I agree, though my opinions on cut blocking have no changed.

I support it, but not under the current rules. It still allows guys to cut defenders from 'blind spots'. They cut guys from behind and if their helmet is in front of the knee it's legal. I don't like that. Personal opinion though.

Manning can't throw with power anymore so this is their main offense. It was these plays all night tonight.

There were numerous instances of OPI tonight that went uncalled. I blame the NFL for putting Manning on a pedestal.

Poe = pedestal destroyer

The era of Manning Entitlement is about to come to a bloody close.

if our defenders see a pick coming, they need to launch into the receiver.
they also need to jack any receiver coming over the middle, or otherwise, that are in the 5-6 yd range. whether they're getting the ball or not. hell, even if the play has already passed to a different receiver, jack the dude in the chops.

If Denver thinks for one minute that our defense is coming for anything other than blood, they are out of their goddamned minds.

Alex Gibbs is a consultant there now, IIRC.

Which receiver?

Additionally, you can see "designed picks" from spacing concepts as well as "dragon" (see Direckshun, the WC terminology is finally breaking through).

I kind of hope they do this to Houston and he lays a shoulder into Decker's facemask at full speed. I'm certain they will throw the flag on us, but Decker may not run the picks with as much enthusiasm next time.

Beat the ever living **** out of Manning. If you don't win this week, it'll greatly improve your chances a couple weeks down the road.

Because it got them 2 lombardis.

I love this idea.

First time they try it put them on a future class action concussion suit.

These plays are a ****ing joke. Decker willfully engages and starts blocking a guy against SanDiego downfield 3 seconds before Tremens catches the ball leading to another bullshit TD.

EXACTLY! The deal is they run them ALL the time as well as flat out offensive pass interference plays - week in & week out. I used to get livid YELLING at the TV, but ever since they got away with it a ZILLION TIMES against Dallas, I realize there is no hope of the refs calling it and kinda just watch it and take it up the ass like the team they're playing against. It's really a ****ING JOKE.

Bump for the homers and dick suckers to try and refute.

You ask a team that used to spray themselves down with slick impossible to grab cooking spray (and probably still do) while they are cheating the cap-why they run these illegal plays? Because the NFL turns a blind eye to it.

Once Manning retires- the NFL will clamp down on it.

I would say the first time they run the illegal pick play and get another trash TD off it, Manning gets a hit in the knee-Bonecrusher style. I think they will get the idea-play us fair and stop being cheating dickweeds.

Let's separate it into 2 different issues.

I agree with the people that say pick plays are common and used by a lot of teams. I don't have a big beef with "rub" routes.

But what you are saying here isn't a pick play. Decker was blocking a DB 10 yards downfield BEFORE the ball was thrown. That should be OPI, plain and simple.

If you can't do it in pee wee ball how do the cheating donks get away with game after game? Not too mention the blantant holding by their offensive line.

I found this... don't know if it's a repost, if so - oh well. And, I have no idea who runs the site.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ag-whats-a-rub

A soon to be butthurt fool, that's who.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...peyton-manning

Here's another that talks about the matchup and the rub/pick deal.

Sorry, but this guy is a dumbass.

By his OWN DEFINITION, what the Broncos are doing should be flagged.

"Actually, there's a real distinction between rubs and picks, but it's a little bit subtle, and it's probably too much for the average Chiefs fan to grasp. A legal rub occurs when neither receiver in the concept hits a defender. An illegal pick occurs when an offensive guy does directly hit a defender; on that type of play, offensive pass interference should be called."

Yep, Peyton's gonna have to rub one out all day to beat KC.

Andy is smart. If you cant beat it, do it yourself and let the refs try and call OPI on us in primetime.

You should just put me on ignore, li'l lady. You obviously have issues with something I said a while back, but you lack the balls to say what it was. So, just keep up your whining and belly aching.

I honestly think it's a fine line between a rub and a pick. and I honestly think some teams have a wider margin than others.
I think that a majority of the time the Broncos will get the benefit of the doubt.

That's EXACTLY the case. It's VERY CLEAR even through orange colored glasses and Mule Tool vision.

If it's a blatant pick, I hope they just call it... you guys are already prepping for a dozen non-calls on OL holding and now the picks. There's no lack for excuses for Sunday should the Chiefs fall flat.

If they're pushing the limits to maximize what they can do, legally - then by all means, keep doing it.

I agree (with the keep doing it if they're not calling a penalty part)

If the Chiefs lose, it won't be because of non-calls. It will be because they got beat.

It doesn't make what the Broncos are doing anymore legal.

This sums it up nicely.

MHM and I had a civil discussion about holding a while back. Here is the conclusion we came to:

When a fan watches their team, there are certain areas in which they concentrate. When our team is on defense, we watch the line very close while the QB is in the pocket. Obviously we are going to see every hold.

When on offense, we watch the QB until he throws the ball. We are fairly oblivious to our OLine unless they **** up.


Next time you watch a game, watch the other team's defensive line. You would be amazed at how much our team holds, and it will give you some perspective.


Now, the pick plays are a completely different animal all-together.

Romeo is the one who can own PM.

There are dozens of holding no-calls every game. It's not even really new anymore. Every team holds. Hell, they teach linemen that way - instead of instructing them on how to no hold, they instruct them on proper techniques to NOT GET CAUGHT.

The only thing that makes the pick plays different is that they aren't called or not called with the same uniformity that holding calls are.

I've seen other teams do what Denver is doing and they get called for it. But it's not the Broncos. When Peyton Manning was in Indy, the same thing happened.

2 and 14 Romeo was crap

Yep. It has indeed followed Manning. A point I made early on in this thread. The Colts used to abuse the "rules" (and the Texans) when he was there. In fact the FIRST game where the Texans beat the Colts, they made it an issue before hand...

Why not just knock them off the line of scrimmage & disrupt the pick itself?

Run right through them. Force the issue.

If they start calling defensive holding/PI penalties, it will bring it to a head.

If the picks are like the ones in the gifs, this will do two things:

-Take the defender out of the play even more

-Open up the possibility of DPI, illegal contact, or defensive holding being called

It won't force any issue, because the offensive players will be acting legally.

Picks are typically used with bunch formations, making any physicality at the LOS difficult.

When the offensive player initiates contact with the defender, they're not acting legally.

Calling a penalty on the defense is only going to highlight the issue more.

And a holding penalty within 10 yards is far better than giving up a 55-yard TD.

True. However, there are exactly zero examples of an illegal offensive play in this thread.

Has it happened? Sure.

Have other teams committed the exact same offense? Of course, every team has.

I'm not sure what you think the Chiefs will highlight, I'm sure the league is aware that mis-timing the blocking on these plays (which have been in use for 30-odd years) can result in illegal actions by the offense.

It seems like Denver runs these plays more often than most teams, so they open themselves up to possible penalties more. I might expect them to lead the league in OPI penalties. Well, how about that. They do.

Seems silly to me. Wish they'd just make pick plays legal. Everybody would have equal ground then.

Better than having it illegal and teams run it anyways (all while pretending not) and get all upset over it when it happens to your team.

In the animated GIF in the OP, TWO Denver players make contact with defensive players. That's against the rules, no matter how much you want to justify it away.

And I'm not suggesting the Chiefs are solely responsible for highlighting this, they just happen to be on the schedule this week. If defensive players start running THROUGH the picks, instead of trying to avoid contact - especially if players start getting injured as a result - you can bet your ass the league is going to take a look.

Of course, the league could always just make pick plays completely legal too. At least then it's completely clear. As it stands, it's poorly enforced.

Yep.

And if that doesn't work, have our DB's start blowing them up when they set a pick.

JFC ROFL

I wish they would show the games like that.

So, what's the O/U on the number of times you guys scream foul about pick plays on Sunday night?

I think we should set it at a dozen.

We should also set the O/U on OL holding to 8, I think.

15 & 18 is my guess. :)

Denver has always pushed the limited on being cheap and cheating

used to be blocking
now it's picking


it's the constant contribution to the referee's retirement plan that keeps it happening

Again, if they're stretching the lines legally - go for it. If they are doing something illegal, then flag 'em.

Which will be way less than the number of times your WRs jump up and scream for a flag.

I see a lot of whining for flags from a lot of teams.

Eric Decker whines more than pete

...and the plays like the one against Eggo definetely help change the outcome of games....especially when your QB can only throw ducks downfield.

Only throw ducks... Right.

LMAO

Remember that hit Berry leveled on STL a while back? I really, REALLY hope Decker earns one of those.

ROFL There's ALWAYS ONE, and you're it... :bong:

All contact is illegal? Did this change?

Aside from the fact that it's the best in league history so far, our passing offense is pretty disappointing.