Yup

We aren't??? Last time I looked we are 1-0. Once the season is over, then you may have merit.

nailed you.

Seems pretty lame to bother doing that with a guy who will be above average at best. His ceiling is Schaub.

Disagree completely. The Jets have Santonio Holmes, Kellen Winslow Jr. and Stephen Hill. A rookie is still a rookie, on a short week in crap weather.


Happens. Moving on. Now he has 10 days to watch tape, and get better. He HAST TO get better pocket awareness. He looks like ALEX SMITH back there.
Tyler Bray? Hell, it would of been awesome for Geno to get drafted to a team that he could of sat behind. Like the Chiefs. Bray will be really good because of his slow learn.
Actually, they are doing both.
Tyler Bray. you know, the guy you were all excited about in the preseason?

He is still here.

I don't think Pam knows that much about anything. Just a brat who didn't get what he wanted. Needs a pacifier.

Nope, ull see. Its the same shit just a different year. I've seen this play before. Some words may be changed but its always going to end the same. Just watch.

What?

Are you factoring in just how PATHETIC the AFC is this year?

People are jumping down his throat because they're annoyed at the handful of posters that had his choco penii in their mouth for months. It's more about laughing at a select few idiots than it is about hating Geno.

Why can't you all just be happy with trading for other people's castoffs? Over and over again.

Can't argue with that. Actually I think Geno's ceiling is the same as Alex's. Good but not great. Why waste a first round pick on the same ceiling, when one still has a lot of work to do?

Yes... If not I would have stuck to my 6-10 at best. That's what I initially had but teams aren't as strong in the AFC this year.

You act as if the fans are the one who made the move, not a GM, owner and coaching staff.

We practically did we gave up 2-2.

Did we have to spend a first rounder to do that?

If Alex Smith was the QB of the Jets tonight they win that game.

Because Alex Smith has never demonstrated that he's good enough to win consistently if everything doesn't go his way. And that includes outstanding support from a top 10 defense.

Alex is going to have to ****ing prove it before he gets any kind of longterm support like Trent Green got. Otherwise we're just shitfarting around until he gets too old.

Or gets another concussion and is forced to retire.

The Chiefs defense is so strong that they are going to be in a lot of games. This could very easily be a 10 win team.

The AFC is just dog poop.

No dumbshit, I'm acting like some of the fans here haven't seen this movie 5 times in the past 20 years.

Whether we picked him up or not, it's really too bad, for him, the Jets did.

At the time nobody knew. But who would play for you? Geno and his 3 bonehead picks? You have a stout defense, a good oline, a great RB, and good special teams. Why throw that down the drain for one position? Why not get a decent to good vet to win you games and possibly make a playoff push?

Its possible if the defense holds up. If they can somehow be like the niners d of last year maybe. I have a feeling Jamaal Charles is not gonna last the season because of captain check down

We've done this before, in case you hadn't noticed.

Well then Brock, you should submit your resume for GM. Or buy yourself a team.

Perhaps then you will understand how things work sometimes.

You've seen for yourself in this thread the attitude that Chiefs fans take towards rookie QBs.

Geno mania was half about getting a young QB in here with some pretty decent potential and half about changing the mindset of this franchise for ****ing good.

The instant the trade rumors were announced at the NFL combine, that effort died horribly, which is pretty sad. Just once I'd like to place some of my hope in the future of this franchise. Just once.

Geno may become a very solid NFL QB. But it's clear that he wasn't worthy of 1.1 and he's not ready to be an NFL starter.

It's too bad he didn't go to a different team so that he could sit on the bench for a few years but that's just not reality.

that's possible. Would be really helpful if Gray, and Knile took some of the burden off of Andy Reid.

Its amazing that people are still OK with the same plan. Itns like the Hunts in the offseaon ask the coach and gm and say OK guys let's try to win the Superbowl the hardest way possible.

Take that tired logical fallacy and **** yourself to death with it

Yeah, and Cleveland has spent three first round picks on QB's since 1999 and what, exactly, has that done for them?

There is no "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Yeah, you really told me, didn't you.

Yes he is... Guy still has tons to prove. But that's why games are played. I remember hearing this same stuff before he led the team to the NFCC 3 seasons ago. This is nothing new.

It gives u the best chance to be a good team year in and hear out there. There are exceptions to every rule of course. The common denominator in 90 percent of it all is elite qb's

Again, so were back to elite or bust, cause they're the only guys who can win consistently when things don't go their way.

So what's wrong with the bray route? He's got the elitest potential

Elite QB don't grow on trees. No QB was worth taking with 1.1 so who would you drafted?

What has spending three first round picks on QB's since 1999 done for Cleveland?


Your number is wrong.

Making bad picks =/= don't ever draft qbs.

All of you IDIOTS who wanted Geno Smith at 1.1 are special...

He mentioned a good point.

He made too many throws behind his receivers. His accuracy was a bit off tonight.

*He has a ways to go

Sighs. Thanks Dane. FML. Brandon Weeden.........

Because picking a right tackle at 1.1 is a genius move...

Could have easily traded down.

Bray is a ****ing douche and a lottery ticket. That is the same as Ted White shit under Gunther.
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Dumbass parrot post awesome!

With WHO? You cant say Miami. If that was the case they were already talking about trading them Albert. So, no, to trade, you have to have someone to TRADE WITH.

I don't think teams wanted the first pick.

Sure.


But again, here guys are either elite or they suck. Why not swing for elite?

And I'm not sure what being a douche has to do with winning football games.

Detroit took a QB 1.1 you're a ****ing dumbass who keeps repeating the same tired points.

It's mutually exclusive

Are you telling me NOBODY was interested in the first overall pick at today's bargain prices? That's bullshit.

So, you're not interested in debating this subject?

Okay.

:rolleyes:

Not being a douche at the most important position is pretty important.
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Pure speculation

Who's happy with it? Some of us are realist and understand if a guy can't beat Syracuse he's likely not beating New England either.

It really hurts kaepernick. Or Rodgers. Or Big Ben.

Being stupid? Yeah problem.

A douche? Not so much

On the whole, he looked like a rookie with potential to me. He made some great passes and when he was off the mark, the Pats punished him for it. He didn't hesitate to drop the ball in tight windows. The sacks he took largely could have been avoided, but he will develop that over time. Additionally he was slow through his progressions, which again will come with time. I think the jets are looking brilliant with this year's draft. I mean, Millner was toasted a few times - but outside of that.

Also, Bray is a goddamned moron. If he grows up, he has high upside. But frankly, I doubt he will.

Why would have any team been interested in the #1 overall when there wasn't a clear #1 player and teams, for the most part, could just sit tight and the players they wanted?

Miami was dumb to trade into the #3 spot and the Raiders still got their guy. The Jets got a DB and a DT. The Eagles got a tackle, as did the Jags.

Which team was going to trade into the #1 spot and for whom?

Outside of Couch, they haven't drafted one in the top ten either. Makes a difference.
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So, 21 year olds never mature?

Oh, you're right. Case in point.

Nobody wanted Alex Smith either guys Andy Reid and John Dorsey traded two 2s for fun.

It's a pretty simple calculus, you want to use Cleveland's lousy picks at qb to discount the fact that super bowls are won by qbs with the team that drafted them. KC has tried trading for qbs over and over again and it never works out. It isn't debatable.

We have no clue what an Alex Smith team would look like if his defense was just middle of the road. He morphed into this ideal game manager QB butterfly when Harbaugh took over, and that's what we've been told we need to compare him to, and not the Alex Smith that he was before that.

It would have been far more of an interesting experiment to see him get traded to a team like Buffalo or Cleveland. Those defenses aren't terrible, but they're nothing close to what Smith had in San Fran.

Or hell, let's go all the way and put him in Jacksonville. Talk about sink or swim.

I'd like to think he could keep a team going. That if Andy Reid and John Dorsey really do build a consistent winner with Alex Smith at the helm, they can keep winning even when decimated by injuries or if they have to let guys go because of salary cap issues. But we just don't know. From what I've seen in his San Fran career, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

The wild card is if he improves and becomes a better QB. He absolutely could. Then it's a matter of how much better.

Yeah, spin it.

You ****ers know damn well Albert's future with the team was still in question.

The only thing I liked about the pick was that it wasn't Joeckel.

ROFL Well clearly that post didn't get you butthurt or anything.

Yes and no. Rodgers was a late rounder.

The fact remains that some years are good for first round QB's and some are bad.

This year wasn't good.

Trading for Alex Smith is mutually exclusive to trading for Matt Cassel.

You are such a tool Dane. At no point did I say he would never mature in absolute terms. I simply said I doubted he would.

Na. Just trying to fit in ****ing place.

Based on?

Honestly, I'll defend Geno in this case. When have the Jets EVER been a good offensive team? Rex Ryan's whole mantra is run the ball, and play defense. Geno went to a terrible situation, and unfortunately his career will suffer for it. I bet you anything you put him on almost any other team, he is better. Marty Morningwheg as my OC.... yeah, that's awesome....lol

That's cool. Keep pretending to know more than anyone else so that we'll all be reassured that you're an immature, moronic twat.

I'm talking about Cleveland. They are just dumb ****ers to begin with. Both times they took Qbs they traded back up to do it. Going the safe route with Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson, two of the best draft prospects ever and true fan wet dreams, haven't won them shit.
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Did you WATCH the game?

If you did, JFC...

You're talking two different owners and three different GM's.

And drafting Brandon Weeden with a first round pick is mutually exclusive to reaching on a QB.

It isn't mutually exclusive because it's just the latest in a long line of this exact move. The only time it almost paid off was when zubaz pants were still in fashion.

And that's the fault of Thomas, the best lt in football, and Richardson?

Based on the fact that he's a know-nothing twat