are throwing to guys hey have no chemistry with because they just met a day or two ago. Ig Geno expects the guy to have wheels and puts it out there and overthrows him, it is a mark AGINST him...if the receiver doesn't run a clean route and Geno s throwing to a spot he should be and isn't, that marks against him. Geno can go out there and throw 75 PERFECT passes and half of them can hit the ground because of the receiver and Geno looks bad because of it.

2) most top prospects know that if they make gms and scouts wait till their proday, more will come to watch and that gives the teammates extra exposure. Not only that, but he is then throwing to guys he knows and has chemistry with and knows how they run their routes. That let's him be confident in his throws and really let it rip.

There are other reasons top guys don't throw at the combine, but those are the major ones.

Saying he is a pussy if he opts not to throw at the combine isn't accurate.

Jmo

Actually, no it isn't. They throw to spots on the field. The scouts watching know where the ball is supposed to be. Hell, even Charles and Mayock know where the ball is supposed to be. Furthermore, there are times when the WR CATCHES it that it counts against the QB if the ball went somewhere it wasn't. The QB doesn't get credit for the WR being able to adjust.

Again, this just isn't true.

Yeah, you're off on that one Boss. The guy didn't go to the SR bowl, and it might work out for him. If he doesn't throw at the combine, he needs to really be questioned.

I don't necessarily agree with this, either.

If Geno thinks he can not do anything after the end of the regular season he had and still go 1, he's either way off, or we are being told alot of wrong things.

He will have a pro day. That's certainly not doing "nothing".

And I'd say at this point that it's MUCH more likely we're being told a lot of wrong things.

These guys and their agents don't generally just **** around when there's millions on the line...

Isn't this is a thread about the how he's doing at the IMG Academy? So he's clearly doing something.

I guess if thats what you want to believe, thats fine. But why is that more likely?


If he just decides to have a pro day, thats as close to doing nothing as he can get. IMO, shows he's a little afraid of pressure.

I think Geno shows confidence in himself by NOT opting to throw at the combine.

He puts all the pressure on himself at his proday to go out and knock it out of he park.

????:spock:

yeah but he's accurate 40 percent of the time which is almost more than 60

Are scouting departments now run by 12 yr old girls?

They're going to give Geno a hell of a lot better analysis than "Caught or missed". Are you telling me that Geno's guys wouldn't have given a script to the scouts or that Andy Reid won't be able to tell the difference between a bad throw and simple bad chemistry?

Gimme a break.

Again, I don't really care about history - I care about what this prospect is doing in this draft. If he doesn't throw, it's because he's worried he'll hurt his draft stock - period.

Given how much of a wildcard this draft class is, that bothers me and it doesn't matter to me how many QBs have chosen not to throw before him.

Or it shows that he understands his situation and is smart enough not to **** it up.

Quite frankly, we could do this all day. You could take any individual piece of info and spin it for or against.

We simply don't know what's going on.

But when it comes right down to it, these guys' agents aren't stupid. They make the bank for a reason. Gotta trust that he's doing it right.

If its that easy, then why don't the top guys ever do it?

Throwing only once in the most highly controlled environment possible and on terms that you set is showing confidence in himself?

Confidence is knowing that he can do it and knowing damn sure that he can repeat it.

You've now gone 'cult of Geno' twice in this thread alone. No, he doesn't have a top 10 NFL arm when his feel go wonky, that's just insanity. And no, refusing to throw at the combine is not because he's super-confident.

This is the kind of crap that makes it more difficult to defend sensible arguments.

I think the SR bowl thing was not neccesarily a bad decision. As a fan, I would rather him went, but by not going I think in some quasi way, he gained ground on the other QB's or was put farther ahead of them.

In a nothing negative= a positive.

I sometimes feel like you don't read much.

I've spoken to my reasons several times and so far the best response you or anyone else seems inclined to give is "well other guys don't do it" as though that's some sort of substantive retort.

I. do. not. give. a. shit. if. past. quarterbacks. haven't. thrown.

I've now said it 4 times, is it clear enough yet? Past quarterbacks weren't coming on the heels of the Luck/RGIII draft and having to prove their mettle in a fairly bunched QB class (that is regarded as a QB poor draft as it is).

Geno is facing a set of circumstances that are relatively unique this year and he's going to do nothing more than a single pro day to not only separate himself from his QB peers, but guys like Joeckel, Moore, etc...; that's a massive error in judgment.

everyone complains they want a qb that has the "IT" factor.. I agree i want a qb that has the IT factor and is not afraid to throw the ball no matter who he's throwing too. The guy that has the IT factor is going to go out there and throw the ****ing ball to prove he's the man. Don't care about other top QB's not throwing it. Those were different years and we weren't in position to take those guys, or we just plain passed on taking them. If geno is the guy that everyone says he is and has the IT factor i want him to prove it.

Definitely. About the only thing worth listening to in this interview were the mild criticisms. And we can assume that he was pulling punches there too.

Blaming Geno for what he is or isn't doing is a bit off-base I think. He's not making any decisions in a bubble, and I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with his level of confidence. He's paying people to advise him on what to do, so when he doesn't go to the Senior Bowl, or does/doesn't throw at the combine, it's because somebody who does this kind of thing for a living is telling him it's the right thing to do.

What sort of child-like thinking is this? Awful analysis. Whether he throws at the combine has nothing to do with his "IT" factor. Geno has three years of starting game tape you can go watch. He doesn't need to throw in shorts at the combine to prove anything.

Yeah, but is it REALLY? I don't think so. I just think that LAST year was a freak occurrence so it makes THIS year seem like a 'weak' QB class. I think Geno would be the 3rd QB taken last year without a doubt, and I'd bet Wilson would go before Tannehill too, maybe-or at least damned close.

I don't think it's child like at all. I think it's fair that me and others i'm sure want our future QB to walk out wherever it is and take control and sling the ball. I think the whole "he can't help himself only hurt himself" is BS. I want any potential pick to go out there and ****ing prove it with the most damn confidence i've ever seen. I know thats what i would do. I don't care if your a QB, LT, LB, CB you go out there and you ****ing prove it with a chip on your shoulder. You don't sit back and play a prissy girl cause you might hurt your draft stock. I want to see the improved footwork, his release, and how quick he can adjust and throw to NFL receivers running NFL routes. EVERY other top prospect at there position will be there doing their drills unless injured. The QB shouldn't be an excuse

Lots of players will opt out of lots of events. Andrew Luck, RGIII and Ryan Tannehill didn't didn't throw at the combine, just last year for example. However, I think Geno will throw at the combine. Two of IMG academy clients did last year - Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins.

Good i hope he does throw. I'm not on the geno wagon like i've said before but if he is even in play for the pick then i want to see everything he has. And if he is the pick i'm behind him 100%. Just for record though i'm not on the LT train either though.

Ya i know most top prospects don't throw but i think it's stupid, go out there and show what you got. I don't think it goes against you at all unless you have some flaws in your footwork/motion/arm strength. Don't think scouts or teams care if you don't place the ball perfect on a WR you met 10 minutes before. I just want to see his improvements and his throws/velocity to nfl caliber recievers running NFL route tree.

He threw every route in the route tree in the Baylor game about three times over, IIRC. I don't see what him throwing in shorts is going to prove.

Now now, no need to muddy up this discussion with facts.

again i want to see what he's been working on. I'm sure he has done the route tree but i want to see it with improved footwork and velocity

he has 3 years of tape showing him throwing to many targets against varying competition...but you think he should go out in shorts to "prove he can still do it and that its repeatable."

Sorry, I disagree and professional agents disagree, as well.

took the words out of my mouth.

so did you.