Jesus has a hard time gripping the football, what with the hand injuries and all.

Joe Germano ‏@JoeGerm16 18m

@TerezPaylor - it feels like the chiefs leaked this intentionally so a QB needy team will move up and the chiefs can collect extra picks

Heh.

Not impressed.

Move back and pick up Justin Lawrence...

you don't know whether Smith is asking big or not

He absolutely has leverage, we gave the 34 pick of the draft and another 2nd for him.

The.34th.pick....

two 2nd rounders for a guy on the bench .....


we got robbed on that trade so to not have the contract situation work out now would be disastrous. The Chiefs have to sign him or trade him for similar value or they look like shit. Alex Smith's agent knows this.

Stop cock blocking, @TerezPaylor!

Why do we HAVE to sign him...? We have him under his current contract for another year. He could shit the bed next year.... We don't HAVE to do anything with him this year.

He can take what we are offering...or risk shitting the bed.

This.

Yes, we can wait until next year but that doesn't change anything about what i said. It just delays it a year.

What we know is that Smith isn't involved at all, he's leaving it up to his agent. Who just happens to be Tom Condon. And I think we all understand what his history is when it comes to 'asking big or not'. Now maybe this one isn't playing out that way, anything's possible. But the fact the thing has stalled might indicate otherwise.

It changes everything you just said. We dont HAVE to sign him this year.

He also doesn't work on Sundays

it only changes something if Alex Smith has a bad year

either way we have problems

Alex Smith looks bad and the Chiefs look like shit for trading for him

or

Alex Smith looks good and he has the Chief by the nutsack in negotiations


franchise tag $ for QBs is 16 million per this year

They're already not treating him like Cassel. They didn't immediately extend him before he played one regular season snap with the team.

I either of your scenarios...

We have the leverage RIGHT NOW.

not really

we only have leverage if Smith think he is going to shit the bed next year

Dorsey sure likes to bitch about agent-related things to Rapoport a lot...

Tony Romo
Matt Stafford
Peyton Manning
Eli manning
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler

Those are some of the quarterbacks Tom Condon represents.

Basically the list of the highest paid nfl quarterbacks in the nfl.

Welcome to Cleveland, Alex

That doesn't make sense.
still better than paying him more than that per year on average in a new deal.

You should check out our schedule

Before the era of the $100 million QB, Trent Green got paid pretty handsomely thanks to Condon.

if Smith is asking for huge money then we might as well wait.

I've been saying just wait since we first traded for him.


but next year is crunch time

It could be a smokescreen.

However, it would be WAY more Chiefs-like to go into the draft without an Alex Smith extension being done, see no QB they want fall down to them, and pass - thus turning all the leverage back over to Smith.

this has the potential to go very,very badly

That Cutler contract really screwed us over in regards to QB numbers...

They can hem and haw all they want but the reality is that they painted themselves into a corner the second(s) they traded for him last year. Failing to extend him for any reason (including drafting someone at 23) instantly turns it into one of the worst high-profile trades on record.

Beyond that, I'm not sure it's even worth getting into a discussion about the possibility of him playing poorly enough in 2014 to make his price tag cheaper. That's a scenario that can't really be seen as a positive from any conceivable angle. Congratulations, you traded a pair of 2nds for a bad QB who you can now afford to pay for another 4 or 5 years of mediocre play? How is that any kind of a win?

People can't see the signs? It's the week of the draft. This kinda stuff always comes out. It could mean several things.

This could be a message to one of the teams looking to trade up to get the QB telling them we aren't afraid to take one unless they offer us something.

Having said that, if this is true, I can see Derek Carr being the pick if he's there.

Not giving Smith an extension would give him incentive to play his ass of next year for a big, lucrative contract...whether it be with the Chiefs or whoever. If he doesn't get extended and does, in fact play his ass off, that would justify what we would have to pay him via franchise tag.

I like Alex, but if Condon is asking for the moon, I'd definitely take a QB and let him walk next year.

Cassel, thigpen and VY are all still getting interest in the NFL. Someone is going to pay Smith. It might as well be the team that gave up two 2nds for him and whose system fits him perfectly. Andy Reid likes a conservative offense that spreads it around. Get visions of a gunslinger to Megatron out of your head.

Hopefully Dorsey is the GM that steps up to Condon all like:

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/se...ister_6548.jpg

"We're not gonna take it, anymore!!!!"

And breaks this stupid "overpaying expendable QB's" trend.

If Alex leaves, does that mean the 49er fans will leave too?

If so, GTFO ALEX!

ROFL

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Geno Smith looked pretty good closing out the year 3-1 and with the second highest QBR in the nfl during that span.

I'm just saying.

It sure would be nice to have a quarterback with the physical tools and a year in the system...as well as our second round pick back...

I agree, but it just sucks that the Chiefs arent gonna build on last season and would have wasted 2 seasons and two #2's on Alex. Condon is a tough agent.

So good that the Jets signed Vick and are thinking about going QB this year too in later rounds...:hmmm: Id stay as far away from Geno Smith as possible. Just my opinion though.

Yep. But Carr is as dumb as they come. Dude scored a 20 on the Wonderlic and dont know how he even managed that.

Who the **** uses the Wonderlic as a source for picking a winner?

Dan Marino scored a 15.

Peyton Manning scored a 28.

Blaine Gabbert scored a 42.

If he performs well against the schedule we face in 2014, give him big money.

He will have earned it.
Vick was told "this is Genos team"

I agree, let's see what he does this season.

I'd rather have Geno than Alexis

Genius

I'd rather have Alecxih than Alex

You're crazy. Geno is a no go

So Eric Fisher is a bust then.....right?

Eric Fisher was one of the worst first overall picks ever. If they draft a QB he better be good or Dorsey secures a hot seat. Between the terrible contracts given out and drafting Fisher I havent been impressed with the guy.

I feel the 2 are only comparable if Geno was also playing at a different position then was used to, with multiple injuries.

What just a minute.

So, if they don't pay him, they're stupid.

If they pay him like a top 10 QB, they are also stupid?

A bit of a conundrum.

I just think people like to complain.

ROFL Holy ****ing shit. Someone actually typed this.

When is it ever a good idea to trade two 2nds for a rental?

Eric Fisher can do no wrong......gotcha.

huh?

you don't trade 2 seconds for a QB you aren't prepared to pay for...the idea that we have leverage is hilarious, all we have is a sunk cost

Original.

This has never been posted on the Planet. Ever.

What's your point? Are you saying we should ignore the fact that Fisher played a different position and had various injuries?

That's the problem inherent in paying so high of a price for a near 30-year old QB.

The trial period for evaluation isn't long enough, and the money you pay for a new contract is almost always going to be too high.

Are you here to discuss football or bitch about peoples post?

This thread is comedy gold. People are actually talking like there is a chance the Chiefs would spend a first on a QB!ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Do you really think there is one single NFL GM that thinks the Chiefs would take a QB in the first? A single NFL owner? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Did I run over your dog, or do you have a hard-on for Geno? Gay 4 Bray or gtfo.

i feel a hammer repeatedly struck you in the head

the #1 pick in the draft was a worthless, injured piece of shit last year

a QB drafted in the 2nd round won 8 games

ergo, Fisher was the smart, safe play - chiefs fans

Our QBs are Alex Smith (with 1 year left on his deal and negotiations not progressing), Chase Daniel (who is overpaid) and Tyler Bray (an UDFA). Why wouldn't we?

Yeah....let's not draft a QB because we signed an UDFA.

1. The different position garbage is bullshit. Dudes switch sides all the time and make it work better than Fisher did. Hell, look at Donald Stephenson, who has had to play RT or LT at the drop of a hat for the past 2 seasons. He seems to make it work a lot better than Fisher has.

2. You're ignoring that one player is a QB and the other is an offensive lineman. There's a LIIIIIITTLE bit of a difference between the two in terms of difficulty and the success rate among rookies.

We are the Chiefs and we don't spend 1st round picks on QBs, we trade for other teams rejects. We failed at the best QB draft class ever, 1983 and we haven't tried in the 31 years since. It is too risky.

We wouldn't because the Chiefs will never draft a QB in the first round.

We SHOULD, but we won't.

So you would be happier if we spent our first round pick on a QB who only barely has a 50% success rate?

We would be stuck with Geno for a minimum of 3 years too. Because you have to "allow him to develop".

Geno was selected where he was deserving, he's lucky he wasn't a 3rd round pick really.

The QB class sucked last year, get over it. Quit trying to make a diamond out of dried up dog shit.

You are parroting what others have said a 1000 times.

The Fisher pick sucks. Earthshattering.

If a shrink spent any amount of time here, he'd have most of us committed.

Exactly, and it sucks but the proof is in the evidence.

When the **** did I say we shouldn't draft a QB this year?

That's the point. We're running out on Alex's contract. He needs a new one. Apparently Condon is being a stupid whore and wants way too much money. The Chiefs value the futures of Eric Berry, Justin Houston, and Dontari Poe on this team more than they do Alex Smith. And they should. Alex getting a Cutler contract outright prevents us from keeping all three of those players, and it likely will only allow us to keep one, if that.

Geno taking this team to 8-8 would have been the huge improvement we were looking for, and we wouldn't be in this position right now with contract negotiations.

The Chiefs can still come out of this smelling like roses if Alex doesn't take a step back this year and they manage to get him extended for the right price. If they don't, then the problem goes back to the decision to trade for him in the first place, particularly regarding the pricetag that the Niners wanted for him

If we had drafted "he's only half bad 'Geno Smith", would we be able to consider a QB in this year's draft? No go on Geno.

If Alex Smith is asking for a ridiculous deal, let his dumb ass walk.

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

Good.

Didn't Carl Peterson used to at least consider who a player's agent was prior to making a deal?
Everyone knows Condons reputation, especially with the Chiefs.

That's like saying If Nick Wright came back to KC, I am going to smash my radio. Just because he's there doesn't mean there aren't other options available.

Aaron Murray 3rd rd.

Bank on it.

we have as much chance of taking a QB in the 1st as i do becoming a vegetarian.

Appearing on ESPN's*NFL Insiders*Monday, Chris Mortensen called Fresno State QB Derek Carr "a name you hear affiliated" with the Chiefs.

It comes on the heels of NFL Network's report that the Chiefs will consider a quarterback at No. 23. Mort hinted the Chiefs could be eyeing someone like Carr in a trade down, perhaps to the second round. It's possible this is just a leverage play from the Chiefs in the Alex Smith talks, but Andy Reid has often had a second- or third-round quarterback to develop. It would be sensible behind Smith in Kansas City.

Lol, welcome to a 4-12 season in 2015 if this happens.