I think it's more than a little cynical to dismiss a rape allegation in large part because the attorney for the accuser is an alumnus of a rival school. :spock:

I suggest you start running all of your children's Halloween candy through a mass spectrometer, then.

So the odds of Jameis Winston being innocent of rape are comparable to my child having razor blades in his Halloween candy?

Star****ers that's why

Have y'all heard the new FSU war chant?

Noooooo ooooooo means nooooooo. Noooooo means nooooo oooooooo.

You can always spot the date rapists in threads like this.

That isn't what I am saying. I'm saying that all rape allegations should be taken with the utmost seriousness, until proven otherwise.

he was a star when it was reported?

Yes, a starter for FSU that's bigtime campus cred. Even before the Heisman run

For anybody who thinks that prosecutors and police won't cover up for big time football programs needs to read this book:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

LMAO

You're changing your story, and you know it. Nobody said rape allegations shouldn't be taken seriously, so don't hide behind that strawman.

Either Winston is a rapist, or she is falsely accusing him. You flat out said that women lying in this situation are so rare as to be irrelevant. If that's the case, you must believe that Winston is guilty and that his trial should be merely a formality.

I don't agree, and I doubt the Duke lacrosse players agree.

OU pulled their offer to him fairly early in the process. They didn't say character concerns, but usually it is either that or grades. Texas was also very high on him and then passed pretty quickly.

He grew up an OU fan and made statements to that effect as a Junior when asked what schools he liked.

Do you have a link to anything showing that they pulled his offer? Preferably something from before he committed to FSU...

Many thought it was unbelievable that Texas didn't know about his interest.

This was months after OU stopped recruiting him. I and other OU fans didn't understand why they stopped recruiting him completely and focused solely on Trevor Knight.

Jameis Winston wanted to go to Texas but was never offered: “Dang, I’m good enough for Alabama & Auburn but not good enough for Texas”

— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) September 3, 2013



Jameis Winston: “I’m an OU fan but I always wanted to go to Texas. If I’d gotten offer from Texas I’d be going to Texas right now”

— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) September 3, 2013

I've heard the Texas part. I haven't heard that Oklahoma pulled their offer.

OU was going to take one QB. It looked like it would be Gunner Kiel with Jameis Winston as a slight possibility during the spring. They completely backed off Jameis and focused hard on Knight who was an aTm verbal.

Knight committed in July before their Senior year.

I don't know why OU backed off or why Texas didn't offer.

I don't see anything stating that Oklahoma pulled his offer.

I lol'd.

Like OU- it wasn't character related.

- Pro baseball concerns... though he only ended up a 15th rounder. Not really much of an impact

- They had a long-standing verbal commitment from Connor Brewer, who was a highly regarded recruit who didn't work out. He was also a December grad and enrolled early

- They put all of their attention into c o 2013 QB Tyrone Swoopes who committed in February of his Junior year. Swoopes was considered a 5-star by most sites until a poor senior year.

So...there are articles written before he committed to Florida State saying Oklahoma pulled the offer?

"So rare as to be effectively irrelevant" to the consideration of the credibility or all rape cases. That's what I said. Remember when you posted this: ?

I was responding directly to that. I don't question the credibility of any rape accusation. It's a very small number of false accusations that happen. Gigantically larger is the amount of legitimate rapes, and also larger is the number of rapes that go unreported for a variety of reasons owing to rape culture. I mean, read a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture That's not a phrase I'm making up. That's some real shit.

If I were to question the credibility of all rape allegations because of the (let's be generous and say 5%) few false allegations that get made then I'd be contributing to the victim-blaming, she-was-asking-for-it, her-fault-for-drinking mentality that basically teaches boys in this country that rape is OK.

So I have no real statistical reason to disbelieve this woman's allegations. And I have good moral reason not to disbelieve her either. If Winston is innocent then I hope the facts proving him so will come to light.

There's no way they pulled his offer. It's more than likely that the interest wasn't reciprocated and they moved their attention elsewhere. Like all teams do. If by some miracle he would have changed his mind and reached out to Stoops, he'd be a sooner.

In recruiting, 98% of the time it has nothing to do with what teams the player watched growing up. These aren't aren't die-hard fans (hence, liking OU, but interest in playing for Texas).

There is no reason for anybody to state that. OU stopped recruiting him focusing on Kiel and Knight. In early June OU didn't pull their offer to Kiel, but stopped recruiting him and then landed Knight. A month or so later Kiel signs with Indiana over ND and MU.

You don't see anything stated any school pulled an offer very often. Schools aren't telling anyone who they've offered and who they haven't. Players tell recruiting services who has offered them.

You only see offer pulls if someone verballed and then the team recruited over them. Where an explanation has to be made, and even then that usually results in somebody just switching schools.

Of course only the SEC over signs and then they usually grey shirt.

Bottom line is Winston wasn't interested in OU. Bogus question of character concerns.

Agreed

This is enough to cost him the Heisman no doubt! His silence and his denial then change of story speaks its own dialog. Voters will def look at this very hard. Mante Teo's imaginary girlfriend last year was embarrassing enough Jameis may not even be considered a finalist

But the bigger question is if it will deny him a shot in the NFL. His draft stock will drop but unless he's in jail, he'll be on someone's roster.

Hardware is nice but let's be honest, money is better.

When did he change his story? Did I miss that?

first he said he didn't know her then said it was consensual

Link? Can't find it. Doubt it's true or it'd be looking much worse for him.

hell I read it in one of these threads...

many people have referenced it.


first he said he didn't know the victim, then when dna came out he said the sex was concensual

Certainly possible, although it didn't seem like it while following the recruitment.

Recently it seems like nobody is interested in OU, that wasn't the case 2 years ago recently removed from Sam Bradford.

Well that info doesn't appear to exist. I think someone on here misinterpreted something. His story has been consistent as far as I can tell.

are you saying he said he had sex with her right off the bat?

BRC Says otherwise

I went back and read the post. I don't know where he go that info. Odd statement when nobody seemed to know about the case. I guess he lives around there? Reporting gossip? That may be relevant, but it's not anything that has been confirmed.

You have to be in BRC's secret email club to get that information.

Haha. He's Such a huge bullshitter. It's embarrassing. But if he does have gossip, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to hear it. Reading the FSU boards has been fun

State's Attourney's office holding press conference tomorrow at 2pm EST, in which it will be announced whether or not the state pursues case against Winston.

Which is weird. This has got to mean that he's not getting arrested, right?

Unless they are planing to arrest him between now and then.

But I would think it means no charges at least for now

What is this, Maury Povich? Is Winston going to dance around and high five people in front of a crying accuser if it is determined than Jameis will NOT be charged?

They're going to use the time to explain why they're going to wait to arrest him until after the BCS NC game...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m

Jameis Winston not charged after sexual assault investigation.

State Attorney wearing a Seminole tie.

I'm so shocked that the cops just couldn't find a reason to charge a football player in Tallahassee in the run-up to a possible national championship.

State Attorney basically said that the victim has gaps in her story where she can't remember specifics and didn't think he could take the case to trial and win as a result.

Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 10m
It's Fla RT @NickMensio: Very weird RT @MichaelDavSmith 2 men laughing through a presser abt rape investigation. Sick pic.twitter.com/xbzvSLbxyR

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So he PIIHB and later she decided she didn't like it?

Hope none of the females in your family ever get raped. She immediately reported the rape. This could discourage future rape victims from reporting rape. Not surprised another athlete jobs the legal system.

The guy on the left makes me think of Donger.

As this contribution illustrates, Chiefsplanet is a microcosm of the devastating rape culture in this country.

Too bad you couldn't fit the word rape in there a few more times.

An OU fan that always wanted to go to Texas? The ****?

Thank you for your interest in my post. Have a great day.

So she got a train ran on her and later regretted it?

DAAAAAISSSY Needs justice.

I admittedly know nothing about the legal system, but there's no way the accuser's attorney can... I don't know if this is the correct term, but "appeal" the decision to not charge Winston? I know citizens have legal rights and this is probably one that falls under a double jeopardy sort of thing, where the law can't rule one way and then come back and say, "Actually, just one more thing..." Yes, I know double jeopardy is a thing for accused persons, not a factor in deciding if you're going to charge somebody.

That's just what makes this thing so damn bizarre. This wasn't a thing about determining guilt, only if the courts wanted to investigate a crime. They decided no. I'm wondering what avenues the accuser's attorney has to go through if he believes that's a bullshit ruling. Are there any avenues at all?

Civil suit. Or request a federal civil rights investigation.

So she had DNA samples from Jameis and her boyfriend. Sounds like a nice girl who's obviously getting unfairly maligned here

Can she bring a civil lawsuit against him?

I had heard that she was cheating, got caught and cried rape. That came from an FSU student though so it's probably just a bunch of bullshit.

They're about to play in the national championship game and he's the main reason why. Of course they aren't going to further pursue the charges.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/20...insman-photos/

Photos of the victim apparently. Idk how to bring up photos so I'll just provide the link. Jameis should've went for the friend if he was gonna get all rapey.

I'd hit it. I'd just ask first and get her to sign a release form.

At first she didn't want any charges brought against him after the 1st allegation...

She better pray he doesn't bring one against her.

What does that matter?

Holy hell.

There are WAY, WAY, WAYYYYYY, WAY, WAYYYY sexier chicks at FSU. If you're gonna rape you may as well make it worth it!

They found DNA evidence of another male and were able to identify him and talk to him.

So either she had consensual sex with one and not the other or with both because there is has been no mention of her being assaulted by more than one person this whole time.

So the second person wasn't her boyfriend?

I can't imagine raping a chick and then finding out she'd been pied by some other dude earlier that night. Gross.

I don't know, all I heard them say is they identified the person and spoke with them.

They also stated there were several people in the room when this indecent took place and they talked with all of them.

BOOOM called it

Jameis hasn't been charged with anything so revisiting the evidence isn't double jeopardizing him of anything. This would be reopening the investigation which is fairly common if new evidence presents itself, which in this case would likely be TPD corruption.

I wouldn't expect to see any "new" evidence creep up until after the title game if it ever does.

I find it hard to have much credibility in the police and prosecuting attorneys given the manner in which they've handled themselves throughout the entire debacle.

I haven't followed it real closely, but I can't shake the impression that from the start, the investigation catered to protecting Winston.

Here's the AP report. It's pretty succinct:

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Florida State quarterback and Heisman Trophy candidate Jameis Winston will not be charged with sexually assaulting a woman who accused him of raping her about a year ago, a prosecutor said Thursday.


State Attorney Willie Meggs made the announcement at a news conference, saying there was not enough evidence to win a conviction.
"After reviewing all the evidence in the case, we did not feel like we could meet that burden," Meggs said.


A search warrant from January, released hours before the news conference, detailed the woman's accusations for the first time. She told police she and friends had five to six shots at a bar and her "memory is very broken from that point forward." She said she remembered being in a cab with a "non-descript" black man and going into an apartment where she was raped.


The woman didn't identify Winston, who is black, until about a month after the alleged assault.


Winston, 19, has led the Seminoles to a No. 1 ranking and a shot at a national championship if they defeat Duke on Saturday.


Many Heisman voters were waiting to see whether Winston will be charged with a crime before casting their ballots. The deadline for ballots is Monday, and the trophy is awarded Dec. 14.


The details of the alleged rape were contained in a search warrant for cellphone records, including text messages. It was dated Jan. 16, six days after the woman identified Winston.


The warrant said she tried to fight the man off, and at some point, another man came into the room and told him to stop. But the two went into a bathroom "where he completed the act."


Her next memory was of the suspect dressing her, putting her on a scooter and dropping her off at a campus intersection. She said she had no idea where the alleged assault took place.


In the short time since Meggs' office took over the case, investigators have taken DNA from Winston, interviewed the alleged victim and looked at other evidence.


Meggs said DNA found in the accuser's underwear matched Winston. Winston's attorney, Timothy Jansen, has suggested Winston had consensual sex with the accuser and he expects the prosecutor will exonerate his client.


Jansen planned to address the media later Thursday.


Patricia Carroll, the attorney representing the alleged victim, has not responded to requests for comment. Her office is expected to release a brief statement after the prosecutor's announcement.


The alleged sexual assault was first reported to police on Dec. 7, 2012. The family has said the alleged victim did not know the identity of her attacker until early January. Police said last week that they tried to interview Winston in January but that Jansen at the time told them his client would not answer questions.


The family has been sharply critical of the way Tallahassee police have handled the case. They said they pushed to have a DNA sample taken from Winston, only to be told by a police detective that it would alert Winston and make the case public. The family said Carroll was warned by police that Tallahassee is a "big football town, and the victim needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable."


Tallahassee police have defended their handling of the case and said it was placed on inactive status in February after police were told the alleged victim did not wish to prosecute the case. Carroll has denied that the woman wanted to drop the investigation.


The alleged victim was an FSU student, but she left school last month.

Yeah. Always make sure a chick hasn't been recently boned before you rape her.