Splatbass is here to bitch about the bitching.

No, I'm here to point out when someone is full of shit. Or full of themselves.

Another reason to have a 1000 post before starting threads.

I would take Smith over Kaeperdouche anyday. Kaep has the talent but no brains

Kaepernick has already won more playoff games in two years than Alex has in 8.

Yep we went 9-0 when he "caught fire" good point.

Marcellus has turned full bore troll.

You even won that cool graphics card for all your awesome predictions.

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

Flacco only has two fewer than Manning in ten fewer games. Flacco > Manning.

I like that it's a hard call.

Such a quality post. That's what we here at CP love about you. You're in depth discussion about the op instead of dumb comments directed at other posters. Don't ever leave. This place would be missing so much without you.


Not really. Just go away troll

It's a beautiful day. Go outside.

...

I have been outside actually. Spending the day with my daughter. Just came in for a few minutes and was captivated by your exquisite post.

Really compared some age there.

I'd like to assume Marcellus was trolling just to get a rise out of some people...

You know what assumptions do?

I'm just trying to be nice and get along, man. Life's too short to fight all the time.

Kaepernik is a one-dimensional QB. He can't read defenses, and while he has a gun for an arm he is not particularly accurate and has no touch. He needs his running ability to set up his passing. If you take away his running ability and make him be a pocket passer (either by game plan or injury) he is a less than average QB.

Alex Smith is a good pocket QB that also has decent running ability when necessary.

You're overselling his ability in the pocket and underselling his ability outside of it.

IMO, Alex is well above average once he steps outside. Not just in that he can run with it - he's better with ball placement while he's moving outside.

You say potAto, I say potato.

While true, it's also true that he improved inside the pocket, along with almost every other aspect of his game, over the course of the last 7-8 games.

I would agree with the second part, but I do think he is a good pocket QB. He reads defenses well, and has a good arm in short and medium passing, and an acceptable arm in long passing. IMO. Note I didn't say he is a great pocket QB, I said he is a good one.

Yeah, after the line gelled and gave him more time in the pocket he looked pretty good.

Yep.

I think he has a good arm in the short game (good touch) but for me, his intermediate and long throw accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't mean he sucks by any means, he's just "average" there while he's above average in several other areas.

Honestly, his biggest problem with the long passing game is his confidence anyway. The more confident he gets, the better the passing game looks because he will press the ball down the field instead of dumping it off all the time. His ball placement doesn't have to be perfect - just put the ball where his guys can get it and the other guys can't. Bowe needs to do his job too. And we need a TE and some other WRs to step up and not play like ass...

To bad we couldn't keep said line all together

I was just getting ready to post that.

I think we all have high hopes for Eric Fisher but he and the rest of the line are definitely a concern right now...

But.........But the comp picks O.
The comp picks!

SB in 2020!

Someone posted it recently, but even when our line "gelled" last year, it still really wasn't very good IMO. It was average, which all in all, is basically what you need.

Which is also why I wasn't terribly upset I letting some of those guys walk. Outside of Albert who's issues were well documented, upgrades were needed anyway

lol, 89 morons have voted "no".

Alex Smith makes the line look better than it is.

He's got better escapability than I ever realized before he came here. I think he's money on the run, quite frankly.

Upgraded the te's and wr's to guys who can get quick separation would help as well

Ahem.

:harumph:

this, homers and True Fans are in full swing

Speaking of morons

Above works here as well

Don't forget the Kap haters. :)

His daddy must like Kap and have whispered sweet nothings in his ear or something.

When more than 75% of the people disagree with you it may be time to reevaluate your idea of who the morons are.

There are very few things these days that you can get 75% of the people to agree on.

I would bet more than 75% of people thought selecting Russell Wilson in the third round was a dumb move at the time.

He is a great scrambler but I think he's terrible throwing on the run. Or I should say looking downfield while he's on the run. Seems to me he just tucks and runs more often than he extends the play to make a pass down the field..

He doesn't make plays down the field very often, regardless of whether he's in or out of the pocket.

But no, he doesn't just tuck and run. He's still looking to get rid of the ball.

unless they're morons.

I don't care what you think about Alex Smith.... Colin Kaepernick is not a great QB. Add in the fact that he is a complete and utter DOUCHE and no way would I want him here.

Colin is a douche, but is still better than Alex on the field which was the essential question.

Based on what measure?

:facepalm:

Dude, really?

Kaep is more dynamic with his legs and has a stronger arm. Physically, he has a higher upside.

In terms of playing the position of quarterback, he's not really any better now than he was 3 years ago, nor is he abundantly better at playing qb than smith than you would lead someone to believe with your emoticon

Kaep led his team to a SB, and was one play away from a second appearance. Plus, he doesn't have the on field hangups that Alex does when it comes to being too conservative.

Yes, your blind to the Arrowhead that Alex is wearing on his helmet to see his limitations in certain circumstances.

He isn't substantially better though, not by any means. He is younger, that's all he really is, and that isn't enough to get over his douche factor.

IF he was a young Phillip Rivers then I'd have a different opinion. He isn't.

Using a team statistic (playoff wins an losses) to justify player to player evaluations is asinine.

What on field hang ups are you referring to? His pocket presence or lack there of? One read offensive style?

Explain.

Sorry, but he's also one of the big reasons they didn't get there.

Alex smith was one play away from a SB and carried a team from 2 wins to 11 wins the next season.


See how bad that is?

Wait a sec. Didn't Alex Smith "lead" that same team to the NFC Championship Game the year before?

You can't use that to build up Kaep and ignore the same accomplishments from Smith. Sorry, Kaep is NOT proven to be substantially better than Smith.

LOL, okay I'll spell it out for you

Alex has issues with playing too careful, and not having a killer instinct due to physical limitations, and being too reliant on his defense.

pushing the ball down the field on a constant basis is a paramount problem ( Bowe's lack of production) with him which he often piggybacks Charles to an exhausting end.

I could go into more adherent checkdown BS, but I don't want to considering it should be obvious enough why Colin is a better QB than Alex.

So basically we are at "Kaep throws it deep more" here?

Tribal that is dumb as ****

Sorry man but you're dead wrong here, they are both "meh" QBs. Neither is awful (although both can be at times) and neither is a guy you count on to carry your team. Given a choice between two QBs who are in the same range, I'd normally go with the younger guy. BUT Kaep appears to be an uncoachable moron so his youth just means you get stuck with a "meh" QB for longer. So, in that case, give me the guy who isn't a total douche.

My comment was simply pointing out that as badass as Rodgers is he has won 1 SB and lost a shit ton of big games.

Rodgers has no guarantee he will win another SB. He will keep them in the hunt.

We had Trent Green who for at least 3 years played well enough to keep us in the hunt but because the defense was epically bad we were one and done so he is considered a failure by CP standards.

Smith isn't Rodgers, no shit, but you could easily argue to this point Rodgers is either an underachiever in big games or overrated.

Big Ben has won 2x as many.

Flacco as many.

Its a team game.

So you go on to say its a team game, but use a team statistic to say Rodgers underachieved or is overrated.

How did he play in said games?

How did Smith play in said playoff loss? Yet he is judged here by a loss.

I think Kaepernick, and specifically the zone-read offense that worked for him during that period two seasons ago, was a flash-in-the-pan. I remember predicting a year ago that the league will make strides in figuring it/him out last season, and they did. He had a huge game against a bad Packers defense to start the year and then basically did diddly-shit the rest of the way. 10 games under 200 yards passing (plus an 11th at 203) and one 300 yard game (meaning 2 for the season). His completion percentage dropped off from 2012, his yards per attempt dropped off, his yards per carry dropped off.

All the athletic ability in the world doesn't matter as much as people want to think at the NFL level, at least not at the QB position. Because it's as much about what's between the ears and what you can do between the tackles. And unless he raises his level of play in the pocket, he basically is Alex Smith. Sure, strong arm, able and willing to go downfield, a better runner, but the end result is the same for all intents and purposes.

You are, without question, the single dumbest mother****er here.

Your mother should have swallowed to save the family from embarrasment.

I thought I was rude, but milfman just lay the smacketh down!!!

Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?
 

I'd honestly thought I'd heard it all after Discuss Thrower suggested trading Justin Houston but now we have mother****ers saying Alex Smith has "physical limitations".

He doesn't have physical limitations. He was the ****ing #1 overall pick.

Russel Wilson has physical limitations. Chad Pennington had physical limitations.

Damn it, people. Think!!!

I find it amazing that 75% of this board likes Alex over Colin.

I don't. Alex Smith performed well for us last year. And he has no off field problems, or ego problems. Kaep is one knee injury away from being a below average QB, because running is his main asset as a QB.

No. I wouldn't want to be stuck with a qb who's main strength is running.

Here you go, since I'm assuming you received a deflection instead of an answer:

1/5/14 (road loss 20-23 @ SF): 17-26 (65.4%) for 177 yards and 1 TD. QBR 57.6. QB rating 97.8.

1/5/13 (home win 24-10 vs MIN): 23-33 (69.7%) for 274 yards and 1 TD. QBR 72.6. QB rating 104.9.
1/12/13 (road loss 31-45 @ SF): 26-39 (66.7%) for 257 yards, 2 TD and 1 INT. QBR 68.3. QB rating 91.5.

1/15/12 (home loss 20-37 vs NYG): 26-46 (56.5%) for 264 yards, 2 TD and 1 INT. QBR 69.1. QB rating 78.5.

1/9/11 (road win 21-16 @ PHI): 18-27 (66.7%) for 180 yards and 3 TD. QBR 58.6. QB rating 122.5.
1/15/11 (road win 48-21 @ ATL): 31-36 (86.1%) for 366 yards and 3 TD. QBR 90.1. QB rating 136.8.
1/23/11 (road win 21-14 @ CHI): 17-23 (56.7%) for 244 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT. QBR 72.4. QB rating 55.4.
2/6/11 (Superbowl win 31-24 vs PIT): 24-39 (61.5%) for 304 yards and 3 TD. 75.4 QBR. 111.5 QB rating. (Superbowl MVP)

1/10/10 (road loss 45-51 (OT) @ ARI): 38-42 (66.7%) for 423 yards, 4 TD and 1 INT. QBR 85.6. QB rating 121.4.

So, he never finished with a total QBR below 50 (which is an "average" game according to the system). 7 out of 9 games he finished with an old school QB rating over 90 (5 over 100). 7 out of 9 games he finished with 250 or more yards passing (3 over 300). 6 out of 9 games he completed 65% or more of his passes. 5 out of 9 games he threw zero interceptions (he threw more picks than TDs just once).

Yeah. That doesn't read much like underachievement.

On Kaepernick, I think the trouble for SF once CK gets inside the opponents 20, seems to become rattled. He has on-going troubles with the play clock, undecided at the line trying to figure out where all the defenders are in space.

SF had a dominating performance vs. Carolina – However, they came away with too many FGs when they should have had TDs. SF always seem to have too many FG when they need TDs. In addition, that was over the entire season.

During the playoffs – SF had seven FGs, three TDs in three playoff games…that is an issue.


Just my opinion

Kaepernick's floor is Alex's ceiling. You would have to be crazy to go with Alex rather than see how Kap develops over this year. He came out raw from a gimmick offense and has only started 32 games.

In his 3 year career, he has only had 1 training camp. There was no training camp in his rookie year. In his sophomore year, the focus was all on Developing Alex Smith. In his 3rd year, he was the undisputed starter and finally got a camp where he practiced exclusively with the 1st team.

Meanwhile, in those 3 years, what has he done?

Gone to the super bowl.

Gone to the NFCC game twice.

The first 49ers QB to win back-to-back road playoff games.

Holds the 49ers record for most road playoff wins in a season.

Holds the super bowl record for longest rushing TD for a QB.

Holds the NFL all time record for most rushing yards from scrimmage by an NFL QB, and a playoff game at that.

Longest run from scrimmage in a playoff game.

25 TDs to only 8 interceptions.

Engineered the biggest comeback win in the 48-year history of the NFC Championship game.

Kaepernick is the 5th most accurate deep passing QB in the NFL. That in itself is meaningless, but it shows his potential. It is easier to learn the short game than it is to grow a rocket for an arm.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart...nfl-1469917039

Yes, much of this comes from his legs because he is still developing as a pocket passer. In his first year starting, 2012, they babied him and had less on his shoulders as a pocket passer, letting him freelance more.

In 2013, they made him stay in the pocket and run less in the regular season. He struggled. I don't know if it was sophomore slump or lack of receiving weapons with Crabtree and Patton gone most of the year or what.

Without a doubt he is not a great passer, but the potential is there, from being able to fire a 60 yard pass accurately on a rope, to showing a willingness to throw into tiny windows.

His short game is poor and needs development. He is in love with the deep pass and is poor at taking the check down and hot read, sticking with the deep pass too long.

He has a LONG way to go to develop a great passing game. But the potential is there, because the intelligence, work ethic, drive and coaching are there. About the only thing I can question is how well he sees the field. Does he fail to see his 2nd and 3rd reads, or is he coached to stay with his 1st read? I don't know? I don't know how he is being coached as a young QB of 32 starts.

The elite potential is there. I will take a promising young QB with elite potential any day over a solid middle-tier veteran.

Forget Alex vs Kap.

What if this was, would you take Carson Palmer over Matthew Stafford. Palmer used to be a nearly elite QB himself when he was in his prime matched with Chad Johnson. He is still a savvy veteran who can win games with a good supporting cast. But Stafford has much more potential. He makes a lot of mistakes and takes foolish risks, which is probably more due to bad coaching than the man himself.

There is no planet on which I take a solid mid-level workman over a young QB with high potential just because he hasn't attained that potential in 32 starts.

Lucky, you have that great defense.

Thanks for the laugh. I needed one. :LOL: :thumb:

Remind me how you went undefeated through 9 games.

After you remind me how YOU had it better than us!

Checkmate...

Oh great Kap ' s butt buddy is bback.This place REALLY needs another buffoon.

Of course we had it better. We are a better organization with a better owner, better GM, better head coach, better players and better QB.

I'm not going to deny the obvious. The only thing you had better was one of the weakest schedules last year.

At least you guys are on the right track now with a solid Head coach and GM. Now if only you could trade in your owner for somebody serious about winning a championship, you would be set.

Not to disrespect your tinfoil hat - But heck of a straw man you threw together there.

I was half joking. You took it fully seriously.

Internet communication is next to impossible without nuance, vocal inflection, eye contact and body language. No wonder we are at blows so often.