I think what he's suggesting, and that I agree with, is that you put the line out there that you think has the chance to develop and grow together, and have them playing at their peak when the Chiefs do get the QB that can lead them to a SB.

The only problem with that thought process is that the Chiefs will never get that QB.

Tait moving around after years in the league is far different from a rookie's first exposure to the speed of the NFL coming from the "wrong" side. It can (not saying it will, but CAN) seriously screw up his development. Just ask Tyron Smith. Fisher does have the advantage of being smarter than most so it may not be an issue but why risk it when signing Albert long term at LG or trading him away will allow us money to sign a true RT like Clabo.

This is an incredibly stupid post.. even in general CP terms... just incredibly stupid. You're better than this. Try again.

I hope they can trade Albert. I'm just talking in terms of the current realities of the roster...

I just don't think Fisher would struggle with it if we're stuck with them both.

We need to keep Albert at LT, dumbasses.

No way I want a rookie protecting Alex Smith's blindside.

We need to go with the established veteran who has allowed less pressure than Duane Brown the last two seasons. You can't pay enough for that kind of quality protection.

I understand and we are with the exception of Brandon Albert.

It's a unique and temporary situation

People are still pissed about taking an OT and 1.1 and it's making them adamant about Fisher being at LT 'no matter what the cost,dammit'. Putting Fisher at RT for even a single snap makes them even more angry about the pick.

get over it

100% agree except I'm holding out hope on the QB thing..

If you can sign Albert long term at LG you will have plenty of space to sign a guy like Clabo at RT and all of a sudden you have a killer line that you don;t need to worry about for years. OR you can play Fisher at RT and risk screwing him up like Tyron Smith and you get the fun of reshuffling the line in a year. Just makes zero ****ing sense unless you are in some sort of desperate win now mode.

one stupid post in response to another stupid post

Your petulant and idiotic declaration that this year basically doesn't matter because Alex Smith sucks is beyond 'dumbass'.

The people running the team believe we have have that QB. Scary thought.

A rookie? yes, like this is some 4th round nobody... IT'S THE #1 PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. You start him at LT and unless he busts horribly you keep him there.

I hope to God our team isn't as ****ing stupid as the Cowboys...

The offseason moves tell me that's exactly what they're doing.

Your post, however, was directed at a guy (AC) that has always argued that Albert is just an average LT, so I highly doubt that he is reacting to it, and forwarding a plan out of any anger because we took a LT at 1.1.

As for me, I don't like the Fisher pick, but the deed is done, and now my only consideration is to do what I consider will maximize the value of the pick long term.

So because one player struggled to make the switch, all players will do so.

Great logic.

Nate Solder switched from RT to LT and did just fine.

This is just an extension of your vendetta against Branden Albert.

Remember: he allowed less pressure than Duane Brown the last two seasons.

That must really stick in your craw.

No you need to put down your drink and read my posts again. You are channeling some serious stupid right now.

I am not saying Alex Smith sucks or this year doesn't matter. I am saying that taking a myopic "win now" attitude is reeruned as opposed to doing what is best for the team for many years to come. I am saying that if you were one of the people who bitched about Alex Smith and wanted to draft a QB of our own... then you would be a hypocrite to not treat the Oline in a similar fashion.

Following along now?

of course Reid and Dorsey are trying to win now.

They believe Alex Smith can win in the NFL or they wouldn't of given 2 valuable draft picks for him.

Even if Alex Smith isn't a franchise type QB, they think he is a playoff type QB and Albert at LT and Fisher at RT is the best chance to succeed and get to the playoffs this year.

Don't care.

If we are going to build a dominant line, and we want to maximize it's potential as quickly as we can, you start the rookie LT day one at LT.

Who the hell cares if mediocre game manager gets killed in the development process?

Just to be clear I have said he is just an ABOVE average guy.. 10-15 range which I adjusted to 8-12 range after last year.

I am pissed that this draft class sucked but I am fine with the pick. There simply wasn't anyone else to pick there.. no matter how much I wish that wasn't true doesn't change the facts.

All of that said, I firmly believe Fisher can be a beast at LT for us for years to come

I'm sure they believe they can win now but I doubt they will do so to the detriment of the future of this team. Playing your LTOTF out of position for a year is not a good idea for the future.

Now I could be wrong and Fisher could be even better than I think he is and simply GODLIKE in his ability to adjust and such... if so it still hurts the cohesion of the line to reshuffle next year but it won't be terrible.

Fact is, we would be MUCH better served to get a real RT like Clabo and not have to play anyone out of position. Period.

basically you are

creating drama by moving Albert
putting a rookie at left tackle

both things weaken the Oline, team and give Alex Smith less of a chance to get off to a good start and succeeding this year. All because you think playing right tackle for a single season might hinder Fisher's development.

nah, if you want to win this year then you put Fisher and RT for a year and then make your moves next year. Fisher will have plenty of time next offseason and training camp to 'switch hands'

now if you want to argue that Albert isn't very good(like MM suggests) then that's an entirely different discussion.

Exactly. I'm much more concerned about a LT that I know will be here for many years over a QB who could flame out in one.

They probably would have if a team thought Albert was worth big money and a draft pick.

apparently they don't, so we have to move on


just like the people who didn't like trading for Alex Smith have to 'move on'

once again ... the anger about Alex Smith is influencing other things.

the goal is not building a dominant line ... it's a means to a end.

best Oline for offensive success THIS year is Albert at LT.

Albert is very good. Exactly... very good... not great. Solidly above average. I doubt that Fisher will present much of a dropoff if any in his rookie season playing LT.

As for DRAMA? What is this a ****ing knitting circle? Who the **** cares about DRAMA???

And it's not just my opinion on switching sides at the NFL level... Schwartz and Schlereth have both said it is a complete bitch to do. I have no clue if it will screw Fisher up but it certainly carries that risk. No matter what it sets him back a year in his development at LT and it sets the line's cohesion back a year... for WHAT GAIN? To protect Alex Smith? One thing Alex Smith HAS proven in his career is that he can handle adversity. He's the least of my worries.

Except we aren't "stuck" with Albert. We can STILL trade him or better yet convince him to play LG. Signing him long term at LG solves everything.

Fisher is not going to allow total pressure of 17 this year.

He'd be a rookie of the year candidate if he did that.

I'm guessing he gives up at least 17 pressures and probably 3-4 sacks.

And that's being optimistic.

Expectations are way too high.

Make them battle it out in TC and unless Fisher is noticeably inferior as a rook start him at LT. Albert gets sloppy seconds at this point.

Except I am not ANGRY about Fisher. I like the kid a TON.

I am also not ANGRY about Albert. I simply don't overvalue him. GoChiefs has two gears... LOVE or HATE.. he can't comprehend someone like me just LIKING Albert.

Lastly, I'm not angry about Alex Smith. I think it sucks that he was our only decent option this year but it is what it is. I would love a QBOTF to get drafted... but that doesn't make me dislike Smith at all. I liked him at San Fran and thought he constantly got a raw deal.

I have zero anger.. I just want to look at what is best for our FUTURE as team. Playing guys constantly out of position and shuffling shit year to year is not what's best.

Wish Albert would acquiesce and make the move to LG or RT.

We'd have the makings of a great OL.

We do.

Just stick Fisher at RT and Albert at LT for five years and forget about it.

None of this guard BS.

We need top talent at RT to stop Von Miller anyway.

NOT RT! I have massive doubts about his ability to play there at a high level. I COMPLETELY understand why he doesn't want to make that move. It's not just the loss of prestige and money. Switching sides is a complete bitch.

I'd much rather get a true RT and get Albert as LG.

Not going to happen. Albert will play LT and Fisher to RT. Next off season we will do this all over again. Albert will be tagged. Will attempt to trade him. But next season Fisher will move to LT and we will make that known to Albert to to take the best deal or else its RT pal.

Holy crap. You seriously want to play the #1.1 pick at RT and pay 5 years of top 5 money to an above average guy to play LT. The same guy that no one else in the league wanted to pay and give up a 2nd rounder for.

Credibility gone.

I am not saying that WON'T happen.. but it sure hell SHOULDN'T. You simply don;t risk ****ing up the #1.1's development by starting him out of position. Hell, play Fisher at LG if you have to but don't start him at RT for his first experience of the speed of the NFL.

Well, we made this bed, so now we have to lay in it.

I'd rather go OT-RT than upgrade LG with the 1.1. Even dumber, no doubt.

This isn't anger at the Smith trade.

I am not speculating what the Chiefs will do.

I am commenting on what I believe is the best way to go about building a consistent winner over the long term.

Since I have little faith that Alex Smith is the long term answer at QB, I don't care how the long term development of the line affects Alex Smith.

So it sounds more like you are basing this on some emotional hatred of the Fisher pick and man-love for Albert. I, on the other hand, am trying to look at what is best for the team.

Who says Fisher is going to beat out Stephenson? Who says Albert is going to beat out Stephenson?

I'm telling you right here that Stephenson was going to be in the conversation as the first tackle off the board in the 2013 Draft if he stayed in school. He was markedly better than Lane Johnson on the same team and he's already got better feet than Albert.

His combine numbers, especially his burst numbers, were absolutely sick.

6'6"
35" Arms
312 lbs.

40: 4.94 seconds
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad Jump: 114"
3 Cone: 7.52 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.78 seconds

compared to Eric Fisher:

6'7"
34 1/2" Arms
308 lbs.

40: 5.05 seconds
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad Jump: 116"
3 Cone: 7.59 seconds
20 yard shuttle: 4.44 seconds

Stephenson is an athletic freak for a man his size, even moreso than Fisher, and he's got very, very good footwork.

Considering that Stephenson was thrown into a game situation with zero reps with the first team, I think he performed quite well last season. He showed good movement and a very good first punch. He's got a very good kick step as well. (Something Branden Albert has never had.)

I know that the immediate knee-jerk reaction around here is that if a guy wasn't drafted in the first round it means he isn't going to amount to shit, but Stephenson would have definitely been a first rounder this draft if he stayed in school and could have gone before Fisher or Joeckel.

I've already said it, but Stephenson is going to blow up this year.

I could care less where they put him this year if it means we can develop a truly nasty "**** you" offensive line, especially in Reid's system. I'm not above moving the number one overall pick around if opens up the screen game. He'll be the left tackle for the next ten years anyways.

And let's be clear here.

There is no one that has advocated as strongly as I have for Albert at LT.

If I am suggesting that the long term future of this team is served best by moving him to LG, then there can be no better proof that I've moved on from anger to just doing what I believe best serves the team's future.

I hate the Fisher pick, but the reality is he is here.

We need to use that resource to improve the team.

The best way to do that is to have bookend tackles.

**** this guard bullshit.

thats not what I want to happen, just reading the tea leaves. I say **** Albert and start Fisher at LT.

We have two premiere pieces of the offensive line now. I want Albert at LT for this season, and Fisher at RT. Only fair to big Albert. With Fisher at RT it will give him a chance to get some confidence as he didn't exactly square off against the prime competition while in college.

The problem is that moving from left to right is far more difficult than any of us can really understand, and Albert hasn't learned fully the proper technique to play LT even still.

The best shift for him, and the Chiefs, would be from LT to LG.

This feels a lot like dejavu...

I only wish we had this conversation when we had the opportunity to draft a true elite level prospect at the OT position...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1027...okung1_200.jpg

Imagine how "jelled" this line would have been with Okung at LT and Albert at LG for the past three seasons.

I'd be fine with that if Albert agrees to sign and his back holds up.

In terms of NFL contracts, left guards are far more important than right tackles. Couple that with the fact that coming out of college, Albert seemed like he could be an all pro guard or a high ceiling project at left tackle and it seems if he is gonna move to the next most important spot on the line, he will go to LG.

By all means, put inferior talent at RT.

http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/85...78-650-366.jpg

Reminds me of the Seahawks/Chiefs game where Derrick Thomas set the NFL record for sacks in a game with seven and the Chiefs still lost.

Why are some of these guys not understanding this?

Chiefs have already played their hand anyway.

Schwartz was practicing at LG.

Fisher will be a RT.

LMAO
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Fisher will play where HE is damned well told to.
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Haha

So in YOUR opinion, we should put a rookie LEFT tackle (who comes from a smaller school and hasn't faced big time talent before) into a completely new position (that has completely sufferer technique) because in YOUR opinion that makes us better than putting a near GOD MODE offensive line out there by signing a vet like Clabo and lining up like this:

Fisher
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Clabo

Haha

This isn't a video game, asking a rookie left tackle to play on the right side is a great way to hurt his transition.

Let the rookie play the position he was drafted to play and put Albert at his next most useful spot...the one he played in college and projected as a pro bowl quality player.

After this year the only way Albert plays here is if it's at G or RT. The rookie will get a year at RT and then Albert can switch positions or switch teams...

Not according to GoCHiefs.. he wants Albert long term at LT.

The only way I see Fisher being a long term RT for us if if the impossible happens and Stephenson EXPLODES this year and is our clear best LT. Then you move Albert to LG (or trade) and Fisher goes RT. Reid gets his Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan. Not a likely scenario.

That's not the impossible at all.

As I stated earlier, Stephenson, had he stayed in school, was going to be in the mix as the first tackle taken in the 2013 draft. He was better than Lane Johnson on the same team. He's already got better feet than Albert.

Add to it that Fisher is coming out of a small school, he's going to have an adjustment period that might be substantially greater than a lot of D1 tackles. (And even top level guys take a couple of years to "get it," e.g., Albert.)

Stephenson is going to blow up. It is a very likely scenario:

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Schwartz
RT: Stephenson

They'll put Fisher at LT, and Albert will have to play LG to help protect the rookie against DE/OLB stunts and bull rushes by DTs.

Most likely why they picked up Braden Wilson and his blocking ability.

That's the line I want Sacc.
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So?...

You don't think that's happening this year, do you?

Yep.

Ya'll might as well accept it, though.

Schwartz is the LG.

I seriously doubt that...

im really glad Jeff Allen, a 2nd round pick investment will be rotting on the bench it seems

bang up job wasting high round draft picks on nothing

Dude you keep on with this...

The guy who did it got FIRED.
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This is what happens when regimes change, they don't give 2 shits about how anyone was acquired.

Jeff Allen sucks

By the way if Albert is on this team for the season there's no ****ing way he's not playing LT. The most likely scenario you get for this year is..

LT Albert
LG Schwartz
C Hudson
RG Asamoah
RT Fisher

That pretty much has to be the line I'd think.

Didn't Asamoah play LG in college and had to switch because we weren't going to move Ryan Lilja?

Why not switch Asamoah back to LG and keep Schwartz on the right side where he's been his entire career?

Gun to the head.

They could do that, I really so no way in hell that Albert isn't the LT though.

I'd say Mecca's line there is probably what we are looking at, unless they can kick Albert in to LG (doubtful they do, but who knows, IIRC, Bad Guy said something about it).

I'm actually really excited about the talent we have up front. It's all young too.

The only way Albert is playing guard is if he gets a long term deal first and he's basically the highest paid guard in the history of the NFL, so a guard with LT money.

What did Levitre get this year? I can't remember.

Not as much as Carl Nicks did last year.

Albert was very adamant about staying at LT, so I wonder if he's gonna still have that attitude?

He's gonna have no choice but to play where Reid tells him. If he decides he's holding out, then he's gonna lose some serious cash.

I'd hate to give him that type money for a guard, when he hasn't played it in so long.


Maybe play him there, with the thought that if all goes well he'd get that type money?

However, if you weren't willing to play him at LT this year with that price tag, you trade him for what you can get, ala, the 54 pick instead of the 42.

I just dont' see a way he doesn't play LT this year.

I personally wouldn't at all be surprised if Albert got a new deal. They could have easily worked the fan base into accepting a OT first when that was the plan all along.

Do you keep him at LT though?

What?

The casual fan was all in, and has been all in, on LT in the draft for 4 years.

They weren't selling jack to the fan.