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I mocked-up the first 22 picks in the draft. You pick the 23rd. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=281982)

Jermichael Finley - TE - Packers
The Boston Globe reports free agent Jermichael Finley is drawing interest from the Jets, Chiefs, Seahawks, Giants, and Steelers.
We're not remotely disputing the report, but it certainly sounds like it came directly from the mouth of Finley's agent. Finley has not been medically cleared to play football after last year's spinal fusion surgery. He does hope to receive clearance by early next week. If Finley gets the green light, he should be seeking one-year, "prove-it" deals. He's still only 27 years old.
Related: Giants, Jets, Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks

Hmmm

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10472215)

Idk if I would call Fasano broken. He only missed 4 games in his 7 years before this year.

I would rather see us finally get a real DE, a valuable pass rusher or elite WR and draft a TE later in the draft. This team needs an influx of d talent bad

I was actually referring to Kelce' injury, micro fractures are tricky.

As for Fasano, he's not anywhere near dynamic even when healthy (8.1ypc in2012)... and last year wasn't a good omen for him healthwise, either. Even at his best he's JAG.

We need a paradigm shifter at TE and right now there is no one proven able to do that, but if we get one you can bet Smith will utilize that guy relentlessly.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10472188)

Kelce ran a 4.64 and has a good catch radius. Reid is obviously going to use this guy at receiver sometimes. His senior year he proved he could be a good receiver. He's a vertical threat. Hell it's no coincidence that they compared him to Gronk.

I wouldn't use a first on a TE unless Kelce's knee is ****ed. We're fairly deep and have a good young capable guy.
I think the D is FAR more pressing, as in a mother****ing pass rusher

:spock: - We actually aren't deep at all. Kelce is unproven at the NFL level, Fasano looks broken, and McGrath played okay last year, but come on. We need a difference maker at TE. Amaro has ALL the tools you'd want to be that guy.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10472215)

Idk if I would call Fasano broken. He only missed 4 games in his 7 years before this year.

He was never a great TE before all the injuries.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10472215)

I would rather see us finally get a real DE, a valuable pass rusher or elite WR and draft a TE later in the draft. This team needs an influx of d talent bad

This team has already invested heavily on the defense. How many more picks are we going to throw away vs. coaching the guys we already have?

If a guy like Dee Ford is there, sure he has to be in consideration. But I'm not taking Hageman or Donald and HOPING they can give you what you need.

I'd take Finley on a 1-year deal.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10472046)

Yeah, he's not a polished route runner. SUPER raw in that department - in fact, you'll probably see your exact statement (rounding off his breaks) in his scouting reports.

See, I see him more in the 35-40 catch range and 4-5 TDs. Dependable, not dynamic.

If we can get that from him next year and he can stay healthy, his future in KC will be bright because he will go into 2015 confident in that knee.

If Ebron is still on the board in the teens, id be calling with a pick from next year to move up.

Maybe even something like this and next years firsts for an earlier first and second this year...that would be sweet.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10472475)

I don't want to trade anything to get Ebron when we could sit tight (or even trade down) and get Amaro or ASJ.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10472339)

I'd take Finley on a 1-year deal.

No thanks.

This team has had enough broken tight ends.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10472479)

I don't want to trade anything to get Ebron when we could sit tight (or even trade down) and get Amaro or ASJ.

I think Ebron has a chance to be an elite player. His size speed combo mixed with his game is gonna be special.

Plus, next years draft is gonna be light because of all the underclassmen in this class.

A mid second this year > a late first next year.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10472337)

He was never a great TE before all the injuries.

This team has already invested heavily on the defense. How many more picks are we going to throw away vs. coaching the guys we already have?

If a guy like Dee Ford is there, sure he has to be in consideration. But I'm not taking Hageman or Donald and HOPING they can give you what you need.

Donald is going to be a BAMF. He was a BAMF on tape at Pitt. He was a BAMF at the Senior Bowl. He was a BAMF at the combine.

He's just as much of a sure thing a Jace Amaro. He's a goddamn proven entity.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10472518)

That doesn't really have a position in this defense, or to put it another way - he's somewhat of a tweener and our defensive coordinator hasn't exactly proven to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

Just another thought about the TE position.
If our offense is trying to able to go down field more often then, why invest a 1st round into an intermediate type of playmaker? I understand that a TE will help pull coverage but, we are trying to get Alex to throw down field more often. It seems somewhat counter productive to give him an awesome target in the short to intermediate range while not having a legit deep threat yet expecting more success going down field.

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10472538)

Expecting Alex to go downfield more is basically choosing the path of most resistance. Not to mention the fact that he showed he can be pretty damn efficient in the right situation. I think you should cater to him, not to try to force him to be something he's not.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10472546)

Knowing how coaches in the NFL are, and the fact Reid pressed him to be more aggressive id say they're trying to get him to be something he's not necessarily comfortable with.

Not that he can't so it, just hasn't.

Same reason I don't think TE will ever be a feature in a Reid offense

Clearly in that scenario we must trade up to get an OT!!

-said no one

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10472552)

Knowing how coaches in the NFL are, and the fact Reid pressed him to be more aggressive id say they're trying to get him to be something he's not necessarily comfortable with.

Not that he can't so it, just hasn't.

Same reason I don't think TE will ever be a feature in a Reid offense

http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index...nd_andy_r.html

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When Andy Reid thinks of the tight end position, his mind wanders back to his days in Green Bay as one of Mike Holmgren’s offensive assistants.

As the Packers emerged as a perennial playoff contender and eventual Super Bowl champion, the offense employed a two tight-end set at times that featured two Pro Bowl tight ends, Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura.

In the dozen years Reid has been the Eagles’ head coach, he has tried to duplicate that tight end tandem, most recently with Chad Lewis and L.J. Smith, but has never been able to get it quite right.

If he still has hopes of that double tight formation, along with wide receivers Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson on the outside, there are two options – develop second-year man Clay Harbor, a fourth-round pick in 2009, to be the No. 2 opposite starter Brent Celek, or sign a viable tight end once free agency starts.

Should Reid and the Eagles opt for the second choice, the most likely target is Oakland’s Zach Miller, who caught 60 passes for 685 yards and five touchdowns last season.

Another possibility might be the Giants’ Kevin Boss, who had an impressive 15.2 yards per catch average last season, but had a case of the drops.

Oakland will likely try to keep Miller, but the Eagles have the money and wherewithal to get him if they choose.

In Celek, the Eagles have a Chmura-like player, who needs to get closer to the year he had in 2009, than the one he had last season.

Celek became the first Eagles tight end to have consecutive 100-yard games in 2009 since Pete Retzlaff did it in 1965.

That season, the 6-4, 255-pound Celek caught 76 passes for 971 yards and eight touchdowns.

All three of those statistics were the second best in Eagles’ history.

Last season, Celek’s numbers fell to 42 catches (18th best among tight ends in the league) for 511 yards (22nd best) and four touchdowns.

He did make some plays down the stretch, including a 65-yard touchdown in the comeback win over the Giants, and caught 10 passes in the loss to the Vikings.

I'm pretty sure history proves your thought about the TE position in Reid's offense is wrong. He didn't go out and sign Anthony Fasano, who was regarded as an unspectacular but solid all-around TE, and have Dorsey draft him an athletically gifted TE in the 3rd round for no reason. Reid has been trying to do what the Patriots did with Gronk and Hernandez for a long time. He just never was able to find the personnel required to execute it correctly.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10472552)

Knowing how coaches in the NFL are, and the fact Reid pressed him to be more aggressive id say they're trying to get him to be something he's not necessarily comfortable with.

Not that he can't so it, just hasn't.

Same reason I don't think TE will ever be a feature in a Reid offense

Except I posted an article a couple months ago with quotes from him describing his love for TE- including double TE sets.

Said his favorite offense he ran / schemed were back in his Green Bay days, when he was Tight Ends/Assistant Offensive Line coach when they won the Super Bowl and heavily used both Mark Chmura and Keith Jackson. He devised a lot of the plays that featured the TEs.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10472592)

http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index...nd_andy_r.html

I'm pretty sure history proves your thought about the TE position in Reid's offense is wrong. He didn't go out and sign Anthony Fasano, who was regarded as an unspectacular but solid all-around TE, and have Dorsey draft him an athletically gifted TE in the 3rd round for no reason. Reid has been trying to do what the Patriots did with Gronk and Hernandez for a long time. He just never was able to find the personnel required to execute it correctly.

How timely- that's the article I posted here a few months ago and was just talking about.