Top 10 sounds good until you realize there are only 32 teams in the league.

PFF rated Branden Albert as the 14th best LT overall last season, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and call him 10th.

But regardless of that, if you replace a Top 10 guy on the left with a Top 5 guy and then replace a lesser player on the right side with that Top 10 LT, you've certainly improved the team. Whether you've missed out on a way to make an even bigger improvement by doing something else is the question to ask.

Who is that top 5 guy you're replacing him with?

Did the offense succeed last year or not? I don't want to hear excuses. It's a yes or no question.

It's a hypothetical. It helps illustrate how moving a successful LT to the right side can improve your team under the right circumstances.

ROFL

This isn't DC, dipshit.

Good grief. Case in point as to why the fans in this town will never get it.

This appears to be a place where you can't answer the question.

ROFL

You can't even correctly FRAME the question.

Of course you want to make it a yes/no answer. By limiting the scope of the conversation, you limit other's ability to make you look like the complete ****ing moron you are.

EVERYBODY, outside of your dumb sheep ass, can see what was wrong with the Chiefs the last 4 years.

EVERYBODY.

Get your head out of your ass. I'm not interested in stupid semantic arguments with you.

Reading Patt's football takes are like chewing on a piece of foil-covered skim-cheese.
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This is a team sport and if the Chiefs can improve the OL by moving Albert...move f'ing Albert. Some of you are as spineless as Albert. Albert has been a fine LT, but he hasn't been great IMO. If you disagree...fine. I've seen other LTs who were significantly better. If Albert doesn't want to play where he's asked to play, trade him. The inmates don't run the asylum.

OK, so who is available that is significantly better?

JOKER HERP-DERP!
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That's strange. You seemed interested in a stupid semantic argument in post 77.

I'll bet you can't name 8 LTs better than Albert. You're one of the idiots who will defend every moronic move this team makes.

No.

Never.

If you are successful at LT you don't draft another LT.

If you are successful at LT you don't get asked to move to RT.

Patteau, you are embarrassing yourself, quit while you are behind.

That would be the worst usage of a first overall pick in the history of not only the NFL, but quite possibly all of pro sports.

Oh, and Brandon is back on FB after an extended absence.

Here are the guys PFF rated higher than Branden Albert last year. Two of them were guys who played LT over Albert at UVA.

Joe Staley
Duane Brown
Michael Roos
Ryan Clady
Joe Thomas
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Andrew Whitworth
William Beatty
Jared Veldheer
Russell Okung
Eugene Monroe
Nate Solder
Trent Williams

Thanks for your concern.

So do we take out all the guys who missed time or just the amount of time Albert missed?

We need to leave Albert where he's at and go sign Gosder Cherilus to play RT.

I'm not sure I understand your question, but Albert missed more time than any of those guys last year. I'm not sure he deserves extra credit for being unavailable, but to avoid that argument I gave Albert credit for a 16 game season anyway and adjusted his rating accordingly. If I had ignored the injuries, Jordan Gross, Matt Kalil, and Donald Penn would have rated higher than him too.

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Bingo. I don't care if they overpay both he and Albert. That would be a damn good set of bookends for the next 5 years.

It's too bad that Alex Cassel will make them look bad.

Reid is bringing in his guy much like Vermeil brought in Green (and the plan worked) and Pioli brought in Cassel (plan didn't work). Part of the reason Green worked was because Vermeil quickly built a great OL. A part of the reason Cassel didn't work was because the OL wasn't anything special, or bad in certain circumstances. (Yes, Cassel was the largest problem, revolving OC's, lack of WR, etc., but RT and getting stuffed up the middle was also a contributing factor.)

It makes sense to me that Reid want's to build up the OL as quickly as possible. Even if that means using the 1.1 and having him play RT for a year or moving Albert around.

Trent Green worked out because he had an extensive history in the offense Vermiel was installing and he had personal experiences coaching Trent and knew he would fit what he wanted to do on offense.

Andy hasn't ever had Alex Smith on his team and Alex will be learning another new offense.

And because the Chiefs moved a middle of the road LT to the right side and replaced him with a top tier LT. Trent Green was horrible in year 1.

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I'm not sure what you are arguing. Are you saying the OL didn't help Green and the offense? Are you saying that Smith wouldn't benefit from having a very good OL as he makes a transition into another offense?

The tougher competition came late. Give the guy 4 sacks and I'd bet he's still top 10...

LMAO

This...

If all the talk about Joekel is true then I think Dorsey and Andy Reid want him to be RTotf and leave Brandon Albert at LT. They can address long term with him during the season. If they can't work anything out long term with Brandon by end of season then they have their LTotf and can focus on another RT via FA or draft.


I think it's dumb to draft a RT with 1.1 but we are the Chiefs.

Has it been stated that Albert will be moved to right tackle, or are people making assumptions? There have been a few examples recently of high-ranked rookies starting out on the right and moving to the left later if I remember right. I see no reason why we wouldn't do that with Geno Smith when we draft him. Or whoever.

Or is the assumption that Donald Stephenson/Russell Wilson will play left?

It hasn't been stated. In fact, the last I heard, the Chiefs were saying that they consider Branden Albert their long term LT.

Your scenario makes more sense if they can't work out a deal with Albert and they decide to draft OT at 1.1.

:clap: I would just like to add one comment. It doesn't matter what we think about how Albert has played LT. It is up to AR/JD. If "they" think it will upgrade the line by moving Albert then he gets moved. Period.

Thanks for the amazing insight. Are you seriously putting forth the idea that Reid isn't taking his cues from an internet message board? That's unbelievable!

WTF are you talking about. I'm saying that all this discussion is just that....discussion. We have entrusted AR to field the best team that he can. If that means moving a whiny ass LT to RT then so be it. He will play where he's told to play or get traded.

I suspect if he get's moved then some on here will raise hell until the offense starts to show significant improvement. Irregardless, the players don't dictate where they are going to play.

Hey Adolph; stfu
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Nice addition to the conversation.

Haha. Nice delivery.

Again, thanks for the valuable information. It's earth-shattering news, truly.

I don't have PFF, but I would be willing to bet that Albert was the 14th LT because he saw limited snaps compared to others due to his injury. Also, he is a better pass-blocker than run-blocker which will help in Andy Reid's offense. Also, Matt Cassel sucks BALLSACK. Matt Cassel routinely takes 45 sacks a year and Albert gave up what, one sack and one pressure this year?

You'd lose that bet. PFF's raw season-long ranking has him as the 17th best overall LT. If you adjust the overall score to a per game basis, Albert moves up to 14th.

I agree with the pass blocking point. FWIW, PFF has him as the 5th best pass blocking LT (9th best if you don't use the per game adjustment).

This.

Has anything good ever come of a sports figure using the forum?

Someone will eventually conduct a study showing how much average money a player loses by using Facebook and Twitter over the course of his career.

I still can't believe how many idiots think this team needs another LT.

They need a LT with a long term deal.

Albert on Instagram

http://i.imgur.com/9E8Ahvx.jpg

He's a top 10 pass blocker at his position.

You don't replace those guys with 1.1 in the prime of their careers.

Period.

He's at Arrowhead? :hmmm:

http://i.imgur.com/f6EJFY7.jpg

Wtf Jason? LMAO

On my phone I can't see the pictures. If I quote the post I can then click on it and see it. I can do it if someone else quotes it too.

I just didn't delete my posts like I usually do lol
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Oh yeah. I do that too.

I usually click on the post # and it opens a new window and shows the pic.

Wouldn't it be sweet if they got a deal done! There have been a few LTs re-signed this offseason...his "fair market value" shouldn't be that hard to figure out at this point.

Prob at the royals game.

I wondered about salary cap when I saw the post about the LB being signed. I was under the impression Chiefs were pretty tapped out pre-draft at this point.

Figured it meant Albert was going bye-bye or they had a long term deal to lower his cap number.

Hopefully the Chiefs and Albert have come together.

weird my phone doesn't show post numbers either
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Show up and an play football

Sign that deal!
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The salary cap room is based on the highest 51 contracts we have...camp fodder signings don't effect that number.

Nice thought, though.

Per PFT

Chiefs willing to trade Branden Albert for a high second-round pick

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 15, 2013, 8:43 AM EDT

AP
A month ago, the word out of Kansas City was that if the Chiefs were going to trade left tackle Branden Albert, they’d want more than just a second-round draft pick. But the Chiefs may be softening their stance on that.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated is hearing that the Chiefs would take a high second-round pick for Albert. So far, however, Kansas City has found no takers.

The Chiefs gave up their own high second-round pick to acquire quarterback Alex Smith, and they’d like to get a second-round pick back. The question, however, is whether any team would be willing to give up a second-round pick for Albert. This year Albert is guaranteed a base salary of $9.828 million, and he is looking for significant money on a long-term contract. So any team that acquires Albert for a second-round pick would have to spend a lot more money on (and devote a lot more cap space to) Albert than the second-round pick would cost.

The Chiefs are widely expected to draft a left tackle, either Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M or Eric Fisher of Central Michigan, with the first overall pick in next week’s draft.

He's good as gone.


Oh well, save some money and perhaps get a better player

:facepalm:

They are determined to replace him with someone who is not any better than him if it means recouping the pick they blew on Alex Smith.

Why are we so sure fisher or joeckel won't be better? Maybe yet don't like Albert at lt in a pass happy offense.

So that is PFT quoting Peter King, and Peter King's article that this is taken from isn't really concrete. "I'm hearing..."

He's a Pioli fanboy, too, so I trust nothing he says.

It appears its more about getting a LT for cheaper. It doesnt appear the Chiefs or anyone else wants to pay Albert 9 mil per.

King might be a dipshit, but he has really solid sources in the nfl

Perhaps this is the point they're hoping to get across to him.

Wasted? I'll bet Alex Smith has more impact, in a good way, than whoever gets taken at that spot. And definitely any QB available there.

Besides, it doesn't sound like there will be any takers for Albert.

Exactly...They were so eager to create a market and over pay for Alex Smith, but now they certainly seem to be having some sort of buyers remorse or lack of confidence in their paying price.

I think it's more to do with what they think Albert is worth. The fact they gave up a second for Smith, and are asking for a second for Albert have nothing to do with each other. I think they'd ask for a second for Albert even if they got Smith for a fourth.

Completely agree with this. Truth? We don't know. Albert is a serviceable if not good Left Tackle. He isn't upper echelon in my opinion. We know what Albert is and isn't. Sometimes that is more comfortable. However, it doesn't make it right.

FWIW, the last thing I want is a Left Tackle at #1. However, we can't pretend to know what these draftees will become.
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SI's Peter King "hears" the Chiefs are willing to accept a "high second-round pick" for disgruntled LT Branden Albert.
The Chiefs had been seeking both a second-rounder and a late-round selection, but no one's bitten. Albert is a prime candidate to be traded before or during the draft, but a deal may not end up going down until the festivities in New York are over, and teams have a clearer idea of their needs. Albert hasn't been directly connected to any one team since going on the block.

Its not about whos better or worse. Its about how much money the Chiefs are willing to commit to the LT position.

Why are we so sure Fisher or Joeckel won't be worse?

There's a VERY good possibility that they will never play to the ability of Branden Albert. Albert's very good.

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...And the same possibility exists that Joeckel or Fisher become All-Pro.

Look I'm not saying they will. I'm just not as quick to dismiss the fact that it's absolutely possible.
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