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Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 9639369)
Ben had it together ON the field. He was a winner in college.

Ben is really good I know that. Bray showed ability in the SEC.

Mr. Laz 04-27-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9639361)
Well, the price is right...

I don't expect he'll develop.

probably not but it will be fun to watch his passes zip around at camp :)

RyFo18 04-27-2013 09:17 PM

Who was the Jags douche that had a Bray QBOTF sig?

ILChief 04-27-2013 09:18 PM

ANALYSIS
Strengths
Bray uses his height to adequately survey the field and see over his offensive lineman, yet he also displays the flexibility to bend and reach for low shotgun snaps. Bray has elite arm strength, and generates this power through a consistent rotation of his hips. His throws are often tight spirals, and the velocity of his throws allows him to beat defenders to the spot. He shows the ability to manipulate the pocket, and change his arm slot, while still delivering accurate throws.
Weaknesses
An extremely thin build, and won't contribute much as a scrambler. His gamed is mired with tremendous inconsistencies, mostly rooted in a poor feel for the intricacies of the game. Accuracy and footwork can go array at any point in the game. Takes to many unnecessary risks. Has a tendency to stare down his targets. Did not develop in his Junior season as many had hoped.
NFL Comparison
Jay Cutler
Bottom Line
Based on pure arm talent, Bray is an extremely impressive quarterback prospect. However, his arm talent only resulted in a few standout plays amongst a season of poor decisions, and maddening inconsinstencies. An NFL team that drafts him will be doing so based on their faith in cleaning up the many aspects of Bray's game that leave much to be desired.

The Bad Guy 04-27-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639366)
Cutler is going nowhere ROFL

You realize he's comparing their skillsets and not saying Cutler is coming here right?

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9639374)
Your schtick never gets old.

:p

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9639371)
Wow.

Enlighten me...where will he go? Cutler isn't elite but he's good and isn't being let go.

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9639378)
Who was the Jags douche that had a Bray QBOTF sig?

Sestuna.

Brock 04-27-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639383)
Enlighten me...where will he go? Cutler isn't elite but he's good and isn't being let go.

Jesus christ. ROFL

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9639380)
You realize he's comparing their skillsets and not saying Cutler is coming here right?

Oh my bad. Excuse me because of my excitement man

Titty Meat 04-27-2013 09:20 PM

Derek Dooley was a shit coach that didn't exactly help Bray.

I'll be honest this is the first Chiefs rookie QB i've been excited about in my lifetime.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9639386)
Jesus christ. ROFL

Sorry man I'm excited let me have my moment

Dave Lane 04-27-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 9639368)
Tyler Bray absolutely had to go somewhere where a coach had a lot of legacy as an offensive mind that could quickly get his attention and respect. Chances are high he'll be a dud, but if anyone can spin shit into gold...well it's Andy Reid.

Explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

Mr. Laz 04-27-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639383)
Enlighten me...where will he go? Cutler isn't elite but he's good and isn't being let go.

last year of his contract and apparently they can't agree on an extension so Cutler said he will just 'play his contract out' and see what happens ala Flacco


Bears will have to tag

58-4ever 04-27-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639376)
Ben is really good I know that. Bray showed ability in the SEC.

Oh there's no doubt he flashed some ability. I just hope he can put it all together one day. Comparing him to Ben is ridiculous though. Ben was ready to start. Bray may never get there.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9639350)
Might have gotten a cutler for nothing.

I got too excited and missed the a. My bad :facepalm: on me

Jayhawk Chief 04-27-2013 09:22 PM

It's always exciting to sign a player that every GM in the NFL refused to draft.

Baby Lee 04-27-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9639379)
ANALYSIS
Strengths
Bray uses his height to adequately survey the field and see over his offensive lineman, yet he also displays the flexibility to bend and reach for low shotgun snaps. Bray has elite arm strength, and generates this power through a consistent rotation of his hips. His throws are often tight spirals, and the velocity of his throws allows him to beat defenders to the spot. He shows the ability to manipulate the pocket, and change his arm slot, while still delivering accurate throws.
Weaknesses
An extremely thin build, and won't contribute much as a scrambler. His gamed is mired with tremendous inconsistencies, mostly rooted in a poor feel for the intricacies of the game. Accuracy and footwork can go array at any point in the game. Takes to many unnecessary risks. Has a tendency to stare down his targets. Did not develop in his Junior season as many had hoped.
NFL Comparison
Jay Cutler
Bottom Line
Based on pure arm talent, Bray is an extremely impressive quarterback prospect. However, his arm talent only resulted in a few standout plays amongst a season of poor decisions, and maddening inconsinstencies. An NFL team that drafts him will be doing so based on their faith in cleaning up the many aspects of Bray's game that leave much to be desired.

Proofreading on the internet is shit.

rico 04-27-2013 09:23 PM

YES! Regardless of his d-bag tendencies, he was my 2nd fave QB in the draft (behind Geno). I saw numerous projections for next year that had him as the fave to go #1 overall had he not declared this year....in a draft class they are projecting to be more talented...doesn't make sense. But love this. I've been a Bray fan since his Sophomore season.

milkman 04-27-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 9639370)
Trent Green was an 8th rounder back when they went past 7 rounds...

I'd settle for a new Trent Green....

Back when Green went in the 8th round, he was the 222nd pick.

In today's draft, at the end of the 7th round, Mr. Irrelevant was the 254th pick.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Chief (Post 9639397)
It's always exciting to sign a player that every GM in the NFL refused to draft.

I've wanted this guy. Kind of like every GM passing on Kurt Warner, Wes Welker and Preist Holmes. It's a long shot but I'll take the odds.

KcMizzou 04-27-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9639401)
YES! Regardless of his d-bag tendencies, he was my 2nd fave QB in the draft (behind Geno). I saw numerous projections for next year that had him as the fave to go #1 overall had he not declared this year....in a draft class they are projecting to be more talented...doesn't make sense. But love this. I've been a Bray fan since his Sophomore season.

No downside to this. No cost... possible big reward.

What's not to like?

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Chief (Post 9639397)
It's always exciting to sign a player that every GM in the NFL refused to draft.

That's what a grocery store said right after signing Kurt Warner.

xztop123 04-27-2013 09:25 PM

We'll need to keep 2 10 million dollar tackles for this statue to have any chance

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9639409)
That's what a grocery store said right after signing Kurt Warner.

I mean boom! That's what I said. It's a long shot, I know. But I'll take it.

xztop123 04-27-2013 09:26 PM

At any rate it appears like we've been drafting a bunch of D-bags this year, as opposed to team captains

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 9639411)
We'll need to keep 2 10 million dollar tackles for this statue to have any chance

Well do I have good news for you.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 9639411)
We'll need to keep 2 10 million dollar tackles for this statue to have any chance

That's what we got Albert and Fisher for. **** it

milkman 04-27-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9639399)
Proofreading on the internet is shit.


Just awfel.

Ming the Merciless 04-27-2013 09:27 PM

gay for bray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yay

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 9639417)
At any rate it appears like we've been drafting a bunch of D-bags this year, as opposed to team captains

And where did drafting team captains get us? 2-14

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9639420)
Just awfel.

How ludecrhris

TribalElder 04-27-2013 09:27 PM

GARGLE THE LOVE JUICES

there is the QB for Andy

kcxiv 04-27-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 9639370)
Trent Green was an 8th rounder back when they went past 7 rounds...

I'd settle for a new Trent Green....

im going big not above average! lol Why not? lol

xztop123 04-27-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639422)
And where did drafting team captains get us? 2-14

i personally dont care about any athletes personality. I generally don't ever intend on listening to them talk unless I meet them somewhere in public or on a Mic'd segment

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:28 PM

I am very interested to see where this thread goes and how many posts it gains.

Titty Meat 04-27-2013 09:28 PM

Milk what are your thoughts on Bray? You think we may have something here?

siberian khatru 04-27-2013 09:28 PM

The chances of him panning out are probably really low.

But I'll say this: For more than a year, I've had this gut feeling about him.

Probably just need some Pepto-Bismol, but still ...

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 9639427)
i personally dont care about any athletes personality. I generally don't ever intend on listening to them talk unless I meet them somewhere in public or on a Mic'd segment

Well to be fair character does matter in sports. I am not saying you need 25 team leaders, because you don't. I am all for taking chances ie. Houston last year. I don't think its irrelevant though or that it only impacts post game interviews.

Ming the Merciless 04-27-2013 09:30 PM

i


want

to

believe

ZootedGranny 04-27-2013 09:30 PM

They'll probably sit him a year, give him a couple of spot starts and then flip him for a draft pick.

Simply Red 04-27-2013 09:30 PM

I called this on at least three early occasions.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:31 PM

Tyler Bray-Dwayne Bowe--->The Knucklehead Connection FTW

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:31 PM

Today my inner Mayock came out...pound the table for Bray in round 6 and 7.

tk13 04-27-2013 09:31 PM

The reality is the all arm/less brain QBs rarely make it. The guy has a monster arm though, he can make any throw on the field. But he also made some throws Matt Cassel would shake his head at. Mind boggling bad throws. He definitely needs someone who will discipline him a bit.

RunKC 04-27-2013 09:32 PM

Watching him on Gruden camp, he made a ton of his INT's mistakes because he always wanted to go deep and threw it into double, sometimes triple teams.

There were mulitiple plays where he could have threw it to the flat to his RB. Hell one of those INT's the RB was wide the **** open with no defender within 15 yards of him and Bray threw it deep.

Sounds like he is fixable. It's his character that concerns me. Not sure if he can be a leader and run this offense.

milkman 04-27-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9639430)
Milk what are your thoughts on Bray? You think we may have something here?

I like his physical ability, but didn't like his decision making, and have concerns about his coachability.

At the end of the day, QBs are defined by what's above the shoulders, and Bray strikes me as an idiot.

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9639435)
i


want

to

believe

http://markewicz.wikispaces.com/file...fox_mulder.jpg

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9639442)
Watching him on Gruden camp, he made a ton of his INT's mistakes because he always wanted to go deep and threw it into double, sometimes triple teams.

There were mulitiple plays where he could have threw it to the flat to his RB. Hell one of those INT's the RB was wide the **** open with no defender within 15 yards of him and Bray threw it deep.

Sounds like he is fixable. It's his character that concerns me. Not sure if he can be a leader and run this offense.

ANDY REID. Going undrafted could help his immaturity and wake him up...I hope

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9639446)
I like his physical ability, but didn't like his decision making, and have concerns about his coachability.

At the end of the day, QBs are defined by what's above the shoulders, and Bray strikes me as an idiot.

We just have to hope that he does have the ability to learn and adapt.

KC_Lee 04-27-2013 09:36 PM

Been calling for Bray to KC for a long time. Always said he needed to sit a learn from a strong, QB-centric and offensive minded coach with no pressure to start as a rookie.

He's either going to boom or bust, nothing in between. No career backup, either a good starting QB in the NFL or selling insurance somewhere.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9639456)
We just have to hope that he does have the ability to learn and adapt.

He scored the same as Geno on the wonderlic

Titty Meat 04-27-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9639446)
I like his physical ability, but didn't like his decision making, and have concerns about his coachability.

At the end of the day, QBs are defined by what's above the shoulders, and Bray strikes me as an idiot.

Is he an idiot or just immature? I believe there's a difference.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9639459)
Been calling for Bray to KC for a long time. Always said he needed to sit a learn from a strong, QB-centric and offensive minded coach with no pressure to start as a rookie.

He's either going to boom or bust, nothing in between. No career backup, either a good starting QB in the NFL or selling insurance somewhere.

Ya, we both have said Bray. Can't wait. Never have I been this excited about UDFA

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9639461)
Is he an idiot or just immature? I believe there's a difference.

I think he is both, based off things I have read. Just have to hope it's just immaturity and trying to be a hero on every throw.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9639464)
I think he is both, based off things I have read. Just have to hope it's just immaturity and trying to be a hero on every throw.

Hopefully being with Reid can fix that. You can coach the "hero" concept. Reid did with Favre.

KC_Lee 04-27-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9639461)
Is he an idiot or just immature? I believe there's a difference.

I want to say immature. He's done some stupid stuff, but nothing that any other 21 - 23 year old US Male has not done at some time.

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639460)
He scored the same as Geno on the wonderlic

Well based off the questions we took on the Wonderlic example quiz I don't think that is going to show whether he has the ability to change how he plays from the neck up.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9639468)
Well based off the questions we took on the Wonderlic example quiz I don't think that is going to show whether he has the ability to change how he plays from the neck up.

No but just saying. He's got the talent to be the best QB.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2013 09:39 PM

Done.

Fat Elvis 04-27-2013 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9639431)
The chances of him panning out are probably really low.

But I'll say this: For more than a year, I've had this gut feeling about him.

Probably just need some Pepto-Bismol, but still ...

All we need is a couple of decent games out of him, and we can trade him for a couple of high picks.

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639465)
Hopefully being with Reid can fix that. You can coach the "hero" concept. Reid did with Favre.

Exactly. Out of all the traits that cause a prospect to drop, that's the one I would think is the best one to have to fix, especially in a no-lose situation like this.

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9639473)
Done.

I want mine. I think my sig has been disabled. Need to fix it

siberian khatru 04-27-2013 09:41 PM

Do you want Tyler Bray on your NFL team?

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2013/4/2...-your-nfl-team

Mother****erJones 04-27-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9639475)
Exactly. Out of all the traits that cause a prospect to drop, that's the one I would think is the best one to have to fix, especially in a no-lose situation like this.

Just watching some of his deep throws, I love it! Kid can sling it. **** the Fins!

KcMizzou 04-27-2013 09:41 PM

The kid's got all the time in the world to learn and mature. There's no downside to this. (unless you're a Stanzi fan)

KC_Lee 04-27-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 9639482)
The kid's got all the time in the world to learn and mature. There's no downside to this. (unless you're a Stanzi fan)

Yep, nothing but total win for KC. If he flames out, so what UDFA. If he pans out, one of the best signings ever.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2013 09:43 PM

Most exciting QB we have drafted since...Broakie?

NJChiefsFan 04-27-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9639481)
Just watching some of his deep throws, I love it! Kid can sling it. **** the Fins!

Getting him as a UDFA is pretty cool. To me, I would keep him on as the 3 no matter how it plays out because of his upside. We know he is a project, so I don't think you can really judge him off the next few months.

tk13 04-27-2013 09:44 PM

This is the bit with Gruden.

<script src="http://player.espn.com/player.js?&playerBrandingId=4ef8000cbaf34c1687a7d9a26fe0e89e&pcode=1kNG061cgaoolOncv54OAO1ceO-I&width=576&height=324&externalId=espn:9185566&thruParam_espn-ui[autoPlay]=false&thruParam_espn-ui[playRelatedExternally]=true"></script>

BigRedChief 04-27-2013 09:44 PM

Bray may have an upside. Getting him for nothing to see if he produce that upside is a win-win for the Chiefs and Bray. At least he has to be better than Stansi.

philfree 04-27-2013 09:45 PM

Alex Smith will be the perfect role model for Tyler Bray. This signing along with the draft and FA makes this a fairly successful offseason as far as offseasons go. Now we just need to win games and develop Bray in the process.

JoeyChuckles 04-27-2013 09:45 PM

Please tell me CP is not seriously excited about an undrafted QB

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2013 09:46 PM

Where do I get my Jersey?

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 9639493)
Please tell me CP is not seriously excited about an undrafted QB

Whats wrong with hope?

KC_Lee 04-27-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9639487)
Most exciting QB we have drafted since...Broakie?

It is for me. Trust me, I work with one of the biggest U of Tennesee fans in the world. He says the same thing; cannon arm but needs to sit and learn, boom or bust.

How sad is it though when an UDFA signing is the most exciting thing in the draft this year?

JoeyChuckles 04-27-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9639487)
Most exciting QB we have drafted since...Broakie?

Too bad we didn't draft him, hence the name undrafted free agent.

DTLB58 04-27-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 9639437)
They'll probably sit him a year, give him a couple of spot starts and then flip him for a draft pick.

Ricky Stanzi. Oh, wait.

bigdaddychieffan 04-27-2013 09:47 PM

Very happy with the Draft since we picked up Bray for nothing. He could be special and then again he might not. Smith is going to have time behind our o-line and hopefully it will be great for Charles. Nico Johnson is going to be a great replacement for Belcher. Could have been better but could have been worse.

siberian khatru 04-27-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9639489)
This is the bit with Gruden.

<script src="http://player.espn.com/player.js?&playerBrandingId=4ef8000cbaf34c1687a7d9a26fe0e89e&pcode=1kNG061cgaoolOncv54OAO1ceO-I&width=576&height=324&externalId=espn:9185566&thruParam_espn-ui[autoPlay]=false&thruParam_espn-ui[playRelatedExternally]=true"></script>

That's awesome.


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