Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645559)

With the small exception of large swathes of morons that, for the sake of this discussion, I shall call "Christians". Other than that oppressed minority, you're right. There are non-christians that have a problem with homosexuality also, I suppose I shouldn't leave them out.

You'd think people that believe a sky fairy answers their prayers (and often times the prayers of people they know from internet, if what goes on here is any indication) would be more open minded. Alas, it is not so.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9645562)

One thing I found interesting in this story is that Collins has a twin brother who is not gay.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645552)

LOL, they have no interest in "peace". They want to force their agenda on people who frankly don't like it. Nobody cares if Collins is gay or not. But dammit, you WILL hear about it and you WILL accept it! If not? Then you're an awful evil person who should be executed or jailed. Even the NFL just issued a tolerance demand on their teams yesterday.


Soon they will be added in the protected class, i.e. affirmative action and quotas. You heard it here first. Remember me when Congress starts up the debate in about 10 years.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9644109)

What was wrong with his tweet? I don't see anything remotely offensive about that.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645564)

It does make you sorta laugh that the very people who demand "stay outta my bedroom!" are the first ones to blabber endlessly about what they do in their bedroom.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645564)

It does make you sorta laugh that the very people who demand "stay outta my bedroom!" are the first ones to blabber endlessly about what they do in their bedroom.

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9645569)

Me either. I love how when anyone goes against the PC crowd, he gets the 1st stone thrown his way. Like his opinion doesn't even count.

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9645569)

Me either. I love how when anyone goes against the PC crowd, he gets the 1st stone thrown his way. Like his opinion doesn't even count.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645571)

He isn't talking about what he does in his bedroom, he is talking about who he is as a man. It's everyone else talking about what he does in his bedroom.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645573)

Eventually you're going to be unable to legally oppose gays. It will happen eventually. It'll be treated as a "hate crime" and even your religious views will be trumped by Federal laws. Chris Broussard at ESPN is in danger of losing his job now.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645572)

He's copping it because he's a category 10 moron and decided to publicise that fact without any real need to do so.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645571)

He isn't talking about what he does in his bedroom, he is talking about who he is as a man. It's everyone else talking about what he does in his bedroom.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645571)

He isn't talking about what he does in his bedroom, he is talking about who he is as a man. It's everyone else talking about what he does in his bedroom.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645580)

In order for this conversation to be over, and for this to be a non issue, someone had to do what's he's doing. Someone has to break the ice so to speak. For whatever reason, he decided to be that guy. Its not becasue hes a moron. It had to be done regardless of what you think.

Now hopefully in time, these kinds of discussions will be irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645580)

In order for this conversation to be over, and for this to be a non issue, someone had to do what's he's doing. Someone has to break the ice so to speak. For whatever reason, he decided to be that guy. Its not becasue hes a moron. It had to be done regardless of what you think.

Now hopefully in time, these kinds of discussions will be irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645552)

LOL, they have no interest in "peace". They want to force their agenda on people who frankly don't like it. Nobody cares if Collins is gay or not. But dammit, you WILL hear about it and you WILL accept it! If not? Then you're an awful evil person who should be executed or jailed. Even the NFL just issued a tolerance demand on their teams yesterday.


Soon they will be added in the protected class, i.e. affirmative action and quotas. You heard it here first. Remember me when Congress starts up the debate in about 10 years.

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9645580)

In order for this conversation to be over, and for this to be a non issue, someone had to do what's he's doing. Someone has to break the ice so to speak. For whatever reason, he decided to be that guy. Its not becasue hes a moron. It had to be done regardless of what you think.

Now hopefully in time, these kinds of discussions will be irrelevant.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645559)

With the small exception of large swathes of morons that, for the sake of this discussion, I shall call "Christians". Other than that oppressed minority, you're right. There are non-christians that have a problem with homosexuality also, I suppose I shouldn't leave them out.

You'd think people that believe a sky fairy answers their prayers (and often times the prayers of people they know from internet, if what goes on here is any indication) would be more open minded. Alas, it is not so.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645596)

Good for him, now it's time to move along. When is Tebow coming out?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645597)

Help celebrate an historic day for gay rights by taking a big, runny dump all over 80% of the population! Grab your brushes...the broader the better!

I'm a 34 year old white male. I am straight. I am married. I have two young children. I am upper middle class. I am a man of faith. I live in Kansas. I support equality of rights. There are others like me.

Guess what? Without people like me, gay rights never would come as far as it has, and it will never get where it needs to go. At this point, gay rights zealots are the biggest enemies of gay rights. Instead of celebrating all of the many factors at play which have made yesterday's events possible, they have chosen to further marginalize themselves.

There's a reason that, while I support the cause at the ballot box, I'm not going out of my way to gin up support. I'm simply not going to stand shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of hateful pricks.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9645600)

Sigh. Another attention whore is just what we need.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9645585)

Really? And just what do you think defines one as being gay? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645602)

Who? Tebow?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645603)

Are you only straight while you're having sex with a woman?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645597)

Help celebrate an historic day for gay rights by taking a big, runny dump all over 80% of the population! Grab your brushes...the broader the better!

I'm a 34 year old white male. I am straight. I am married. I have two young children. I am upper middle class. I am a man of faith. I live in Kansas. I support equality of rights. There are others like me.

Guess what? Without people like me, gay rights never would come as far as it has, and it will never get where it needs to go. At this point, gay rights zealots are the biggest enemies of gay rights. Instead of celebrating all of the many factors at play which have made yesterday's events possible, they have chosen to further marginalize themselves.

There's a reason that, while I support the cause at the ballot box, I'm not going out of my way to gin up support. I'm simply not going to stand shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of hateful pricks.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9645607)

Would you have a problem if a gay planeteer started chronicling his dates in a CP thread?

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9645606)

Well that's when the definition of straight/not straight occurs (well that or when one is having naughty thoughts)

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645612)

Yes the Christian American theocracy is totally on board with rights equality. It's actually the gays' fault they aren't making faster progress. I need to start paying more attention, clearly.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645615)

I do hope this is trolling.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9645621)

Homosexuals will never be "equal" with heterosexuals.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645625)

Isn't there an oil well you can go masturbate in?

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645625)

Isn't there an oil well you can go masturbate in?

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9645614)

No, because that is a relevant topic to that thread.

However, if the planeteer started his or her own thread and it just said "HAY EVERYONE IM GAI SO EVERYONE POSIREP ME" I'd be a bit annoyed, as I am here.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9645630)

It's only relevant because Buck started the thread in the first place. Collins is starting a new public thread.

Collins public statement is noteworthy because it's such a rarity. When it becomes more commonplace, no one will be coming out in the pages of SI. I just don't see much reason to be annoyed by Collins' action. I agree with Saul Good that there is plenty to disagree with when it comes to other aspects of gay rights activism though.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9645628)

Probably, but what I stated is accurate, if unpleasant for some.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645514)

Yeah, it's been just awful. Everyone is just gay bashing in this thread.

The most interesting thing to me about this whole story to me is that so many of the gay rights supporters seem pissed that there is so little outrage. I haven't seen anyone freak out over a gay athlete, but I've seen plenty of people bashing religious people for being hateful.

I support the cause, but the martyr complex is out of control. I would think that the narrative to come from this would be that a gay player came out and was almost universally accepted.

The most negative reactions so far seem to be people saying "who cares" or Mike Wallace saying that he doesn't get why a guy would want to get with another guy. I don't see anyone grabbing a rope. This is a perfect chance for gay rights activists to extend an olive branch, but it's just another occasion to throw stones, it seems. Keep wondering why the cause is progressing so slowly, though. It must be everyone else's fault, especially those piece of shit bigoted, hateful Christian mother****ers.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645633)

Doesn't really matter to me. I'm straight... not sure how you come up with the "They will never be equal to us" thing though.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9645632)

OK so Collins is the OP. :thumb:

Will his thread turn out to be one of the megathreads that has to be archived, closed, and continued in a new thread?

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645633)

Doesn't really matter to me. I'm straight... not sure how you come up with the "They will never be equal to us" thing though.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9645618)

What RIGHTS are gay people lacking in the USA besides the marriage thing (which is in debate, but will probably fall soon)?

While uncomfortable and unfortunate, being mocked or ridiculed does not impede upon one's rights.

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9645645)

Oh, I get it... you're slow. Totally. I was under the impression you were a dumb redneck, but it just hit me you are a full on reerun.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645612)

Yes the Christian American theocracy is totally on board with rights equality. It's actually the gays' fault they aren't making faster progress. I need to start paying more attention, clearly.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9645636)

I didn't come up with it.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645652)

Well.. it did come out of your mouth.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9645621)

Homosexuals will never be "equal" with heterosexuals.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9645652)

Well.. it did come out of your mouth.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645659)

This seems to be an argument of semantics along the lines of "two dimes and a nickel will never equal a quarter". What purpose does it serve? I suppose you could argue that things can be equal without being identical, but that is just more semantics.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645659)

This seems to be an argument of semantics along the lines of "two dimes and a nickel will never equal a quarter". What purpose does it serve? I suppose you could argue that things can be equal without being identical, but that is just more semantics.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645597)

I am a man of faith. I live in Kansas. I support equality of rights. There are others like me..

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9645664)

I'm not arguing for equality.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645565)

That's almost as crazy as having a twin that was the opposite sex

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645670)

It is odd that you'd pick and choose what part of "faith" you'd want to accept. If one part of the bible is false, aren't they all?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645671)

I don't know that anyone is arguing for "equality" in the sense that they want gays and straights to be identical.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645676)

I don't think that having a belief that God exists requires a literal interpretation of the Old Testament, no.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645670)

It is odd that you'd pick and choose what part of "faith" you'd want to accept. If one part of the bible is false, aren't they all?

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9643607)

Not a very brave person. Waits until his 34 and a free agent currently out of the league, probably not ever to play again. Not sure why this is news, he's not really an "NBA player". He's a formber player. And that's the point of this coming-out stuff. Has to be someone with something to lose, else it's not bravery.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9645682)

What does the bible tell you to do about gays? What does it tell you to do about other groups that don't believe the same things you do, like Jews and Buddhists? Doesn't it allow you to let them live their lives without condoning their beliefs/practices and leave it for God to judge them?

I'm asking because I don't know.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645678)

Or the New?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645651)

You sound like a PETA member screaming slurs at people walking into KFC. Most people who eat meat still object to animal cruelty, and the vast majority of Americans eat meat. Most people of faith still object to gays being discriminated against, and the vast majority of Americans identify with one religion or another.

It may feel good to throw red paint on someone wearing a fur coat, but nobody has ever watched that happen and decided to change their ways and support the activist. Nobody witnesses your histrionics and decides "that guy just trivialized my belief in God while calling me a piece of shit...I should deeply consider his point of view."

I guess, if you aren't catching any flies, add more vinegar.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645685)

I'm not sure it really matters what the Bible says, folks like Saul don't read it anyway.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645688)

You act as if there isn't an awful lot of anti-gay noise coming from the christian right in absolutely every forum in which it could possibly originate. Holy shit there are members of congress who can't get with it and actively campaign for discrimination against gays. They inevitably rush to the bible as the authority for their claims.

Don't act like it's one or two bad seeds that make the christian brotherhood look bad when it comes to not accepting lifestyles that the bible (it seems) condemns.

And no, mocking christians is not the same as mocking gay people. Christians choose to believe that stuff.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645691)

I see a lot more posts attacking Christians today than I see attacking gays.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9645690)

I think you're under the false assumption that belief in God means taking a literal interpretation of the Bible.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645685)

I'm not sure it really matters what the Bible says, folks like Saul don't read it anyway.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645688)

You act as if there isn't an awful lot of anti-gay noise coming from the christian right in absolutely every forum in which it could possibly originate. Holy shit there are members of congress who can't get with it and actively campaign for discrimination against gays. They inevitably rush to the bible as the authority for their claims.

Don't act like it's one or two bad seeds that make the christian brotherhood look bad when it comes to not accepting lifestyles that the bible (it seems) condemns.

And no, mocking christians is not the same as mocking gay people. Christians choose to believe that stuff.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645688)

You act as if there isn't an awful lot of anti-gay noise coming from the christian right in absolutely every forum in which it could possibly originate. Holy shit there are members of congress who can't get with it and actively campaign for discrimination against gays. They inevitably rush to the bible as the authority for their claims.

Don't act like it's one or two bad seeds that make the christian brotherhood look bad when it comes to not accepting lifestyles that the bible (it seems) condemns.

And no, mocking christians is not the same as mocking gay people. Christians choose to believe that stuff.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645696)

Yeah. 10 Commandments aren't really literal, do as you please. And Paul's NT writings were just his own personal thoughts, nothing really meant by any of them.


It would be really odd to justify the belief that a supreme being implanted his "son" into a woman in 4 BC and he was crucified and rose from teh dead. I mean, you believe that literally but not some benign everyday teachings. That blows me away.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9645702)

Does that make anti-Christian hate acceptable to you?

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9645696)

Yeah. 10 Commandments aren't really literal, do as you please. And Paul's NT writings were just his own personal thoughts, nothing really meant by any of them.


It would be really odd to justify the belief that a supreme being implanted his "son" into a woman in 4 BC and he was crucified and rose from teh dead. I mean, you believe that literally but not some benign everyday teachings. That blows me away.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9645700)

Mocking is mocking no matter the group. You seemd to have lost that in your tidy explination. When one who thinks as you do mocks a group as you did - it's justified. So Typical. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9645709)

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645711)

Where did you get "hate" from?

Hatred is stupid. Calling homosexuality immoral because the bible said it is a sin is also stupid. Anyone that carries on with that caper deserves to be mocked, yes, much as you might mock someone that thinks 9/11 was an inside job and feels the need to tell you all about it on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by HMc (Post 9645694)

That poor minority, the christians that choose their faith. However shall they cope?