I think that would apply to 1st and 2nd rounders, sure...but not 3rd's....especially when you have two to spare.

We could have Geno Smith and Nick Foles and STILL have a full slate of picks 2-7.

I agree, but not all at once.

Sure, grab one this year and dedicate another good pick to the position in 2014. But I'm not going to go balls to the walls this season. You don't need to stock your entire QB roster in one off-season, especially if you're looking to build a 'pipeline'.

We're just trying to do too much in one bite. I think this is the year that you get your QBOTF and find a competent veteran to either transition into the kid or just as veteran backup. Next year you keep your eyes open for another value QB in the 2nd or 3rd round and as the years go you continue to try to bring guys in and create depth at the position.

But it's not like the Packers were throwing picks at QB once Rodgers stuck. When you have a great young QB, take another QB if he slides, but it's a little nutty to continue to force the issue at the position.

If he's a backup its a next years 3. If Geno can;t beat him out and he wins a playoff game it becomes a 2. Not going to happen.

Didn't the Skins give up a 3rd for a QB right after taking RGIII?

The Lambs traded for TrINT but ended up with Warner.

We planned on Girlbac but ended up with Gannon. Or at least should have.

You might plan on one thing but you want as many options as possible at that position...

ROFL

Every time I try to find a silver lining it gets squashed.

OK, **** Nick Foles. INDEFENSIBLE.

This.

As much as I want Geno Smith, I just don't think it's going to happen.
If Foles is the QB in KC next year, I will give him a chance. (although If they spend a 3rd round pick or higher then I will be pissed.)

If Alex Smith or Matt Cassel is on this roster, I will not give a minor amount of crap about this franchise until they are ousted.

A guy starts 6 games in the NFL and is already considered damaged goods and a retread...

Nice.

I'd be entirely happy with this if we give them our Comp 3rd or later for him. I'd feel a bit uneasy about 3.1, and I'd be queasy if we gave them 2.2.

Watch the Chief's pass on Foles, only to have him become twice the QB Geno ever is. You'd see some REAL fires in Kansas city.

Can't trade a comp pick.

I would only push that this season because we have absolutely nothing at the position. Ca$$hole is total $3it. Stanzi is total $#it. And we have a practice squad guy.

I think we need to add 2 guys minimum.

It'd have to be 3.1. You can't trade comp picks. And no way in hell i'd give up 2.2.

Also....we're assuming it's a 3rd.

What if it's a 4th? Does that change things?

Cousins went in the 4th.

I think we've all seen the ceiling for Smith and Ca$$hole.

While I'm not a huge fan at least Foles wouldn't have maxed out his potential already. There's some reason to hope...

I stand corrected.

I already mentioned that the Seahawks and Skins might be the start of a new trend.

The Rams traded for Green and then he got his knee demolished. They were left with no choice but to start Warner and then he went and won the Super Bowl. Not at all analogous.

Much like the Green/Warner situation, Grbac would have started all 16 games in 1997 had he not gotten hurt.

Oh yeah, I'd give 4.2 for him. At that point you're getting a kid that's at least played at this level and are installing him in an offense he's familiar with. By the 4th you're mostly looking at raw prospects and flyer players anyway.

And as you've noted, the comp pick is essentially 4.2 anyway. So yeah, I think a 4th for Foles is a no-brainer.

But the Eagles won't do it, IMO.

Absolutely. I'd give a 4th for Foles today.

I don't think they'll trade him for a 3rd either, at least not yet.

I fully expect him to be playing for the Eagles next year.

This is my whole argument: you don't just add one guy and think the position is covered. You keep adding and improving the overall talent.

You never know when the starter will go down and almost every year some b/u steps in and never gives that job back. Or you get lucky like the Texans and he does just enough to get you in the playoffs.

When Matty $3it the bed we had nothing behind him. Not even respectable...

D'oh. My bad. In that case: 4.2, sign me up. 3.1, meh.

I can understand the Eagles wanting a 2 but if some guy from the top 5 QB's falls to round 2 why would anyone make the trade?...

Yeah, you absolutely have to have a backup.

To this point though, most teams don't want to give up "starter" draft picks to get a backup.

I don't think the Eagles even want to trade him. It's pure media speculation.

I don't either.

But when Stanzi just doesn't develop you cut bait and look for an upgrade. Mid rounds of the draft. Cheap FA addition.

I loved adding Brady Quinn when we did it. Very low risk, 1 year deal, possible huge upside. Now, it didn't work out, but those are the moves you make to keep trying to improve the position...

This town needs an enema.

Very Interesting email BJ received from an Eagles fan:

But he sucks.

I read charts and saw GIFS on CP that say so...

"A few numbers (provided by Reuben Frank of csnphilly.com and Les Bowen of philly.com). Nick Foles is the ONLY rookie QB in NFL HISTORY to throw for more than 240 yards/game AND complete over 60% of his passes. Only one EVER! For people who say they saw him throw interceptions, he ranks 2nd ALL TIME in fewest interceptions per pass attempt for an NFL rookie. EVER!"



to be fair, the NFL has changed so much and Reid is so pass happy, this doesn't really say a whole lot.

In a perfect world...We swap first round picks with the Eagles and give them a late 3rd rounder for Foles. As long as we can continue to throw the smoke screen that Geno isnt worthy of a first pick. We scoop Geno 4th overall. I'm just worried the Raiders take him at 3.

We go to camp with Foles and Geno.

theres only one giant loophole with all of this

you swap firsts with Philly and give Philly the #1 overall pick then Chip Kelly drafts Geno

lol, that's pretty obvious.

Like I said, In a perfect world.

Those stats are WAY skewed. The sample size is infinitely too small.

2 games - Washington and Tampa (horrible pass defenses) - accounted for HALF of his total yardage.

He had 2 games where he threw for less than 200 yards and another where he threw for 204.

Terrible, terrible use of statistics.

its going to be really funny watching everyone who is ballwashing Geno turn to hating him once he becomes a Raider

I'm not willing to give up Geno for Foles. No way in hell. But if Reid & Co. aren't going to draft Geno at #1, I'd rather take my chances with this move.

He doesn't suck.

But those stats are completely screwed.

Yes, I agree. Those numbers are very inflated.

Not funny.

as much as I, the fan, wants Geno Smith I just dont think they, the FO and coach think the same.

that is my biggest fear and I need to come to terms with it when and if they select something else

I'm not following you, how is that funny at all?

And again - we don't have a late 3rd rounder to trade.

In a perfect world, the Packers send us Rodgers for a 7th as a favor. Let's talk about the actual world.

I have not called /Omaha just yet.

I'd give up THE 3rd round pick and swap 1st rounders for Foles, as long as the FO is sure Geno will be at 4. (In a perfect world)

That's WAY to much to give up for Foles.

We'll select Warmack at 1, trade the second for foles and then pick defensive ends for the rest of the draft.

We are going to end up with an extra 3rd or 4th round pick for Carr.

So? That doesn't mean you have to overpay.

And again I have to ask why? Why would you give up what is essentially a 2nd round pick for a guy you're burying behind someone you're investing a 1st rounder on?

That's a really damn expensive insurance plan.

That's just too much to give up for Foles. I'd possibly swap firsts or definitely give up 4.1 and that's about it; I damn sure wouldn't do both. If that's too rich for the Eagles, so be it. It's not like Nick Foles or someone like him isn't available in every draft.

I dont see how thats overpaying. IF. A BIG ****ING IF we can trade first round picks with the Eagles and "possibly" still get Geno, and give them a 3rd round pick we technically dont have...

This.

Why give them the 3rd rounder at all?

Swap firsts and they give us Foles. Done.

Sure, I'd love that. I just don't see the Eagles handing it to us that easy. They will want an extra pick. Whether it be this year or next.

Somebody send me some damn Casino cash. Blackjack cleared me out

I wouldn't even swap firsts. That's too much. Maybe swap firsts and take one of their mid-round picks.

No trade for you!

If Foles stays in Philly, He takes Vicks job. IMO

Man...sucks to be them.

I guess we'll have to make due with Geno Smith and after the Jags take Joeckel, they can go draft Eric Fisher. And that's if the Raiders don't grab him (or trade down). What the hell are the Eagles going to do then? Werner and Lotulelei don't really have homes in that D.

I'm not going to bend to the will of the Philadelphia Eagles for Nick !@#$ing Foles. We have plenty of leverage in this scenario if they're really wanting to move up.

I don't think the Jags take Joeckel, but point made.

Foles will be better than Geno. And 0 chance the Jags take Joeckel.

No, they won't take Joeckel. They need a guy to fit in their 34, 43 LEO defense right?

It could go two ways. Either they think Andre Branch will have a much improved sophomore year and can play LEO with Babin, and go for a guy like Lotulelei. Or they draft a guy to be a LEO/OLB like Jordan/Mingo/Ansah.

Our LT is 3 years younger than Albert and still under contract. Even less of a chance of us taking Joeckel than the Chiefs.

AIDS, get them.

If they don't then I definitely expect someone to trade up into the Raiders spot to grab him.

I'll admit not knowing about the Jags O-Line, but I thought they had a massive hole at LT after that Barnes went to Oakland.

Ah, nevermind - I forgot they had Eugene Monroe. Yeah, they probably won't go Joeckel. I still don't care about the Eagles asking price. I'll bargain on my terms or not at all for a 4th round pick that has 6 starts under his belt and looked largely mediocre.

...And with the 8th pick in the 2009 draft, the Jaguars select, Eugene Monroe, University of Virginia.

I mean if they both start next year. Not necessarily for their careers. Foles is more ready to start.

It isn't Vick's job, according to Chip Kelly.

It's an "open competition".

And to that extent, I agree with you - I don't see Foles losing that competition. Vick is broken.

I've mentioned this before but going by the draft chart, moving from #4 to #1 is worth 1200 points, the same value as the #11 pick in the 1st round. No way is Foles worth a mid 1st round pick, so a simple swap is out of the question.

The Eagles' 2nd round pick is 540 points, so swapping 1sts and taking the Eagles' 2nd would give Foles the value of a late 1st, early 2nd. Still too high, imo, but more do-able.

If they wanted Foles, I would maybe do something like swap 1sts, take their 2nd and 4th this year and give them back a conditional 3rd next year.

Max.

of course, this is all dependent on the Eagles totally falling in love with someone at the top of the draft AND being willing to deal Foles.

The easiest thing is to just draft Geno at #1 (though that extra 2nd would be nice).

If it were me, I'd much rather go with Jordan/Mingo/ or Ansah. I don't think Star is what he's built to be.


Still not sure why you refer to your defense like that. But, to each his own I guess.

And IIRC, Frank said he had heard that all the Foles talk was pretty overblown.

Refer to our defense like what? And I personally think they will try to trade down and get Ansah. I am convinced he will dominate at the combine.

Yep. Pretty much nothing on Foles coming from his sources. Which means it's largely media generated unless the Chiefs are completely locked down.

Some Eagles fans don't think Foles is worth much.

http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com...-of-4th-round/

Foles for Jalil Brown? Deal.

No shit. I don't know if Jalil can get you a 7th.

WOOOOO

http://oi47.tinypic.com/4hyzhx.jpg

Damn it this would just feel like we're doing what we've always done in regards to the Qb spot. ****, I feel dirty for even rationalizing it.

#ordered

The case against Nick Foles:

It's the "Chiefway"

This.

I know. Like I said in the other thread, I died inside when I read that article and found some sense in it.

In the end, though - I didn't like Foles last year and I saw a very similar player in Philly. I just don't like the idea of passing on Geno for him.

Now if Clowney enters, I'll give the Eagles 3.1, take Clowny at 1.1 and call it a day, but I think it's pretty obvious that's not going to happen at this point.

Hypothetical.

Chiefs pass on Geno in the first.
Would that change your opinion on the compensation you'd give for Foles?