Geno will also make many more game costing mistakes in his first few years, I'll bet. I don't know it's "likely" Geno will be head and shoulders above AS, because QB is never that sure of a bet. I'd say it's 50-50 Geno becomes a top 15 QB.

Well, lets hope if he fails they kick him to the curb oppose to holding onto to him for four seasons and living through HELL!

Offensively, maybe, outside of Delaney. But defensively, the had some real players. Either way, the end result was the same. No playoffs, no playoff wins, losing seasons.

And just for the record, I wasn't then or am now "Anti-Marv", although I don't think that he would have had the same results in KC as he had in Buffalo, mainly due to Jim Schaaf.

Manning was falling apart at the end of last season. The Bronco's tried to hide his rag arm in the last payoff game. If they win the division, it will be by default. Not afraid.

This is a very good point.

I think it will be interesting to see how the Chiefs match up and challenge Manning with Smith, Robinson, Flowers, Berry and whoever else they add (I'm not counting on Abdullah at this point).

Maybe.

But outside of DT, the core group of players that Marty had his early success with wer the players drafted by Schaaf.

Yeah, absolutely. But even in the Steadman/Schaaf era, they were hesitant to scout and draft QB's consistently. I do give them credit for Fuller and Blackledge for trying, but there should have been a ton of guys in between and after.

As a Chiefs fan, I have to wonder if those decisions, or non-decisions, influenced Levy but even moreso, Polian.

He was never shy about drafting a QB once he left KC.

rofl...vintage Hamas.
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Peyton Manning destroys guys like Sean Smith and Dunta Robinson.

He used to destroy them.

I'm not so sure he can do that at age 37.

IMO, this is where Bob Sutton's role takes on the utmost importance.

Reid has always been able to fabricate an efficient offense but since the death of Jim Johnson, his defenses have struggled enormously, which have led to losing seasons.

If Sutton can put together a top 12 or so defense, this team will be very good. But if he can't, then they'll struggle.

He just threw for 4700 yards and 37 TDs.

I'm pretty sure he's going to rape and murder with Welker in his stable now.

Steve Young says hello.

49ers acquired him in a trade by fleecing Tampa Bay.

I have no idea what to expect from Manning. I was one of about 4 people who was not insanely excited about signing him because I knew he was barely able to grip a football a few months before. But he worked hard at getting better... although he didn't do very well in cold weather. Some people acted like his arm strength was fine, but I don't think he was the same guy at all.

Guys like Montana and Favre had one great season then regressed a bit at the end as age got to them. Elway won at that age but his team was loaded, Terrell Davis was running out of his mind. Bubby Brister won games with those teams.

Funny thing about Young is that SF gave up a first for him.

One thing I DO know; it's time to end this Charger nonsense. That is one team that needs to start getting its ass kicked by KC on a regular basis. Oakland will rarely if ever be a sure win due to the rivalry, but that other paradigm needs to shift starting THIS year. Enough! (sorry, Buck)
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2nd and a 4th

It's just another appeal to minority, though.

Welker won't be effective if that guy with the flab arm can't stretch the field. If you cheat on Brady, he has enough to burn you down field. Maybe the QB formerly know as Peyton needed a year to really get into playing shape and will finish strong this season. I'm betting that his arm really can't deliver anymore and his giant QB brain won't be able to close the gap.

They gave up a 2nd & a 4th for him. As I said, they fleeced Tampa.

I got my Steves confused. I think NO gave up a 1st for Steve Walsh.

Hahaha....for real? That dude had one of the weakest arms I've ever seen.

Either way, even if he drops off, that's an 11-5 team at worst.

We aren't winning 11 games.

Not only did they give up a 1st, they also gave up a 2nd and a 3rd.

That might be the first time those two were ever confused. ;)

#1 and #3 the first year, #2 the next.

It was worse than the Herschel Walker deal in many respects.

Just a joke

I believe that. You don't go into a presser and tell everyone that you think the QB that everyone else thought you overpaid for is going to be a future hall of famer if you aren't completely sold on the guy. I think they honestly beleive he will be in the HoF. I think they are giddy that they got him for the compensation that they gave up for him.

I think Chiefs fans wanted a gun slinger, but Reid and Dorsey were looking for a more cerebral QB. I think they have that in ASmith.

I hope he is as good as they think he is.

I'd still like us to pick up Geno. If not, I won't be crushed. I'd be disappointed, sure. If we don't get a QB, I would like for us to trade down and get a passrusher (Ansah--I think when all is said and done, he will be the premier defensive player in this draft). I will even live if we get Fisher.... This game is all about QB: you either get one, protect one or kill one. We will get a player that does one of those things.

People seem to forget the Eric Dickerson trade, which essentially netted the Rams nothing and sent them to St. Louis.

Funny isn't it that all the high end talent on this team was drafted by the King except for a couple no-brainers (Berry,Houston). Nothing made me happier than to hear that Fat Scott used to mock the previous regime by referring to them as the "2-14s" and that is the exact record that got his fat ass sent packing.

Fugg him!

ROFL ya. If the last regime sucked Scott, what do you call yours? A ****ing abortion?

I don't know that I'd call Houston a "no brainer". He was thought to potentially have all sorts of off-the-field issues that have just never materialized.

That said, I'm not sure there's anyone OTHER than Houston for Pioli to hang his hat on, and even that one's not necessarily a home run - just a nice, solid pick.

"I would let Albert walk and draft Joekel"-Reid-oli. If it goes down, it is what it is, and can NOT be disputed.
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Levy didn't implement the Wing T because he thought it was a good offense. He said at the time he was going to run it because his defense was so bad that he wanted to keep them off the field. He was right. The defense he inherited was abysmal. And the Wing T offense controlled the ball and kept the defense off the field, just like Levy predicted.

When the team gets better every year until the strike season, and the front office makes no real attempt to field a competitive scab team in games that actually count in the standings, and then you fire Levy after the strike season, that's not giving him a fair opportunity.

The Chiefs absolutely ****ed up by firing Marv Levy, and any fan who who was paying attention knew so at the time.

PFF had Houston as the 2nd most effective pass rushing OLB behind Von Miller pretty deep into the season last year. The Chiefs just didn't use him enough in that role. That says something about the previous coaching or Tamba Hali's limitations; I'm not sure which though. I'd call it a homerun for a 3rd rounder barring him running into serious issues.

but yeah it's pretty slim after that.. I think some of the olinemen might work out like Asomoah but drafting guards in the 2nd and 3rd you'd like to hope you hit almost every time. Jeff Allen looked like a solid 2nd round pick. for me to poop on!

He tested positive for weed. Not sure that qualifies as all sorts of off-the-field issues. He also had first round talent. I think it was a no brainer to grab him in the 3rd.

Not to us Bucs fans... that trade still haunts Bucs fans. 26 years later.

Uh, he was a lock for the first round until he failed a pot test is all I ever heard. NFL people are apparently unaware that tons of players smoke weed, I mean JFC watch the Tamba pro bowl video, he was so god damn high he could barely talk and the morons at kcchiefs.com were clueless and put the video up anyways.

Also, if a 3rd round pick that goes to the probowl in his second season is only a "solid pick", that pretty much makes Tom Brady the only "homerun" in NFL draft history.

I supported pioli up untill beginning last season when we let orton go and brought no competition for cassel.

I was man nick wright and everyone else are right he won't admit his mistake on him. That was it for me I turned on him and as loses mounted I was like the main problem is pioli hated peterson but at least he admited when he made a mistake.

Jimmy Johnson at his best wow!

LMAO This thread is more about Clay crying about the Chiefs and sucking off the Donkeys.

Dorsey must of named "Baby Jack" after Jack Stack BBQ.

I'm not crying about anything.

We're a nice team. 8-8 or so.

Broncos are elite.

Elite teams win playoff games.

Is human branding back in vogue again?

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So F'N True !!!

Good One Mikey !!:thumb:

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WTF are these you trying to accomplish noob? Drive me to HULK SMASH your offspring before they're released from your scrotum?

Alex Smith playoff wins the last 2 years = 2.

P. Manning playoff wins the last 2 years = 0.

Alex Smith is elite! ROFL

You sure about that?

According to some here, Alex Smith is the same as Matt Ryan.

Dane said as much. ROFL

Can't wait for Alex to break dem franchise records!

Forgot they had a bye. Either way Smith 1 - Manning 0.

49ers elite positional talent - 1

Manning - 0

Smith was just along for that ride.

tim tebow is elite

/dave

And Manning carried his team with no talent on offense or defense?

Interesting.

It's a good thing that stupidity can't reach a critical mass; otherwise, what passes as your brain would have to be modulated by graphite rods to prevent a fission of dumbassery.

Peyton Manning threw for 37 TDs and 4700 yards.

A team that had basically no passing offense the year prior.

You are being obtuse, homer.

i cant wait for the chiefs to finally bust out with some 5 yard dump offs and 9 yard TE flares , FINALLY we will have an elite short range passer to accomplish this massive task

Wait a minute, I was told this past season was the best team Manning has ever played on. And he had played on a team that won a Super Bowl and another that would've gone 16-0 if they hadn't rested their starters. Now I'm confused.

For a guy who claims to watch a ton of 49er games, you sure do spout a lot of bullshit in regards to them........who did Alex Smith target the most last year???

Answer, because you are simple.

Michael Crabtree.

It might of been his best overall team when you factor in the defense. His offenses with James, Wayne, Harrison, Pollard, Clark, those were far superior offensively.

SHUT UP! You're DONE deep throating Chiefs hires from the Philadelphia tree. YOU HEAR ME. We will not endure five years of Andy Reid blowjobs from you after the Vermeil Incident.

I am far from stupid Hamas. I know Manning is a far superior QB than Alex Smith, I am just tired of the ridiculousness that is the Manning love fest and the Alex Smith hate fest.

You dont think Smith's negatives have been greatly exaggerated simply because he is not what people wanted?

I would rather draft Geno myself but you dont think people aren't finding every negative they can and magnifying it because they wanted Geno.

Go back to the 2011 season game threads and see who here thought Alex Smith sucked. There may have been a few but most people thought he was far superior to anything we have and now that we have him, well he is no better than Cassel. ****ing Clay had a thread dedicated to sucking Alex Smith's dick.

Yea I am stupid, that's the issue at hand. If I am stupid many of the people here should be dead from inability to rember to breath.

Way to avoid my point. But that said I think Reid has gotten the best out of the QB's he has had. Which may not be saying much but it's something. It's concerning how he's never had success without Jim Johnson though. We will see.

I'll say this much, if DV had coached the last 6 years we may have never gotten younger, but we sure wouldn't have had this Sunday buffet of human feces at the QB position.

:spock:

This relies on the assumption that Alex Smith will be able to start all 16 games and stay healthy... a significant question mark considering he's been able to stay healthy an entire season only twice during his 8 year career so far.

CASSEL IS A GOOD QUARTERBACK!

I know A LOT were sucking off Alex Smith when they beat the Saints in that play off game.

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I was also told that the Bills have no interest in Smith, have targeted Nassib and will take him with their second round pick, so eliminate him from contention.

Will laugh extremely hard if the Jets snag him.

Wow you are a dumbshit.

Denver had no passing offense in 2011 because of Tim Tebow... not because they didn't have talent on offense.

The Jets are a ****ing mess.

They have the world's biggest albatross around their neck in Mark Sanchez, and the second biggest in Tim Tebow.

There is no way in hell that they add to that disaster by taking a QB in the first round.

Pass rusher all the way.

Peyton Manning still elevated that offense at an incredible rate.

I would feel terrible for geno. that franchise is beyond shit.

there is no denying that.

Remember that idiotic record that tied Cassel and Montana together? I see more of that kind of bullshit coming, yep.
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I asked someone I've known a long time that has worked in the FO with Carl, ***** and Dorsey about the differences.

He said the first day ***** took over and was introduced to the building, he corrected people who worked 20+ years for the Chiefs that called him Scott instead of Mr. *****.

They said Dorsey and Andy both have been incredible in restoring morale. Dorsey and Andy will randomly invite random staff to go with them to lunch so they can get to know each other better.

My friend is a beat writer for the Jets who gets quotes for articles frequently from several agents. He asked an agent what the perception of Dorsey is around the league. Agent said you won't find a nicer person in the league than John Dorsey. He followed up with a ***** question and the agent said that *****'s demeanor changed completely compared to when he was in New England. He became intolerable and let the power go straight to his head.

The Chiefs are in very good hands with Dorsey. I honestly expect him to be the GM of this team for 10+ years.

good ..

Awesome. That's great to hear.

That is ****ing awesome. I love these guys.

The Hunt Way.