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beach tribe 01-20-2014 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10381381)
Harbaugh > Reid.

Not even debatable.

Highly debatable.

TEX 01-20-2014 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10381832)
Don't know about that one. Patrick Peterson, Sherman, Revis, Haden, Webb. They are all in the conversation. Josh Gordon absolutely shredded Talib.

So did Welker on a pick play...

Buehler445 01-20-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 10381827)
Let dudes walk? "No problem," say the 49ers... we've got extra picks in the draft to fill those holes.

Their draft history is hard to sustain over time.

Also, they may have kept the wrong QB.

OldSchool 01-20-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10381844)
Justin Smith? He's signed through next season

At his age, there is no guarantee that he will perform at the same level next season.

OldSchool 01-20-2014 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10381975)
Their draft history is hard to sustain over time.

Also, they may have kept the wrong QB.

Alex Smith has actually won in Seattle before, Kaepernick has been blown out twice and only came close in this playoff game. Put Alex Smith in that situation and I guarantee you he takes the out to VD or Patton to gain more yards and live another down or hits Boldin in the seam for a TD instead of trying to force it over a 6'3" corner who happens to be the best in the league at what he does.

New World Order 01-20-2014 08:48 AM

I don't understand why the Niners didn't run more qb draws. The first half Kaep was moving the ball down the field with his feet. We didn't see that much in the second half.

laughsatyou907 01-20-2014 08:54 AM

They should trade Kraepernick for draft picks and find themselves a better QB.

OldSchool 01-20-2014 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by laughsatyou907 (Post 10382023)
They should trade Kraepernick for draft picks and find themselves a better QB.

Yup, trade Kaepernick for picks so they have ammo to move up in the draft to take a good QB who can actually throw the ball and read a defense.

notorious 01-20-2014 09:12 AM

Harbaugh has pretty much matched Reid's playoff success already.


That's pretty impressive.

chiefzilla1501 01-20-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10382015)
I don't understand why the Niners didn't run more qb draws. The first half Kaep was moving the ball down the field with his feet. We didn't see that much in the second half.

This is a point I made in another thread. Greg Roman is one of the best offensive minds in the game. I'm not convinced he's a great situational coach. Maybe relies too much on the game plan or the data.

Eleazar 01-20-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10381990)
Alex Smith has actually won in Seattle before, Kaepernick has been blown out twice and only came close in this playoff game. Put Alex Smith in that situation and I guarantee you he takes the out to VD or Patton to gain more yards and live another down or hits Boldin in the seam for a TD instead of trying to force it over a 6'3" corner who happens to be the best in the league at what he does.

Krap had just forced a throw over a DB who had good coverage, earlier in the game on the TD to Boldin.

I think everyone in the world thought "this'll be an INT" when he released the ball, but in that case the throw was absolutely perfect, so he got away with it.

But that pass could have easily been picked as well, and it was the same mistake - trying to get the ball to a receiver over a defender who is in position to make the play. Sure, it CAN work, but the throw has to be perfect, and you won't make a perfect throw every time. A man's got to know his limitations.

Ragged Robin 01-20-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10382015)
I don't understand why the Niners didn't run more qb draws. The first half Kaep was moving the ball down the field with his feet. We didn't see that much in the second half.

His best runs come from broken down regular plays.

jkw87 01-20-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10382161)
Krap had just forced a throw over a DB who had good coverage, earlier in the game on the TD to Boldin.

I think everyone in the world thought "this'll be an INT" when he released the ball, but in that case the throw was absolutely perfect, so he got away with it.

But that pass could have easily been picked as well, and it was the same mistake - trying to get the ball to a receiver over a defender who is in position to make the play. Sure, it CAN work, but the throw has to be perfect, and you won't make a perfect throw every time. A man's got to know his limitations.

Or he needs to be intelligent enough to read defenses and go through his progressions... Instead of reading one target and throwing into tight coverage regardless

OldSchool 01-20-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10382161)
Krap had just forced a throw over a DB who had good coverage, earlier in the game on the TD to Boldin.

I think everyone in the world thought "this'll be an INT" when he released the ball, but in that case the throw was absolutely perfect, so he got away with it.

But that pass could have easily been picked as well, and it was the same mistake - trying to get the ball to a receiver over a defender who is in position to make the play. Sure, it CAN work, but the throw has to be perfect, and you won't make a perfect throw every time. A man's got to know his limitations.

The throw was not perfect, lol, the defender just misplayed the ball. Thomas should have had an INT but he drifted a bit too far out of the play and so was only able to get his finger on the ball. It was a terrible decision by Kaep and he got extremely lucky.

Buehler445 01-20-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10382161)
Krap had just forced a throw over a DB who had good coverage, earlier in the game on the TD to Boldin.

I think everyone in the world thought "this'll be an INT" when he released the ball, but in that case the throw was absolutely perfect, so he got away with it.

But that pass could have easily been picked as well, and it was the same mistake - trying to get the ball to a receiver over a defender who is in position to make the play. Sure, it CAN work, but the throw has to be perfect, and you won't make a perfect throw every time. A man's got to know his limitations.

I was thinking Harbaugh should have taken one of his two TO at :50 after the Davis first down and worked some shorter passes. Nope. Waste :20 and try to go yard for a pick. That's a pretty big coaching error IMO. Maybe he had a shorter read, but give kaep come time. The decision to throw is on Kaep and FFS throw it to the corner, but wasting 20 seconds and calling an end zone route is bad coaching.

OldSchool 01-20-2014 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10382232)
I was thinking Harbaugh should have taken one of his two TO at :50 after the Davis first down and worked some shorter passes. Nope. Waste :20 and try to go yard for a pick. That's a pretty big coaching error IMO. Maybe he had a shorter read, but give kaep come time. The decision to throw is on Kaep and FFS throw it to the corner, but wasting 20 seconds and calling an end zone route is bad coaching.

That was all on Kaep. He predetermined that throw to Crabtree. That had absolutely nothing to do with the playcall as he had 3 open receivers to his left. Patton had an easy 6-10 yards as no one was within 10 yards of him, David had 4 yards of seperation on an out route, and Boldin had beaten his man in the seam for a sure TD. Kaep said it himself that he was throwing to Crabtree regardless of what was happening on the other side. When they asked him if anyone else was open, the only thing he said was that he would have to look at the tape.

OldSchool 01-20-2014 10:43 AM

Check out Peter King's article on Kaepernick in his Monday Morning QB blog. He is pretty spot on about Kaepernick and why he sucks as a QB.

Buehler445 01-20-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10382248)
That was all on Kaep. He predetermined that throw to Crabtree. That had absolutely nothing to do with the playcall as he had 3 open receivers to his left. Patton had an easy 6-10 yards as no one was within 10 yards of him, David had 4 yards of seperation on an out route, and Boldin had beaten his man in the seam for a sure TD. Kaep said it himself that he was throwing to Crabtree regardless of what was happening on the other side. When they asked him if anyone else was open, the only thing he said was that he would have to look at the tape.

I think it is still on Harbitch to call a TO after the Davis first down.

O.city 01-20-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10382267)
Check out Peter King's article on Kaepernick in his Monday Morning QB blog. He is pretty spot on about Kaepernick and why he sucks as a QB.

Cliff notes?

greatgooglymoogly 01-20-2014 10:53 AM

The Niners will be fine as long as Harbaugh stays. I have a feeling Michigan is going to throw a huge offer at him after next season, so I'll say they have at least one more good year.

GloryDayz 01-20-2014 10:56 AM

If he were to leave the franchise would have a challenge to overcome. That being said, they seem up to the challenge with their front office staff. Like the Broncos, they have a front office and coaching staff that's as good at their jobs as the players are at theirs. It's a thing of beauty actually.

Eleazar 01-20-2014 10:59 AM

Something I just thought of:

This year, the 49ers went out when Krapernick turned the ball over 3 times in the 4th quarter, including forcing the last pass to Crabtree when it wasn't there.

Last year, the 49ers lost the Super Bowl when inside the 5 yard line, he threw at Crabtree on three consecutive plays and all three were incomplete.

O.city 01-20-2014 11:00 AM

A few of us got blasted in the game thread last night for saying we woulnd't extend Kaep at this point until he learns to play from the pocket.

htismaqe 01-20-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10382311)
Something I just thought of:

This year, the 49ers went out when Krapernick turned the ball over 3 times in the 4th quarter, including forcing the last pass to Crabtree when it wasn't there.

Last year, the 49ers lost the Super Bowl when inside the 5 yard line, he threw at Crabtree on three consecutive plays and all three were incomplete.

Rigged. Obviously.

GloryDayz 01-20-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10382312)
A few of us got blasted in the game thread last night for saying we woulnd't extend Kaep at this point until he learns to play from the pocket.

He's certainly got some challenges to work through, but it's difficult for QB's to find the balance of staying in the pocket and scrambling. When you have the legs and moves that he has it's all the more difficult.

O.city 01-20-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10382344)
He's certainly got some challenges to work through, but it's difficult for QB's to find the balance of staying in the pocket and scrambling. When you have the legs and moves that he has it's all the more difficult.

With all the "new" QB's flare for running and doing all that jazz, you still have to stand in there and make plays from the pocket to win at the highest level in the league.

Defenses are too big and fast to run around all the time. Qb's need to win with their arm and use the legs as a secondary weapon, not the other way around.

With Kaep, it's not just his throws from the pocket, it's his pocket presence, or lack there of as well.

Mav 01-20-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10382348)
With all the "new" QB's flare for running and doing all that jazz, you still have to stand in there and make plays from the pocket to win at the highest level in the league.

Defenses are too big and fast to run around all the time. Qb's need to win with their arm and use the legs as a secondary weapon, not the other way around.

With Kaep, it's not just his throws from the pocket, it's his pocket presence, or lack there of as well.

He got strip sacked with a rusher coming directly to him from his front side. He is OBLIVIOUS to pressure.

Guy is worthless.

O.city 01-20-2014 11:19 AM

I wouldn't call him worthless, he's extremely talented. But he's got quite a bit to learn about playing the position from the pocket.

GloryDayz 01-20-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10382348)
With all the "new" QB's flare for running and doing all that jazz, you still have to stand in there and make plays from the pocket to win at the highest level in the league.

Defenses are too big and fast to run around all the time. Qb's need to win with their arm and use the legs as a secondary weapon, not the other way around.

With Kaep, it's not just his throws from the pocket, it's his pocket presence, or lack there of as well.

I agree, but a pure pocket passer is hard to find, and with the protection afforded QBs these days I think it's important to take advantage of that.

While Im not the biggest Alex Smith fan, he's got good balance in the pocket-runner area.

mdstu 01-20-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10382015)
I don't understand why the Niners didn't run more qb draws. The first half Kaep was moving the ball down the field with his feet. We didn't see that much in the second half.

Is it possible the Seahawks adjusted their defense to take the QB run away? To make Kaep beat them with his arm?

Eleazar 01-20-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu (Post 10382597)
Is it possible the Seahawks adjusted their defense to take the QB run away? To make Kaep beat them with his arm?

The first half looked like the regular season with a running QB, the second half looked like the postseason with a running QB.

In the first half he runs for 100 yards, didn't really make any mistakes, they go into the half with a TD lead. In the second half, he runs for 30 yards, turns the ball over 3 times, they score only once on 6 possessions, and they lose.

The scat QB works against the bad and mediocre teams in the league, but when you play a team with a good defense that can make adjustments and take it away, and which has a decent offense that can punish turnovers - i.e., a playoff team, you have to be able to play QB. So far, he can't.

I think the 49ers are learning that a guy like Kaepernick can win games but is only going to take you so far.

mdstu 01-20-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10382624)
The first half looked like the regular season with a running QB, the second half looked like the postseason with a running QB.

In the first half he runs for 100 yards, didn't really make any mistakes, they go into the half with a TD lead. In the second half, he runs for 30 yards, turns the ball over 3 times, they score only once on 6 possessions, and they lose.

The scat QB works against the bad and mediocre teams in the league, but when you play a team with a good defense that can make adjustments and take it away, and which has a decent offense that can punish turnovers - i.e., a playoff team, you have to be able to play QB. So far, he can't.

I think the 49ers are learning that a guy like Kaepernick can win games but is only going to take you so far.

Yeah, that is what I was saying. I'm just too lazy to type all those words.

Red Dawg 01-20-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10381374)
Their coach is amazing.


Until he has an aneurysm they will always be a contender.

What? Amazing? He has won nothing. Lost to his brother and now Carrol. How is this amazing?

splatbass 01-20-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10382723)
What? Amazing? He has won nothing. Lost to his brother and now Carrol. How is this amazing?

He is the only coach in history to go to a conference championship game in each of his first three seasons as HC. Three years, three NFC championship games, one SB. No one else has ever done that. And while he lost 2 of 3 and the SB they were competitive in every game. He has coached a team in the top 2 or 3 in the league every year of his career.

I'll never get you glass half empty types.

Mav 01-20-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10382371)
I wouldn't call him worthless, he's extremely talented. But he's got quite a bit to learn about playing the position from the pocket.

Please take what I say with a grain of salt. He got lucky that one, Alex Smith got a concussion, and two that his coach took a shot with his hand picked guy, and became a prisoner of the moment.

As a former 49er fan, nothing makes me happier then to see the two of them choke together.

Two post seasons in a row, Kap had the ball in his hands, and two seasons in a row, HE CHOKED.

Mav 01-20-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 10382731)
He is the only coach in history to go to a conference championship game in each of his first three seasons as HC. Three years, three NFC championship games, one SB. No one else has ever done that. And while he lost 2 of 3 and the SB they were competitive in every game. He has coached a team in the top 2 or 3 in the league every year of his career.

I'll never get you glass half empty types.

While I LIKE harbaugh, goofyness on the sidelines aside. And he has done great. But, he surrounded himself with a hell of a coaching staff, Seely, keeping tomsula, his roster was loaded when he got here, and they had a hell of a first draft.

He has done well, but his team is loaded. Im not sure how much that factors into it.

I know, singletary, singletary. But singletary might of been the worst coach in the history of football.

NinerDoug 01-20-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10381453)
I think it's a done deal. They let Smith go. There is Kaepernick, Colt McCoy, and McLeod Bethel-Thompson. Unless they make a play for a top guy in the draft, I think they're paying him.

Maybe they want to give us 2 seconds for Chase Daniel :evil:

Would you take 2 seconds for Alex Smith? :evil:

Mav 01-20-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug (Post 10382978)
Would you take 2 seconds for Alex Smith? :evil:

Lol. Interesting.

laughsatyou907 01-20-2014 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10382371)
I wouldn't call him worthless, he's extremely talented. But he's got quite a bit to learn about playing the position from the pocket.

Being an Athletic freak is not the same as being talented. The kid has no QB instincts, that is gifted but un-talented in the context of being a professional Quarterback. He should have played baseball, he would have been far more successful.

laughsatyou907 01-20-2014 06:14 PM

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GloryDayz 01-20-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by laughsatyou907 (Post 10383418)

Mr. #41 looks like a kid girl-guy....


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