He won't bring a 2. If he woudl, yeah, make the move.

I'm hoping he can be a really good slot CB.

This is true. If I have a chance to unload an undersized CB with mediocre speed whose dings have advanced to the point of injuries...particularly injuries to both legs...I take the second round pick and run.

Dorsey just picked up two stud CBs in the off-season. Flowers is a luxury at this point.

Getting a 2 plus shedding his contract? Dorsey would fall over laughing at such good fortune.

He's fine. Well let cooper and smith deal with the big receivers. Not many receivers flowers has issues with. Hell the only reason Andre Johnson beat him in '10 was because he was pushing off with his elbow

Don't you think he's pretty valuable in matching up with Denver?

If you could get a second round pick? Maybe, but that ain't happening. I'd keep him. He's a talented CB (not a shutdown corner, but not many are), and he's pretty damned good when healthy.

Valuable? Absolutely...if he's healthy

More valuable than a second round pick that could be used to improve our offense plus his salary that could be used to sign/retain FAs? Not even close.

Name the slot corners in the NFL for whom you would trade a second round pick if we had one and Flowers had a career ending injury.

If this group of guys continue to play like this for the balance of the year and into to playoffs proving they are truly an elite D, which I think they will. You keep as many of the front line guys as you can.

No trade you can never have to many corners.

He's usually healthy and on the field for 14-16 games a year and he's only 27. He can play inside or outsidei The money could be valuable, but who knows what you get on a possible mid to late 2nd round pick. No thanks. You're talking a top 10 CB in the NFL.

Although Flowers has mediocre top-end speed (i.e. over 40yrds), he has ELITE short area quickness and change of direction which are ideal for a slot corner.

nfl combine 10yrd dash: 1.47s
pro-day 20yrd shuttle: 4.08s
pro-day 3-cone drill: 6.72s

for comparison
Jamaal Charles is 1.46, 4.22, 6.80 respectively
Kniles davis: 1.49, 4.38, 6.96
patrick peterson: 1.49, 4.07, 6.58
Darrell Revis: 1.46, 4.08, 6.56
Richard Sherman: 1.58, 4.29, 6.72

Flowers is very physical cb which prevents most receivers from blowing past him (which helps limit his limitations going deep), he also is aggressive against the run, and is instinctive in defending against passes which allows him to play bigger than his size.

And that is why you are not a GM.

Just take a look at the chiefs history of 2nd round picks chosen with multiple GMs and multiple head coaches. most are busts.

its a passing league, and its important to have more than 2 good corners. By the way, what management experience do you have?

Nope. And honestly I don't understand why this is even a question. The way to build your team is through the draft. Why the Chiefs seem to think that trading or not signing our good players away is a good idea, I will never understand. Tong G., Jared Allen and Brandon Carr should have never been allowed to leave.

Uh...

Jared Allen became Branden Albert and Jamaal Charles.

Trading players for picks is a ways of building through the draft.

That said, Flowers is only 27. Why trade him for a second round pick we'd have to use on a slot corner? It makes no sense.

I'd rather Eric Fisher for a bag of hog jizz.

No one will ever remember Trezelle Jenkins after this pick...

Trading for Axl Smith/Trading Flowers away:

Which idea is the dumbest this season? You make the call.

"This week on 'Inside The NFL' with Len Dawson and Nick Boner****ti:

"The Greatest Herp-a-Derp ever performed with a 1.1 pick"!

Suggesting trading Flowers should be equal to asking to have yer' scrote kicked before every home game at the gate...

This. One for each ball.

Release Flowers and then we're one injury away from suck.

I don't think so !

No. As long as Peyton and other elite qbs are in the league with passer friendly rules you need 3 to 4 good cbs.

Quit thinking about ole nfl mindsets. To beat the elites you have to use man press and get after the cb. If not they will just disect defenses.

Link.
The last I heard was that they had not but if Atlanta called they would listen. That is not us TRYING to get Gonzo back.

Thread has no poll because then the stupid would be that obvious...

boo this man

If Axl ever goes on IR, you better pray that Danielle is about two plays behind him...

I doubt he ever plays a game...

Someone go to another team's message board and see if you can find anyone willing to give up a second round pick for a 5'9 slot corner with injuries to both legs who ran a 4.55 at the combine eight years ago.

You should probably mention that he makes over $8,000,000 per year, too.

LMAO

Looks like i am late to the party here..but absolutely not!

would you happen to be talking about the guy who, on 6/28/2013, PFF rated as the #3 overall CB over the last 5yrs?

profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/06/28/five-years-of-pff-grades-top-10-cornerbacks/

You're a fountain of suck.

Or you could just say Brandon Flowers.

Maverick,

I'm pretty sure you are a card carrying member of a board for 3/4 of the leagues teams. Go check it out please.

That's an engineering impossibility. You lose.

Same guy...only now he's five years older, has injuries to both knees, and is the third best corner on our team.

He's still a good player, but he's not "turn down a 2nd round pick and pay him $8.3 million per season" good. It's a moot point, though. Not a single team in the league would offer us a second for him.

The 810 interview from Monday

Flowers ranks behind Charles Woodson (#2) and ahead of Champ Bailey (#4). Those guys are probably also worth second round picks in trade, right?

Flowers has always been underappreciated by this fanbase and its scary to see how much Chiefs fans are so sure that Cooper and Sean Smith will maintain that level of play for the rest of the year, let alone the next few years.

Sean Smith was more or less appreciated in Miami as he was inconsistent, you never know when that inconsistency might show up again.

Just last year, the Chiefs had that guy Stanford Routt who was a top 10 CB in Oakland the year before and look how that turned out.

I wont even talk about Cooper who has so much to prove.

Those guys are ancient.

It's a shame how much some of you get your hopes up that much after a 7th round pick has 3 great games and are ready to part ways with a CB who has been a top 5-10 CB for the last 5 years when he misses one or two games.

Flowers 27
Woodson 37
Bailey 35

And based on that ranking of 5 years those guys were playing at that level for 5 years after 30 and you're wanting to ship Flowers off at 27-28?

I still think he's the best CB on the team and I thin the Chiefs do to if they are matching him up with Dez Bryant.

Wait... what? Charles is like 80 percent of the Chiefs offense who's on pace for nearly 400 touches playing on a cheap contract. Are you suggesting this would be an unprecedented move? If so I'd encourage you to pay better attention. Ray Rice did the exact same thing.

I thought the new CBA quashed hold outs.

The defense hasn't missed a beat without Flowers. Suggesting moving a player to improve other aspects of the team makes me dumb?

This place melted down when we didn't draft geno smith too.

Truth be told Carr isn't worth 50 million and the defense in dallas isn't that great. The chiefs are the best in the league.

The fact is if you can improve your team by making a move you do it.

Which guys below make the team better than Flowers?


Rodger Saffold
Chris Cook
Dexter McCluster
Nate Allen
TJ Ward
Arrelious Benn
Koa Misi
Torrell Troup
Rob Gronkowski
Sergio Kindle
Lamarr Houston
Zane Beadles
Linval Joseph
Daryl Washington
Jimmy Clausen
Taylor Mays
Javier Arenas
Toby Gerhart
Jason Worilds
Jermaine Cunningham
Carlos Dunlap
Sean Lee
Mike Neal
Terrence Cody
Ben Tate
Montario Hardesty
Golden Tate
Vladimir Ducasse
Patrick Angerer
Charles Brown

This is ridiculous to make a statement like that based on ONE GAME. Was Flowers ever supposed to be the difference maker against that Raiders offense??

Wait till we face the Broncos without Flowers and Welker rapes us... wait till Sean Smith has a couple of bad games a bit later this year.

Can't think of one good reason this thread is longer than one page.

because people like to hear themselves talk, err, type

Hell no.

Flowers is a proven commodity and will help against Denver.
He is the perfect slot CB when healthy. In a passing league nickle CBs stay on the field like 60% of the time or more. He has a lot of value for us.

It hasn't been just 1 game.

Well you are cherry picking here but to answer your question:

Rob Gronkowski and Dunlap. You could make a case for several others like Ben Tate since we don't have a back up to Jamaal Charles.

Yeah me either its not like this is a place to talk football.

I just picked a draft that guys had a chance to establish themselves a bit. 2010 was the first and only one that I've looked at.

Gronk is the only guys you can say for sure would offer more than Flowers at this point. No way on Dunlap and a backup RB or a top 10 CB? Serious?

I don't know if any of these guys make the team much better.

Yeah, the point was you have about a 10% chance at best of finding a comparable player. A bird in the hand and all that jazz.

Just looked at 09. It's about the same. 3-4 guys that catch your eye and McCoy is the Gronk of that class.

Yeah, but it's right up there with making a thread titled: "Is Cassel the best QB to ever play the game?"

Could it be discussed? Sure...but why?

Flowers is a better player than Ben Tate however if Flowers were out the rest of this year the Chiefs would still have the best defense in the league.

If Jamaal Charles goes down who do we have? Ben Tate is a nice player who's only a backup because Arian Foster is one of the best backs in the league.

So tell me in 2014 how does John Dorsey make much needed improvements to the offense with limited gap space?

Even with the guys selected, I'm still not sure how much more value/impact they'd have than Flowers (sans Gronk, injury and all). It'd be nice to have another absolute monster playing ILB next to DJ but I'd rather be 3 deep at corner.

No one is going after Gordon. Hes pretty much untouchable at this point.
Just because YOU didn't know who Marcus Cooper was doesn't mean the rest of the league didn't. He wasn't cut because he was garbage, they cut him because they wanted him on the practice squad.
He was in a numbers game, and lost. If they had known Culliver was going down like that, he never would of been cut.
For all of Alex Smiths faults, one of his more attractive traits, is his light salary.

Cutting Chase is far more the likely answer.

I'm down with cutting Chase.

Fine cut Chase, turn the keys over to Bray and keep Alice as the backup. Improve the offense and save some money.

God DAMN I love this idea!

When healthy, Flowers is still the best cover corner on this team. He does struggle against taller receivers, but he's still one of the better corners in this league. If someone came by offering a first, I'd take it. I don't like the idea of trading some of your best play makers though. Especially when your team is vying for the playoffs.

Lol

Kill yourself

You first.

Ask me today and I'd take a 5th rounder for our entire secondary

Seriously, **** you.

Even when Denver gives us catches we can't catch shit.

Davis is fast