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Messier 03-29-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538603)
All of these teams that are lauded for picking up backup quarterbacks are also among the five worst franchises of the last decade.

Coincidence?

Who else picked up a backup? The Raiders with Flynn, Az with Stanton. Who else?

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9538613)
Who else picked up a backup? The Raiders with Flynn, Az with Stanton. Who else?

:spock:

Deberg_1990 03-29-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538603)
All of these teams that are lauded for picking up backup quarterbacks are also among the five worst franchises of the last decade.

Coincidence?

True... But do you really believe this Chiefs regime would have chosen A. Smith over Luck or RGIII?

The Chiefs are victims of bad timing this year....

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9538616)
True... But do you really believe this Chiefs regime would have chosen A. Smith over Luck or RGIII?

The Chiefs are victims of bad timing this year....

That's bullshit and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing it.

Messier 03-29-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538615)
:spock:

Smith isn't a backup.

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9538550)
Yes, if Alex Smith is worth a ****ing shit, he should have a better season than Flynn, a guy that's started exactly ONE GAME in the NFL and has no receivers, tight ends and running backs of note in Oakland.

With or without Flynn, the Raiders are destined to completely suck in 2013.

Getting our assessed whipped by them is starting to puss me off

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538618)
That's bullshit and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing it.

Truth hurts

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538620)
Getting our assessed whipped by them is starting to puss me off

Whoa there, Cowboy.

I hate to see anyone "Pussed Off".

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9538616)
True... But do you really believe this Chiefs regime would have chosen A. Smith over Luck or RGIII?

The Chiefs are victims of bad timing this year....

Some decisions are so obvious that even the dumbest of ****s can't mess them up.

Yeah, Kate Upton walked through the door last year. Stop expecting every woman to look like that.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:23 PM

I have to agree, it is fun sweeping the Cheaps LMAO

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538618)
That's bullshit and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing it.

Yep.

Trouble is the quarterback class this year is being nitpicked to death due to the success last year. Not to mention they have 4 years of starting tape on all the big guys. Its wacky season on normal top qb prospects that this year has.

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538618)
That's bullshit and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing it.

When Top Three teams are foregoing the draft in favor of trading for a starting QB, it's a bad year for QB's.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9538613)
Who else picked up a backup? The Raiders with Flynn, Az with Stanton. Who else?

http://creepandpeep.net/gallery/d/23...f_reaction.gif

RunKC 03-29-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538623)
Some decisions are so obvious that even the dumbest of ****s can't mess them up.

Yeah, Kate Upton walked through the door last year. Stop expecting every woman to look like that.

The type of woman this year is Sarah Jessica Parker. And people want her simply because she's popular.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:25 PM

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 34s

The Seahawks and Raiders have in fact agreed to draft-pick compensation on a tentative trade to send Matt Flynn to Oakland. Deal's close.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9538638)
The type of woman this year is Sarah Jessica Parker. And people want her simply because she's popular.

LMAO

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9538636)
When Top Three teams are foregoing the draft in favor of trading for a starting QB, it's a bad year for QB's.

Or it's the simple fact that the GMs don't want to go through the growing pains of starting a rookie QB.

I hope we get to hear that no QB from here on out is like Luck or RGIII. Because if not....then the experts are ****ing reeruns.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9538638)
The type of woman this year is Sarah Jessica Parker. And people want her simply because she's popular.

Says the guy with the Kathy Bates avatar.

Deberg_1990 03-29-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538623)
Stop expecting every woman to look like that.

IM not. Havent we always said around here: Dont reach for need. BPA

HemiEd 03-29-2013 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9538419)
It's unbelievable just how hard Seattle nailed their QB solution last year. Franchise QB who is arguably in league with (or better than) Andrew Luck in the 3rd round, free agent guy they picked up turned into a trade.

What an unstoppable team they could be. That's a scary-looking dynasty if I ever saw one.

All because they know the QB position is so important, and are committed to QB excellence, what a concept.

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2013 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9538636)
When Top Three teams are foregoing the draft in favor of trading for a starting QB, it's a bad year for QB's.

Well its the Chiefs and Raiders. Two of the dumbest franchises in the NFL the past decade.

Messier 03-29-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538637)

Alex Smith is and was a starting QB who sat for half a season.

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9538653)
Well its the Chiefs and Raiders. Two of the dumbest franchises in the NFL the past decade.

And the cardinals with Palmer now



All just awesome

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9538653)
Well its the Chiefs and Raiders. Two of the dumbest franchises in the NFL the past decade.

And about 90% of the scouts

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538644)
Or it's the simple fact that the GMs don't want to go through the growing pains of starting a rookie QB.

I hope we get to hear that no QB from here on out is like Luck or RGIII. Because if not....then the experts are ****ing reeruns.

Well, the Raiders are in a similar position to the Chiefs in terms of fan interest, so you may have a point. They rarely sell out these days and interest in the Raiders is probably at an all-time low.

Personally, I think it's a bad move for them, but whatever. They gave up too much for Palmer and now have to release him, then just gave up a pick for a guy that's started one game in his six year career.

Unlike the Chiefs, that team has holes every where on their roster and they'll most likely be in the Top Three again next year, if not #1 overall.

It would be hilarious if Prior, a former third rounder, beats out Flynn.

LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9538651)
IM not. Havent we always said around here: Dont reach for need? BPA

I'm not impugning you specifically, but the tenor of the "There's no Luck or RGIII therefore class sucks" crowd.

My apologies for a lack of clarity.

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538660)
And about 90% of the scouts

90 % of the scouts think its better to shit draft picks down the toilet in lieu of drafting a Qb?

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9538653)
Well its the Chiefs and Raiders. Two of the dumbest franchises in the NFL the past decade.

We do have a couple of dumb ****ing teams LMAO and we argue over which one is the least ****ed up :D

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538666)
90 % of the scouts think its better to shit draft picks down the toilet in lieu of drafting a Qb?

No that say no QB is worth a top ten pick this year.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:33 PM

I love it that people are saying that these teams are "passing" on Geno Smith because they're trading for other QBs. Or they see Geno as having a correctable flaw but would rather sit him for a year behind a veteran QB who can win them games.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538673)
No that say no QB is worth a top ten pick this year.

Link....from actual scouts.....or shut the **** up.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538674)
I love it that people are saying that these teams are "passing" on Geno Smith because they're trading for other QBs. Or they see Geno as having a correctable flaw but would rather sit him for a year behind a veteran QB who can win them games.

**** GENO

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9538656)
Alex Smith is and was a starting QB who sat for half a season.

And when you sit behind someone in sports, what are you normally called?

And this has happened to Smith how many times now?

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9538632)
I have to agree, it is fun sweeping the Cheaps LMAO

Not gona happen this year. We'll sweep Oakland easily.

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538673)
No that say no QB is worth a top ten pick this year.

I thought Geno was mocked in the top 10 in most of the latest drafts? No?

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9538679)
Not gona happen this year. We'll sweep Oakland easily.

uMMMKAY

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538676)
Link....from actual scouts.....or shut the **** up.

Don't have a link just watch come April 25. The Geno butthurt is strong

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538683)
Don't have a link just watch come April 25. The Geno butt hurt is strong

Yeah....no link....exactly what I thought. Shut the **** up.

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538684)
Yeah....no link....exactly what I thought. Shut the **** up.

Twitter hasn't produced one yet.

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:36 PM

This doesnt mean teams dont want Geno. They just want a vet QB to start and groom Geno. Could be what KC is thinking ya never know. They havent traded Albert yet and those trade winds have died down lately

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:36 PM

Here....let me throw around some stats.


76.7% of CP members think ChiefsandO'sfan sucks dick. 25.3% think that he takes it up the ass.

What? You want proof of that? Just wait until April 25th, man.

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9538681)
uMMMKAY

The one thing we agree on...Go Tar Heels!:D

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538684)
Yeah....no link....exactly what I thought. Shut the **** up.

Most people that cover the NFL for a living think this class of QB suck. Try and keep up.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9538690)
The one thing we agree on...Go Tar Heels!:D

Heels will be back next year

Beeker 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora17m
If the Flynn to Oakland trade gets completed, as expected, look for Seattle to consider Tyler Thigpen as a back-up to Russell Wilson

suds79 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

If after all this you're not taken back just a pinch about this year's QB class in how the top teams are trying to trade for QBs rather than just drafting one, then I don't think you're being objective.

I've was a Geno guy sometime back but then it became clear the Chiefs are not going that direction. So I moved on.

Certainly scouts & GM see something a lot of people on this board do not. I don't know what it is but that's the situation.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

You're basically a Twitter app for CP.

Deberg_1990 03-29-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9538665)
I'm not impugning you specifically, but the tenor of the "There's no Luck or RGIII therefore class sucks" crowd.

My apologies for a lack of clarity.

ah..ok...got ya.


I dont think it sucks....but its weak yes. Maybe these guys think they can trade Albert, and get a QB in the 2nd to 4th rounds? I have no idea.....

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9538656)
Alex Smith is and was a starting QB who sat for half a season.

Lol would you rather call him a former starter? A guy who started 2 full seasons out of like 7? A guy who could be a starter if there wasn't a more macho guy who became starter after one game of play versus YEARS? Clipboard starter?

Lol dude was a backup when we traded for him. Period.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538696)
You're basically a Twitter app for CP.

And i care what you think of me?

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538691)
Most people that cover the NFL for a living think this class of QB suck. Try and keep up.



"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:39 PM

Why do people keep bashing ChiefsandO'sfan? Cuz he's anti geno?

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538680)
I thought Geno was mocked in the top 10 in most of the latest drafts? No?

Mocks don't mean shit.

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9538703)
"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

Jesus Mel Kiper needs a ****ing lock box put on his mouth

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9538706)
Why do people keep bashing ChiefsandO'sfan? Cuz he's anti geno?

Because he's a douchebag.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9538708)
Jesus Mel Kiper needs a ****ing lock box put on his mouth


Worst quote ever

Sassy Squatch 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

Jesus R8ers. Feeling masochistic today?

Mother****erJones 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538709)
Because he's a douchebag.

How?

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538709)
Because he's a douchebag.

That hurts man it really does you got me good over the internet.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9538712)
Jesus R8ers. Feeling masochistic today?

I am over that now

Ming the Merciless 03-29-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9538707)
Mocks don't mean shit.

So you are saying that Geno wont go in the top 10 in spite of the fact most mocks say he will?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-29-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9538703)
"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

They are paid shrills for the teams, I'm beginning to think.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538718)
So you are saying that Geno wont go in the top 10 in spite of the fact most mocks say he will?

Geno will go in the top 10 cause some team will reach and get burned.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9538714)
That hurts man it really does you got me good over the internet.

Good.

R8RFAN 03-29-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9538719)
They are paid shrills for the teams, I'm beginning to think.


I know from that experience that I NEVER listen to what they say anymore...

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9538695)
If after all this you're not taken back just a pinch about this year's QB class in how the top teams are trying to trade for QBs rather than just drafting one, then I don't think you're being objective.

I've was a Geno guy sometime back but then it became clear the Chiefs are not going that direction. So I moved on.

Certainly scouts & GM see something a lot of people on this board do not. I don't know what it is but that's the situation.

The same thing happened in 2010.

People in this forum were enamored with Jimmy Clausen. I got swept up in it as well. When the Chiefs passed at 5, it was unclear whether it was Pioli's doing or that Weis didn't trust him and so on. But when he dropped into the second round, it was clear that the NFL front offices knew more about Clausen than anyone in an internet forum.

And to date, Clausen hasn't proven them to be wrong.

RunKC 03-29-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538674)
I love it that people are saying that these teams are "passing" on Geno Smith because they're trading for other QBs. Or they see Geno as having a correctable flaw but would rather sit him for a year behind a veteran QB who can win them games.

2 months ago: you draft Geno 1st overall and you start him no questions asked.

Now: Well he has correctable flaws but needs to sit on the bench.

Rationalizing LMAO

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9538728)
2 months ago: you draft Geno 1st overall and you start him no questions asked.

Now: Well he has correctable flaws but needs to sit on the bench.

Rationalizing LMAO

2 months ago: We had jackshit at QB.

Now: We have a game manager at QB.

Makes perfect sense.

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538718)
So you are saying that Geno wont go in the top 10 in spite of the fact most mocks say he will?

I'm saying that mock drafts don't mean jackshit, especially this far out from the draft.

They'll be more meaningful the week leading up to the draft, as GM's and front office personnel begin leaking information to local and national reporters.

But overall, they're just silly fun, yet some people take them as gospel. I think it's weird.

Beeker 03-29-2013 02:46 PM

Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora17m


If the Flynn to Oakland trade gets completed, as expected, look for Seattle to consider Tyler Thigpen as a back-up to Russell Wilson

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beeker (Post 9538737)
Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora17m


If the Flynn to Oakland trade gets completed, as expected, look for Seattle to consider Tyler Thigpen as a back-up to Russell Wilson

Q

Messier 03-29-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9538701)
Lol would you rather call him a former starter? A guy who started 2 full seasons out of like 7? A guy who could be a starter if there wasn't a more macho guy who became starter after one game of play versus YEARS? Clipboard starter?

Lol dude was a backup when we traded for him. Period.

IF you want to doubt him due to injury, that's pretty valid. He's been injury prone. He's entered the season as the starter six times. He is a starting QB.

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9538727)
The same thing happened in 2010.

People in this forum were enamored with Jimmy Clausen. I got swept up in it as well. When the Chiefs passed at 5, it was unclear whether it was *****'s doing or that Weis didn't trust him and so on. But when he dropped into the second round, it was clear that the NFL front offices knew more about Clausen than anyone in an internet forum.

And to date, Clausen hasn't proven them to be wrong.

Umm the majority wanted Eric Berry in 2010 not Clausen. It was when he fell to the second round when the shit got busier on him.

It sucks I have wanted the team to draft 3 QBs over the last decade or so, and each ****ing time we have traded for a backup QB - 2001 Brees, 2009 Sanchez and this year Barkley/I would have accepted Geno as well.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-29-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beeker (Post 9538737)
Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora17m


If the Flynn to Oakland trade gets completed, as expected, look for Seattle to consider Tyler Thigpen as a back-up to Russell Wilson

Chan Gailey helped make Thiggy millions. He has surely racked up that much all these years even if at minimum.

DaneMcCloud 03-29-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9538743)
Umm the majority wanted Eric Berry in 2010 not Clausen. It was when he fell to the second round when the shit got busier on him.

I remember that a ton of people wanted Clausen at 5. I don't remember the percentage, so it may have been a majority for Berry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9538743)
It sucks I have wanted the team to draft 3 QBs over the last decade or so, and each ****ing time we have traded for a backup QB - 2001 Brees, 2009 Sanchez and this year Barkley/I would have accepted Geno as well.

Brees still kills me. Sanchez would have been a wash with Cassel but it's possible that the second rounder that year could still be on the roster.

It's too bad that Barkley was hurt.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:56 PM

I wanted Clausen at 5 only if Berry was gone at that point.

RunKC 03-29-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538762)
I wanted Clausen at 5 only if Berry was gone at that point.

Wow Pioli is a better GM than you.

The Franchise 03-29-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9538768)
Wow ***** is a better GM than you.

I'm a Notre Dame fan....you ****ing mouthbreather.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-29-2013 03:02 PM

John Clayton ‏@ClaytonESPN 2m

It is inevitable that Matt Flynn will end up in Oakland. The Raiders aren't taking a QB in the first round. Flynn is best option Palmer goes

RunKC 03-29-2013 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9538773)
I'm a Notre Dame fan....you ****ing mouthbreather.

Than you should have seen his fail before anyone.

Taking Jimmy Clausen at 5 is worse than anything Pioli did. Yikes.


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