Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860425)

Alex can make the 20 yard throws when he is WILLING to do so. I never said he "couldn't throw", I said he "wouldn't throw". In SF he always seemed to read from short to long. On some deep patterns with Vernon Davis, that would often be the 1st read and when they connected, it was heaven -- but all too often, Alex read from short to long, taking what he could short without evaluating what was available long.

If Alex could ever overcome that game day caution of fearing an INT and just go out and attack DBs by throwing into windows, I think he would be OK. It seems to be mental with Alex, rather than limited by his physical skills.

In SF, he just never showed that attacking mentality, willing to challenge the secondary. With the one exception being the Saints Divisional win in 2011, when Alex had his back against the wall and said "screw it" and just ATTACKED

The sad thing is, he showed some of that in 2006, his sophomore year, the year before his severe shoulder injury. Since recovering from the shoulder, he just doesn't want to attack. He wants to play it safe as Harbaugh beat into him.

He has the skill, he just limits himself by playing too timidly. It doesn't help that his arm strength does allow DBs to close on the ball on deep passes. But it is not like he has a noodle arm either.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860425)

Alex can make the 20 yard throws when he is WILLING to do so. I never said he "couldn't throw", I said he "wouldn't throw". In SF he always seemed to read from short to long. On some deep patterns with Vernon Davis, that would often be the 1st read and when they connected, it was heaven -- but all too often, Alex read from short to long, taking what he could short without evaluating what was available long.

If Alex could ever overcome that game day caution of fearing an INT and just go out and attack DBs by throwing into windows, I think he would be OK. It seems to be mental with Alex, rather than limited by his physical skills.

In SF, he just never showed that attacking mentality, willing to challenge the secondary. With the one exception being the Saints Divisional win in 2011, when Alex had his back against the wall and said "screw it" and just ATTACKED.

The sad thing is, he showed some of that in 2006, his sophomore year, the year before his severe shoulder injury. Since recovering from the shoulder, he just doesn't want to attack. He wants to play it safe as Harbaugh beat into him.

He has the skill, he just limits himself by playing too timidly. It doesn't help that his arm strength does allow DBs to close on the ball on deep passes. But it is not like he has a noodle arm either.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9860449)

A guy like Avery can open up those shorter routes too. He can FLY.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9860446)

The good news is that Reid's offense, theoretically, is built for a QB to read from short to long.

When he ended up with guys like Jackson and a cannon-armed (scattershot) passer in Vick, he opened it up a bit because Jackson refuses to run underneath routes and Vick can't throw short anyway. But given his druthers, I think Reid would prefer an offense that is precisely tailored to Smith's strengths.

We shall soon see...

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860466)

Remember, as a 49ers fan, I really need you guys to go 9-7 so we can have that 2nd round draft pick.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9860475)

he still has durability issues no matter how good he looks

his shoulders made of glass and his head is one more concussion away from some serious career evaluations

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 9860269)

It's funny how the Geno Smith ball-washers jump all over any report that Eric Fisher is struggling in camp and piss and moan about what a mistake it was to draft him, but they ignore a positive report about Alex Smith or dismiss it as irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9860248)

Teammate strokefest. Great practice everybody was great what a great day!

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9860479)

100% legitimate criticism.

2 shoulder surgeries and a concussion history should scare anybody.

But strong arguments tend to be weakened by refusing to acknowledge legitimate counterpoints. When guys sit around and act like this dude is Matt Cassel 2.0, it's just silly. The guy does a ton of things extremely well.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9860311)

I have never questioned Alex Smith's accuracy or ability to be an upgrade from Matt Cassel. This report doesn't surprise me in the least (right down to the awful writing from KCChiefs.com).

The test will be how Smith performs once the lights are on and the games matter. Will he make the TOUGH throws that you have to make to win games against good teams with strong defenses? Will he be more aggressive with the ball? Will he stay in the pocket more and scramble less at the first sign of trouble?

Those are the questions I want answers to, though I fear I know them already.

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 9860486)

yep pretty much ROFL

It seems by the fan reports the D has been pushing them around up there- so maybe this is a way to pat the O on the back for a day? :hmmm:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9860482)

Still wouldn't have given two 2nd round picks for him.

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9860452)

Partly true. Remember when he earned his job back from Hill? He was throwing it down field and everyone was talking about "wow, where'd this Alex come from?" and then it vanished again..probably coached down as they went back to up the middle 3 times and a cloud of dust.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9860454)

I noted that in the Bray thread as well (I used it as my defacto Camp thread).

Avery was unbelievably fast out there. He really was a breed apart from anybody else on that football field.

I noted it in one of these Smith threads, but Smith throws a pretty 'run under' deep ball. A guy like Crabtree never had the gear to run under a deep throw, rather Smith would have to rocket it into a seam and let Crabtree use his body to fight off DBs. Smith just doesn't have the arm strength to do that well.

But the tape shows a QB with very good touch downfield. And if you can get a WR that can flat out pull-away from his DB (and Avery absolutely can), Smith can take advantage of that, IMO.

Time may make a fool of me here, but I really do think that his skills with this coach and this personnel group are going to allow Smith to really excel.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9860505)

Completing a lot of passes in one practice isn't special.

http://kan.scout.com/2/774851.html

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9860229)

There you go, Coogs.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9860481)

"Eric Fisher struggling"

CP reaction: JFC you stupid mother****ers you should have drafted Geno!!!!! How could you be so ****ing stupid!!!!

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9860397)

And all of them were similar style backs to Charles. We've already seen exactly what he does with back like Jamaal.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860510)

What the **** ever.

I can't wait until the season begins. You'll flip flop quicker than Liberace in an orgy.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9860508)

Alex Smith is a just more athletic version of Steve DeBerg or Dave Kreig. Just a game manger who excels at running MartyBall. When you open it up you will get burnt. Play MartyBall and you can win with Smith, any other style and its a dangerous situation.
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9860520)

Not unless Alex Smith becomes a QB who makes plays.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9860481)

"Alex Smith wows with accuracy"

CP reaction: It's just training camp. What else is this stupid insider supposed to write?

"Eric Fisher struggling"

CP reaction: JFC you stupid mother****ers you should have drafted Geno!!!!! How could you be so ****ing stupid!!!!

LMAO

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9860447)

what do you mean, "he read short to long"?

Are you saying he disregarded the progressions that are built into every play and just looked at the short options?

Is it possible the deeper options simply weren't open?...because he was chucking it deep quite a bit when I was there.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860510)

What the **** ever.

I can't wait until the season begins. You'll flip flop quicker than Liberace in an orgy.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9860533)

There is no reason for every starter to look average to good in training ****ing camp.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9860516)

What? Give them 220 carries and 60-70 receptions per season? Sounds perfect for a back like Jamaal.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9860454)

I noted that in the Bray thread as well (I used it as my defacto Camp thread).

Avery was unbelievably fast out there. He really was a breed apart from anybody else on that football field.

I noted it in one of these Smith threads, but Smith throws a pretty 'run under' deep ball. A guy like Crabtree never had the gear to run under a deep throw, rather Smith would have to rocket it into a seam and let Crabtree use his body to fight off DBs. Smith just doesn't have the arm strength to do that well.

But the tape shows a QB with very good touch downfield. And if you can get a WR that can flat out pull-away from his DB (and Avery absolutely can), Smith can take advantage of that, IMO.

Time may make a fool of me here, but I really do think that his skills with this coach and this personnel group are going to allow Smith to really excel.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860537)

17 for 20 with 3 TD's is merely average?

That's an 85% passing percentage.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9860545)

Without seeing what the hell happened I'm assuming that's good and what is expected. That's what should be expected out of most NFL QB's in training camp. Most NFL starters should be owning in camp, if not they are likely a liability when live rounds start to fly. Not just QB's but pretty much every position. Unless they are established players, just not taking shit seriously than I would be concerned.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9860225)

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...a-a4b423d11a12



Alex Smith's Accuracy Sparks Chiefs Practice
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aaKansas City Chiefs QB Alex Smith wowed the crowd with pinpoint throws

Kansas City Chiefs QB Alex Smith didn't care that the skies were again overcast during practice on Monday; likely because his accurate throws would've outshined the sun, had it made an appearance.

Smith was on-point, nearly perfect, unofficially completing 17 of 20 passes for three TDs during the roughly two-and-a-half hour practice.

"It’s a reflection of the group,” Smith said. “O-line was great today; it starts with them. They did a good job communicating, especially in the blitz period, third down, everybody was on the same page and then there were guys making plays outside. We got off to a good start but really, I think the spark came from the guys up-front."

Among the many pass-catchers Smith connected with on Monday, Chiefs TE Anthony Fasano continues to play at a very-high level. Smith threw to Fasano three-straight times, late in practice, including one TD.

"He's such a dependable guy, so reliable," Smith said of Fasano. "He has such a great knowledge of the game, a great feel for it, defenses and how they’re playing him and he uses his body so well. He continues to make tough catches. He’s what you’re looking for in a TE, that reliable guy that continues to be open, time after time."

Another of Smith's targets was Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe, whose best catch on Monday was a one-handed grab in 7-on-7s.

"That’s just him making me look good," Smith said. "There’s not much to it. I threw it up there and let him do the rest."

Bowe described the play from a different perspective.

"No, man," Bowe said of Smith's pass. "He put the ball right on the outside; he saw the inside leverage, and our job is to catch the ball; it happened to be a one-handed catch, but it was a great pass by Alex."



Bowe also shared how he's feeling just days away from the team's first preseason game of the year.

"I’m feeling good,” Bowe said. "We’re going against the best every day at practice, so when we get to the games, we will be ready."

Following Smith, Chiefs QB Chase Daniel stepped in Monday and continues to move the ball effectively, highlighted by his completion to a determined Chiefs TE Tony Moeaki on a third-down play in the red zone.

"Chase did a great job of getting the ball out quick," Moeaki said. "I was just trying to get the ball vertical and it was a third-down play, so getting the first down in the red zone, that’s huge. We as a TE group feel that’s where our number should be called; we’re just trying to help the team score."

Later in 11-on-11s, Chiefs QB Ricky Stanzi closed out the drill with a beauty of a throw for a TD to Chiefs rookie WR Frankie Hammond Jr.

"It was a great throw by Ricky,” Hammond Jr. said. "I kind of pinned the guy inside and he just made a great throw and I went up and got it."

Like the other Chiefs rookies, Hammond Jr. is ready and waiting for his opportunity to shine on Friday night.

"Definitely,” Hammond Jr said. "It’s just ‘lay it out all on the table’; you’ll only get so many opportunities in these preseason games, so when we get out there, we have to make the most of them and go out there and play hard."

The team played hard yet again today, which caught the eye of Chiefs head coach Andy Reid.

"Good work today," coach Reid said.

"This is our fifth day in a row of full contact and going. This is our longest stretch; we’ll have another day tomorrow. So, the guys pushed through a big red zone day today, big 3RD-and-long day today. I thought they traded back and forth, challenging each other and working hard.”



Part of the hard work paid off for the defense in 11-on-11s, when Chiefs DB Otha Foster III was in the right place at the right time for his pick-six INT.

"I was playing free," Foster III said. "The guy dragged across and the QB threw it to him, bounced off his shoulder and landed in my hands. We were going full contact, all the way, tackling to the ground and that’s why I ran it all the way back."

Foster hopes to carry the defensive momentum with him into Friday's road game against the Saints.

"I feel good about that because it’s close to my hometown in Louisiana," he said. "I’m going to have a lot of family there and they love the Saints, except when I’m playing; they’ll be on my side (on) Friday.”

The Chiefs return to the practice field tomorrow, before a day off on Wednesday, travel day to New Orleans on Thursday and then, the real fun begins Friday night at 7:00 PM CDT, from the Mercedes-Benz

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860537)

17 for 20 with 3 TD's is merely average?

That's an 85% passing percentage.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9860545)

Without seeing what the hell happened I'm assuming that's good and what is expected. That's what should be expected out of most NFL QB's in training camp. Most NFL starters should be owning in camp, if not they are likely a liability when live rounds start to fly. Not just QB's but pretty much every position. Unless they are established players, just not taking shit seriously than I would be concerned.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860470)

Actually, it's 8-8

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9860567)

Uh...what?

Do you believe the defenses are training dummies in TC?

The D-line and LBs are absolutely hammering away at the O-Line and getting into the backfield. DBs are flying around knocking stuff away.

What exactly is it that makes you think training camp QBs are essentially playing video game football back there? What you're describing is nothing remotely close to what actually happens.

No, Tom Brady doesn't sit back in training camp during live scrimmages and throw 85% every day. He's throwing against guys that have hundreds of thousands dollars (if not millions) on the line. The defense has to go out there and excel just as the offense does and if the QB is throwing 85%, those guys on the other side of the ball are about to lose their job.

And that's why it doesn't happen.

You're just out to lunch on what training camp looks like.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9860481)

"Alex Smith wows with accuracy"

CP reaction: It's just training camp. What else is this stupid insider supposed to write?

"Eric Fisher struggling"

CP reaction: JFC you stupid mother****ers you should have drafted Geno!!!!! How could you be so ****ing stupid!!!!

LMAO

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860510)

What the **** ever.

I can't wait until the season begins. You'll flip flop quicker than Liberace in an orgy.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9860577)

Agreed ! Can't wait to see this happen.


Clay, you gotta quit being so negative !

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9860487)

I think he is an efficient starting caliber NFL QB. Like Trent Green but still not Trent Green level yet, a couple more healthy good seasons will get him there

Concerns: injury history, takes sacks.

The end. The thing about the long ball and stuff is useless arguments, the guy obviously can make NFL throws, not 50 yard Vick/Cutler like bombs but Tom Brady and Peyton Manning cant even do that. He's a smart QB with the ball, I don't know if he makes the right reads at the LOS all of the time though, what other reason would there be for him to take a sack, he is mobile so I find it hard to believe his pocket awareness is, that bad. I think theres just certain blitzes or matchups that get him on specific sides of the line.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9860262)

It's nice to hear that Alex Smith is picking up right where he left off in San Fran. It's also no surprise that people continue to dismis his effort.

Yet if he had been 10 for 20 with 3 INT's, the haters would be out in full force.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9860515)

Nice strawman. Have fun beating the crap out of it.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860575)

Classic. QFT. :clap:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9860545)

Without seeing what the hell happened I'm assuming that's good and what is expected. That's what should be expected out of most NFL QB's in training camp. Most NFL starters should be owning in camp, if not they are likely a liability when live rounds start to fly. Not just QB's but pretty much every position. Unless they are established players, just not taking shit seriously than I would be concerned.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860586)

Nope. He was dead on. He nailed it. Praise Alex in camp and it is just "whatever, crap filler from TC". Criticize Fisher and all the chicken littles take cover.

Not a strawman at all. He nailed you guys! Center of mass.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9860596)

Eric Fisher and Alex Smith are fine, respectful, young heterosexual white men with lucrative careers, and are excellent role models for children who come from nuclear families. They're bright spots in a league full of criminal minorities, and should be honored and respected by everybody on this forum.

Isn't that right?

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9860607)

If five years from now Eric Fisher were to become the next Tony Mandarich, and I posted a comment about how it was stupid of Reid and Dorsey to even consider him the top overall pick, a bunch of reeruns like you would say, "You're just butthurt the Chiefs didn't draft Geno."

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860614)

You're damn straight, Skippy!

http://www.shitpeoplewear.com/wp-con...te-Bikinis.jpg

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9860639)

:Lin:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860626)

I'm NOT a Chiefs fan. I couldn't care less about KC beyond the BBQ and my sister lives in Belton & her husband & kids are Chiefs fans. I'm a 49ers fan just here to chime in over 49ers stuff, like Alex & stuff. Eric Fisher means NOTHING to me. Geno means nothing. You are talking to the right guy.

All I know is that other poster nailed it when he glaringly contrasted the over-reaction to Fisher's woes vs the under-reaction to Alex's report of success. He nailed you guys. Has nothing to to with Eric Fisher per se or fine white heterosexuals. It was about the people here going apeshit nuts over Fisher being a bust when he's learning a new position in his NFL infancy vs. people getting a good report about Alex and dismissing it as worthless.

He nailed you guys for the hypocrisy. That's all I know. It is just typical sports Fanatic forum stuff. Welcome to "fandom".

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9860639)

:Lin:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860626)

I'm NOT a Chiefs fan. I couldn't care less about KC beyond the BBQ and my sister lives in Belton & her husband & kids are Chiefs fans. I'm a 49ers fan just here to chime in over 49ers stuff, like Alex & stuff. Eric Fisher means NOTHING to me. Geno means nothing. You are talking to the right guy.

All I know is that other poster nailed it when he glaringly contrasted the over-reaction to Fisher's woes vs the under-reaction to Alex's report of success. He nailed you guys. Has nothing to to with Eric Fisher per se or fine white heterosexuals. It was about the people here going apeshit nuts over Fisher being a bust when he's learning a new position in his NFL infancy vs. people getting a good report about Alex and dismissing it as worthless.

He nailed you guys for the hypocrisy. That's all I know. It is just typical sports Fanatic forum stuff. Welcome to "fandom".

Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9860648)

I have friends in Belton.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9860639)

:Lin:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860654)

Nice place. It was nicer before the urban sprawl came down to almost swallow it up. My sister's place is behind a horse farm -- well just a big farm really but we can see their horses running around. It used to be on the edge of rural nothing, then during the housing bubble, they just built and built. My sister is not happy about it, but whatchagonnado?

Every time you try to get away, 20 years later, you aren't.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9860653)

There's a slight difference between not getting wildly excited about a camp report and "dismissing it". The last 20 years have done a pretty good job of teaching people to limit their positive reactions.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9860620)

You guys remember draft day 2012? The utter implosion this board went through after the Poe pick?

I've never seen a more universally disliked player/pick in my entire time on Chiefs Planet. It made the Larry Johnson pick look like a ****ing little girl tea party.

Surely a player that pissed so many people off would go through the same criticism as Alex Smith when he's playing well in training camp? Right? Nobody likes Alex Smith, so when he does well in training camp, it's ignored. That's how this shit works, right?

Well gee, everybody seems pretty ****ing erect over Poe's play in training camp thus far. The homers and the critics alike both love what he's doing.

HMMMMMMM. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9860648)

I have friends in Belton.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860614)

You're damn straight, Skippy!

http://www.shitpeoplewear.com/wp-con...te-Bikinis.jpg

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9860624)

Has the look of a monster in a premium position on our defense?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9860578)

I'll be positive when the Chiefs give me some hope. Not until then.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9860693)

IIRC you had a lot of hope the day Reid was hired.