I had no idea that the H could mean "his" :eek:

I would probably go with the "I think you should be monitoring your inventory better" route with the owner. If you know him personally and like him, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to bring it up in a conversion. Your boss doesn't seem to give a shit so you have no way of knowing you wont be swept out the door with the rest of the mice when the owner eventually finds out anyways.

I know if I was the owner, I'd probably end up canning all three of your asses. He stole, you knew about it without reporting it, and your boss isn't doing the business any good by not keeping track of product in a way that at least prevents theft.

You very well could have already put yourself in a "no win" situation by hiding behind the highschool "snitches get stitches" bullshit. Good luck man, I'd probably start looking for another job just in case the shit flows down hill.

Here is a potential outcome.

You say nothing, during inventory the bosses figure out things are walking out, narrow it down to the morning shift as the most likely and fire both of you to be sure, assuming you're in on it too.

Letting them know something is up might make them trust you more and put you in line to move up, and better provide for YOUR family.

I'd give him one last ultimatum and say you either stop completely right now, or next time I even suspect that you have taken something I'm going to report it.

His nickel and diming the place adds up and I don't know what business it is, but eventually that can sink a store, not to mention how would you feel if due to budget costs they had to trim employees and they let you go and kept him?

Let me help you out here.

We aren't talking about trying to get a conviction on the employee who had knowledge.

If I have an employee who knows someone has been stealing from the company and ignores it, yea I can fire them too for lack of reporting it.

You are obligated as an employee to report anything that you know is a detriment to the company. At least at any company thats worth a shit.

The cost of the theft to the company could determine the course of action for the employee that was aware, but there would be accountability depending on severity including possible termination.

Would the knowledgeable employee be criminally responsible? No.

And the person stealing is guilty of a crime. In fact you dont have to steal to be criminally responsible. We have pressed charges against employees for purposefully damaging equipment but dropped charges when they agreed to pay for the damage, which also cost them their job.

Almost every time someone gets busted for this type of behavior its because a responsible employee reports it.

Furthermore our companies insurance company pays a $1000 reward to anyone reporting a person who ends up convicted of a crime. This has happened in the past but only once in 13 years.

Never trust a thief. If he gets cornered I about guarantee he'd suggest YOU did it.

Without a doubt I would

This. If he gets caught and you have said nothing, he will implicate you and the boss/owner you like will fire you both as well he should. Come clean and stay employed or wait for the axe to fall and be looking for a job.

This. I would definitely report him asap.

There's a difference between what a company wants and what's criminal liability. Silence alone does not make MTG an accomplice, which is what was being said.

Now, if I believed that this was a real story, I'd point out to MTG that he was an idiot for posting this on a message board, since that can be traced to him. At this point, were this a real situation, I'd advise of him 2 things:

1.) Turn the co-worker in, as you've gone too far not to. You'll have to hope the owner doesn't can your ass for waiting so long, but that's the corner you've painted yourself in.

2.) Keep your damn mouth shut in the future.

If he's stealing what makes you think he's a man of his word?

If someone stole a co-worker, I would report that.

No win situation. See that bus coming? You are going together thrown under it by this thief.

Anonymous email to boss. Don't even have to name names. Just say that one of their employees is stealing items, and you don't want to be a rat, but you feel loyalty to the boss to let them know.

The 2 aren't mutually exclusive, but I agree with you that you shouldn't just be naive as to take him at his word. I'd simply keep observing him and if I suspected that he was still doing it and simply not being as blatant about it, I'd just report it and leave it at that.

But, really screw him for being so brazen and open about it. Not that I'm condoning his actions, but if you want to be shady at work like that, it's your own fault for being so notorious about it to the point it's commonly known among your other coworkers.

lol, no it dont1 not here in cali. especially me being a mexican and been in the "life" before. I keep my mouth shut if shit ever got out, it would be all bad for me. Im almost 40 and it would be all bad for me.

Impossible to move up, only relatives get to move up. They pay me well though so I don't care.

Ive worked there since high school, I'm coming up on 35. He's been there maybe 2 years...who do you think they'll believe?

If you've worked there that long and they take care of you, you're shitting on them by not letting them know.

I use a VPN, ask a mod where I'm posting from right now.

I know, that's the only reason I'm even considering saying something. Otherwise I'd just mind my own business and call him a dumbass every time I saw him do it.

OP has definitely screwed himself.

Ok, suggestion number three:

Start keeping a written log of all the crap this co-worker is stealing. WRITE IT DOWN. Just do it, write down the dates and write down what was stolen. Go to the bathroom or something where you'll have privacy and just keep a little log book with you.

Now, while you are tracking what your co-worker is stealing, write up THAT'S RIGHT, WRITE IT UP, DON'T BE A LAZY ****, a proposal for tracking the inventory. This does 2 important things--1. it shows you are a pro-active employee and 2. it shows you want the company, as a whole, to do better.

Now, you are covered.

Let me explain (I've managed employees, I've worked for large companies, and small operations too):

1. If ownership does not take your inventory tracking suggestions seriously, than so be it. You pointed out something that you thought the company needed to do, to operate more efficiently, and ownership has ignored it. So, the missing inventory is their problem, not yours.

2. If ownership listens to you, and decided to follow your suggestions, then they may put you in charge of the whole tracking operation. This gives you the ability to set the system up (perhaps get a new title with the company, and a raise) and it allows you to finally "deal with the problem" with your lousy, no-good-stealing co-worker.

3. If ownership listens to you but does not involve you in the new tracking system, this moron co-worker will probably stop regardless, because he will eventually get caught, right?

4. Keeping a log of everything you have witnessed the co-worker steal will cover your ass if ownership/management decides to do something about the missing inventory. That is, you tried to help the company track the inventory because you were concerned, and whether or not the company puts a system in place to track the inventory, if they get suspicious and know that people are stealing, and the lump you in with this stealing co-worker, you can legitimately go to ownership and say "hey, I saw a problem and I suggested a solution. You guys did nothing about it. However, I can tell you what I do know about who is stealing what...."

You're welcome.

Almost 20 years working there, and YOUR not in management? :shake:

Two words: Hidden Video.

Do you wonder why you can't get a raise? This guy is stealing from you also.

as you said, a simple suggestion to the owner that it might behoove them to either put cameras in the lot or simply show up unannounced at 8:15AM is sufficient.

**** that guy. I hate that shit.

I have not only reported coworker theft that resulted in termination I have terminated employees for theft myself. So...yes.

I'd almost say you should hint towards the owner about making sure the cameras are working properly. But then if something was caught right away it'd look like you knew all along and didn't want to tell him.

I'd be more up front with the employee. Give him one more chance. Let him know the consequences of what he's doing to the company, and if he can't respect that, then tell him you'll have to let the owner decide what to do. Easier said than done, but that goes for a lot of things. Just do it, but don't rat him out until you've given him the opportunity to change his ways. If he won't change after you've called him out, then **** em.

It really is a simple matter. The OP is over thinking it.

yep, this is why my suggestion makes more sense.

This company's ownership is lazy anyway. I mean, I've never, ever, ever worked for a company that does not track it's inventory.

The OP's company that he works for, they are lazy. So, you really have to be careful on how you approach this issue.

My suggestions, they make sense.

I don't understand why people are recommending talking to the employee. I figure all that will accomplish is that the employee won't like you and will wait to steal until you're looking the other way. It won't solve the core problem and will create another one.

Just tell the boss quietly. Don't do it anonymously because otherwise you place all employees, including yourself, under suspicion. It's the boss's job to terminate thieving employees and if it's a small business he/she won't mind doing it and will be grateful that you're looking out for the company. If he/she knows what they're doing, they'll set up a small camera, get the proof they need, and confront the employee without ever saying a word that you informed them.

Honestly, due to the length of time it's been going on the easiest solution is to sit down with the honor and talk about it in a way that makes it seem you suspected but had no concrete evidence and then something came about that makes you absolutely certain.

This gives you a reason why you didn't come forth until now and a way to separate yourself from his acts.

:facepalm: If you're going to go through the trouble of quoting my post at least read it all. Its a small family business, you have to be family to be in any kind of management. The owner does have three hot daughters but they're all already married. I like my job for the most part and they pay me well so I don't care.

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Here is some legal advise for your friend.

I was going to go with anal porn but hidden video will work too.

That's a great suggestion. I still think I'm going to go the hint to the owner about cameras in the parking lot route but if he questions me about it after he catches him I'll use this.

Did I just really type honor in the place of owner? You might take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm sick and all hopped up on nyquil.

Well if he questions you about knowing all along after the guy is caught just be up front about it with the owner and tell him your feelings about why you didn't want to just say it blatantly.

Question:

Are you hiring?

Hahhahahhahaha. Nice

Look at Skyler on Breaking Bad. He's going to end up like Skyler on Breaking Bad.

This.

Try to move then. Cali sucks anyway

Holy shit, this is some place your boss runs.

Its one thing to steal stuff, but to steal stuff and not give a shit that a co-workers sees you do it--this guy is either really stupid or has a giant set of balls on him.

Hell yea, drop a dime on that MoFo. I wouldn't hesitate if it was just an acquaintance .

For a reward I would rat out my son.

The whole snitches get stitches concept is stupid and moronic.

You know people get pissy when corporations do evil things.

When he gets caught, the first thing he is going to do is say you knew about it. You are the only one that is there with him, how do you not know about the theft? How much do you like your job? I can understand a little if your company and boss are evil and screwing you over. But you already said you like your owner.

Do the right thing. You already gave him a chance.

DO NOT give him one more chance, that just enables him to try to pin you for the theft. If there is no proof or video of the thefts, first word of reporting will get benefit of the doubt.

You can go to the owner, you can explain you saw it, you confronting him about quiting it. He did not, so if the owner could install a camera and handle it appropiatley without taking you down as telling. That is if the owner is not a hot head.

You will also have to explain why you did not tell your boss.

Just record him yourself. :shrug: I'm assuming you have a cell phone?

I am sorry, but that is the reason why your area is so bad. Same with here in KC. People allow bad things and crime to go on.

I grew up in Independence, it has the same motto. It is the reason why it has one of the worst murder rates per zip code. Elsewhere in the city? People do not tolerate that shit.

I will say, you do need inventory measures and tracking when product is delivered.
Delivery companies and those distributors are notorius for messing up and stealing product. You do need to advise a tracking method started.

Without a doubt report him. If you had to ask you know it's the right thing to do.

Inventory shrink takes money out of your pocket. The first cuts to regain losses are associate hours and raises. You're doing yourself a grave injustice by not reporting it.

He is definitely stupid...but he also just trusts that I would never say anything.

This thread should be titled "What type of planeteer are you?"

We have:

- The absolute shit-stains and obvious trailer trash with the "who cares" and "snitches" etc, have some ****ing morals you pieces of shit, pretty obvious who changes oil for a living...

- The morons condoning "handle dat shit yerself brah" with warnings and what not to the thieving POS, this should be the absolute last thing MTG should do btw. Sets off the POS radar and he would probably try to blame it on you or take you down with him.

- The accounting/inventory morons that don't understand small business. I especially like the chiming in with "hire me and I'll fix er up", what the owner has is essentially a $2500 per year problem ($10X5daysX50weeks) at this point. So your suggestion is to implement inventory tracking and pay the dumbass accountant to research all this shit and the owner ends up with a still unsolvable $2500 problem and then a minimum $10-20K bill that probably doesn't even really affect his business. Then he has to pay for the software and someone to run it all for what? Brilliant!

- As a finance/IT/business process consultant to fortune 500s as well as a small business owner with 15 employees I am more than qualified to comment on this crap sandwich from both sides. I also love nothing more than setting up stupid employees for theft/firings, I stress that I will fire and call the police in the interview and it is reinforced several times throughout the training period. I run a service business with many long term customers, I ask them to throw out the ole "how much if I just pay you cash direct" line and then fire the shit stain while laughing. The best is that these stupid ****s throw away a $1k per week job for as little as $20 extra in their pockets, my closer for them: "hope it was worth the $20, someone else will be cashing your $1k paycheck next week".

One question for the OP, if the owner saw and knew everything regarding all of your actions would he fire you immediately?

My favorite poster was "thief that has 3 kids and a wife that can't work and is blatantly stealing and risking his families well being might not be such a bad guy" (mutually exclusive guy).

While generally true, if the thief says they were in it together, claiming he knew but didn't want to rat sticky fingers out is not an excellent defense to prosecution.

How come "snitches get stitches" is remembered and lived by, but not "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" or "there's no honor among thieves". Both also equally practiced

Don't take this the wrong way, but, you're a lowlife dumbass piece of shit for watching this go on without shutting it down. Did you vote for Obama? Of course you did you dipshit. Listen, these are the exact types of things thats wrong with America. You should have been on this guys ass day one, but you're just wondering if you should be doing it too. The only good thief is a dead ****in thief. And **** you for being a scab on society !

It is a tough spot for sure. Your ass is on the line in a lot of ways.
Because of inventory and other things this theft will be noticed. The "company" will be trying to locate these losses.
You might be being looked at or could be looked at for this theft, not just the other guy.
If you go straight to the owner you may be at risk for reprisals from your current "boss" for not going through the normal chain of command. Is your current boss all on the up and up or might he have something that he wouldn't want to come to lite, if things were looked into?
You definitely have to say something, but you need to be prepared that even though you are doing the right thing you might not get the outcome you would think was appropriate.
You may have to answer questions yourself about why this was not brought to lite any sooner and for how long have you known. You could very well lose your job because you didn't say anything long before now.

What exactly is keeping you from just outright telling the owners directly?

He voted for Obama thus his confusion about whats right and whats wrong and the way society is supposed to work in general.

still waiting on what is getting stolen.

are we talking food for the dude's kids? or is he stealing boxes of ladies depends. just curious, i suppose.

I would be suspicious immediately. If your customers were smart enough to negotiate a cash deal for services, they likely wouldn't need a finance consultant in the first place. :D

:rolleyes:

It really doesn't matter, I hate a low life thieves. Nothing but a useless drag on society.

:spock:

You masturbate swine.

And no dimwit, I actually can't stand Obama. Im a Libertarian...Im normally not one to get into other people's business and I'm hesitating.

One of those is close but not exactly.

When I was an idiot kid, I used to drop a 12 pack out the back door now and then. That was stupid and I've always felt bad about it. This guys takes it to a whole new level. There's no debate, dime him. It's the only way, especially if you've already expressed your disapproval. The technicalities of "doesn't have inventory control" or "you don't have loss prevention in your title" are stupid. It's still stealing. It's still a cost of doing business. It still limits your own income potential.

It IS your business. Do you think your raise is going to be larger or smaller next year if the company has a $40 per day inventory leak? That's $8000 - which doesn't seem like a ton of money but when I sit down and figure out what kind of a bonus or a raise my top performers are getting on the year, the performance of the company is the #1 deciding factor. $8k is going to put a big dent into your bonus/raise pool.

You son of a bitch!!

just tell him to stop that shit going forward or you'll have to report him; you don't want to be a part of that crap. tell him if he's going to do it, not to do it in front of you etc.

Do people honestly need the opinion of CP to make decisions like this?

Jesus.

offer up to your boss to revamp an inventory process to limit loss etc. maybe use it to your advantage? no idea on the size of the company you work for though.

Yeah I would. I wouldn't want to be considered complicit.

I agree, you probably could get into trouble by not saying anything...

Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Go to your boss and tell him you believe the guy is stealing.

Some people didn't have a person to teach them so it's a gray area for them. It's a simple concept.

It's stealing.

If you see it and do nothing about it, you're just as guilty and deserve whatever you get when that time comes. It's really stupid not to do something about it. As an employee, you want your employer to make a lot of money. If they do, you stand a better chance of doing well for yourself. If they don't, you stand zero chance of doing well at that job. If you see the tires on the company vehicle running low, air them up to proper operating pressure even though you don't have "tire pressure engineer" in your title.

FFS MTG! Do the right thing. I would hope you know what that is.

is this a trick question?

I probably would not, but I would distance myself from that person entirely.

Subway doesn't monitor their inventory in my city, I was with a girl and she would make me free subs and even bring them to me sometimes. Sometimes I would text her that she should bring me a sub for dinner. Conspiracy to commit sandwiching?

But yeah, report him.
Who knows, it could come down you you vs him, regardless of seniority.

Do you know how hard it is to unload 164 cartons of camel lights?

Stealing is hard work.